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All I know about him is that I resent him for not selling the bodyslam to the floor in the insane Fantastics match.

I still think that it makes sense to have Ambrose pick up the winter wins like Mankind did in 98-99.

And it speaks to almost everything we know from any interaction we've ever had/read/etc. with old wrestlers? No one's saying that there aren't other factors to it, just that it's really believable that one chunk of the voting base would vote for him to make themselves feel more credible. It's an argument that comes from somewhere and isn't just raised to be pissy. As for the broader argument, I had no concern at all about the way this poll was going to shake out even before we thought about inviting other people, because there is such difference in what people think here already. Even something like "Kurt Angle sucks" is disagreed by a guy like Bill who falls in line with someone like me on a lot of other things. Honestly, if we open it up more, it all means a lot less to me. I'm not saying the people here are more "qualified" but instead that it at least means something. Even the ones who disagree with others here are part of an ongoing narrative and argument that's lasted for years. You bring in random people who have opinions on wrestling but that haven't gone through this churn and the poll is no longer defined anymore. It becomes about as credible as a CNN poll. I know the voter base here, and even the guys who I disagree with wildly like W2BTD care enough about this to put the thought in. I don't see how opening it up makes it better. Broader, maybe, but it dilutes the meaning because we suddenly no longer know or understand the voter base. The numbers don't mean as much. It becomes "here's what the 150 people at PWO and a bunch of random people on the internet think." It'd be one thing if we were drawing in people to increase our expertise, but instead, we're taking the two years to try to deepen and broaden our own expertise.

Not at all. I'm going to jump around. I want to see some of the Liger you mentioned too and that's in my thirty. The numbering is a combo of ignorance, enthusiasm and importance in filling out my list. I did say a couple of times when it was raised that with my real life and previous project commitments that I probably wouldn't be able to tackle joshi until January. But I do appreciate the primer you are starting and that will be my guide when I do.

We also took a long time and pages and pages of conversations over years to get to our opinions.

Sorry, Charles, but you created a monster. It's the best damn monster on the internet though. There are a hundred places to talk about wrestling. What makes this place special is the extremely high level of discourse, relatively. A lot of that is the scrutiny and people backing up what they say. PWO offers the community way more because of it. You split the wrestling atom and the genie probably isn't going back into the bottle. Sorry. That said, we all like different things and most of us can find interesting ways to interact with each other despite that.

1. Comprehensive look at Flair (he could be my #35 or my #1. We'll see) 2. 70s and 80s Japan 3. Stan Hansen/Terry Funk 4. Europe (incl. England) 5. Joshi 6. Puerto Rico ... ... 15. Shootstyle. ... ... 21. Robert Fuller/Jimmy Golden 22. 00 Indies ... ... 29. Eric Embry 30. 90s and 00s Japan The last one seems more and more like a painful chore everyday.

Does he give his opponent too much too easily?

I like the cage match US title win vs Wahoo too.

Do we know when this was from?

Styles is very high on the list of wrestlers I don't want to actually give a fair shake but that I will anyway for the sake of this.

Check out his stuff vs Abdullah if you haven't already. I really need to watch this tag: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x9RxPjoOj3I I'll be honest in that I haven't watched the long Inoki match either. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1oT-YtmHdI He's someone where we have enough footage to know he is really, really good, but I'm not sure we have enough footage to see him in enough situations. I see matches as learning opportunities, not necessarily notches on the belt. With Robinson, we can learn a ton, but I'm not sure if we can learn all that we have to.

Before this is all said and done, I'm going to break down a lot of Bryan matches. I enjoy him a lot but I think people are giving him passes on things in certain areas that they would never give to other people.

Johnny Sorrow is the Doc Brown of pro wrestling.

I would have absolutely no problem with Robinson ending up on people's top tens. His 1980 match with Bockwinkel is one of my favorite of all time and he has a ton of other good stuff. Of course one thing that came out of the Melzter bio of him recently was the sheer, painful realization of how much of his most classic runs we'll never see.

i still think he has flaws in what I've seen (even in the match below where it's downright crazy that he'd keep using knee-based offense even if his selling is amazing) but he'll definitely make my list. Just watch the performance here.

Yeah, I was going to watch Angle vs Henry but ended up watching this insanely fun Santo trios match from 94 instead. I'll get to it.

I've got something I need to write about him soon but it'll only be tangentially related to this project. I think it will highlight a couple of pros and cons though.

One thing I will say is that I haven't seen the match for a year and a half so i can't say definitively on this one. From what I remember and my write up it definitely bugged me at the time.

Will,you of all people would be the one I'd think would get frustrated when they went to comedy right following the awesome super heated punching that they'd been building to all match began. I wanted another couple of minutes of that instead.

I thought The Mongolian Stomper was some sort of Stampede super draw, no?

Not a lot of time right now, but here's one. http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/18155-dick-murdoch/?view=findpost&p=5530450 It's a match worth watching but it is frustrating

Isn't Angle in because he made a bunch of self-conscious carnies feel more legitimate?

He was in my #s: 8, 10, 15, 19, 25, and 29 AWA matches. For what that's worth.

I have to revisit a lot of Austin from that era. I haven't seen a ton of 98-01 since it first happened and I really wasn't hotwired to appreciate brawls as a teenager.