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I watched a few of these and I am intrigued. Please humor my ignorance. How did it work? Were they calling spots in the ring?
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I would say the bet is kind of null after that finish which didn't really work for either side of the bet. Unless we decide to both accept the punishment, Kenny vs. Spenny style. I'm okay with waiting to see how Raw shapes up tonight and whether they're doing the match again at NOC.
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Basically, whenever you got Blackwell in a cage, great things happened.
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Can we get an official ruling on my bet with goc. Cena won but Brock retained. They're probably going back to the well for Hell in a Cell which sort of stalls the spirit of the bet. I still kind of think that Cena takes it there with a Rollins cash in maybe
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My brother explained this one pretty well. If you wait for Cena or Lesnar to win they will be on rough, but competitive shape, but costing Cena the match when Brock is on the verge of losing is much, much smarter play than waiting for the match to end. Still fucking stupid finish No it wasn't. In no way shape or form was it. Why? 1.) You're cashing in on Brock instead of Cena. No matter what happens Brock will come back and kill you (this will happen). 2.) There's a chance that Cena might take offense because you caused a DQ when he was about to win (this happened).
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I hope we get Brock killing Rollins out of this.
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I did love those really tight AAs.
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Why in the world wouldn't Rollins just wait for the match to end and then cash in on the winner?
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AJ's skipping has somehow begun to start feeling like Groucho Marx stumbling around.
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Yeah, the Paige package was well done.
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Crowd seems way more into this than we are. What the hell was Jericho even going for?
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just catching up now. Re: Sandow selling at what Miz got hit with. When I first saw Aaron Stevens in Chaotic in MA, he'd do that on the floor when his stablemates were getting hit and it was hilarious. Funniest thing I've ever seen live in wrestling maybe. I imagine this wasn't that.
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That Show/Henry backstage segment made me want Show to go Soviet. I'm going to use this match to get the toddler to sleep.
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I need to rewatch that tomorrow. Got caught up in some work I had to do. That corner knee was nuts though. Now I'll have Sting's theme stuck in my head for the rest of the night.
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Do any WWE (past the very top belt) runs end in a climax?
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I may have done a fist pump at that result. May have.
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Greatness is going to be decided by democratic vote. After the vote's over, you can tell me that I was wrong, as it pertains to the quasi-objective results of the poll. In the meantime, however, I don't go around and tell you that your criteria is faulty. I only explain how I feel, because it's my right, and in part because I do think it adds SOMETHING to the discussion and because I feel strongly about it. I honestly appreciate that you go to such lengths to try to understand me. In the meantime, I'll still rank Flair very highly, because he does a number of things well, and because, on a lesser level, he has great matches. I might even rank him #1. I don't know yet. That's why he's my #1 priority. I don't ignore those matches. I try to understand them and see if the reasons they're so highly considered match up with my criteria or not. I try to understand back. I just don't always agree.
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I know personally, I have a lot to watch, but I do plan on being consistent across the board (maybe too much so as Dylan said).
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That's it. A lot of the scrutiny is because these guys are the BEST of the BEST, but at the same time, I think there's a ton to learn from watching any wrestler at any point of his career especially in limited situations.
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Personally, I'm going to absolutely look at Terry Funk when he gets old. I'm going to look at how he understood and modified his act for the Philadelphia Crowd or for the crazy stuff in Japan he was doing at the time and if he as able to continue to have good matches despite and because of that. I'm going to look to see what happened to him when he was in 00 indies and couldn't quite do some of the stuff that allowed for his post-prime career, and I think he had a match with Lawler a couple of years ago and I'm really interested to see what I can learn from that, pro or con. Likewise Ricky Morton. I don't get why people don't think there's something to learn in how a wrestler adapts to not being able to use the same tools that they once did. I just really don't get that. It's not about giving or taking away points, it's about understanding a wrestler and how well they understand their craft and thereby how well they potentially understood it when they were younger and how that understanding shaped every match of their career and how it developed or didn't develop over the years. How is this not interesting to you guys? When I watch wrestlers I look for clues in almost everything they do. How else am I going to figure out whether they're good or not. You look for patterns and how they handle different situations. I get that not everyone does it that way, but there's so much to learn about a wrestler in almost every match. That's what makes a project like this so great. To be fair, when I'm done looking at everything, what I might come up with is that Flair not being able to adapt just paints a new and different light on how well he DID know how to the tools that he had when he was younger. I don't know yet. It's not about penalizing or giving points. It's about figuring things out.
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A lot of this goes back to what I value, and again that is different than what is my favorite, though it does inform it. I value a style were physical tools aren't the most important and so long as I am honest and open and consistent about this, then I don't see what the problem is if I use the tools that I have available to make the decisions I need to make.
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And I opened up the idea above that maybe I do need to look up Flair inconsistently than other wrestlers due to his delusions and other mitigating causes.
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I don't want him to be consistent. I want him to be a good enough pro wrestler to I understand that he needs to adapt and then be able to do it, especially when comparing him to other wrestlers that did just that.
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It's about getting data points for evidence. You use them to plot a map of a wrestler. It's better to have them scattered throughout the career. With Bock basically all we have is his late career. It's not better for Lawler if he retired in 95. It might have been better for Flair. That's the whole point. Figuring out how or why and what it means. You figure out ability through body of work and more diverse primary sources you have in type and role and situation, the easier it is to work this out. I think you learn something from a wrestler's ability to adapt to different situations, including the loss of physical gifts.
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Not a figure skating watcher, I see. Who has time for that? Do you have any idea how many Jumbo matches i need to watch?