Matt D
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That's fine and understandable. I tend to see wrestling as symbolic. I get that some people don't, but I think the level that Regal was talking about, in as how a wristlock is administered, is something most of us don't worry about too much. We just breeze past it, though if it's done particularly well, we'll probably notice.
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The drawing aspect isn't so surprising to me, that and legit toughness (Haku, Rude) or general outside success (Rock, Ventura) or what sort of legitimacy they can bring wrestling (Angle, Brock), or how good they were to you when you were coming up (Wahoo for Manny, for instance). That said, I do think we've seen far more of wrestlers talking about the art of pro wrestling and actually working in the ring over the last couple of years, which is something that really wasn't even there a lot in the shoot interviews of the 00s, so it lets us look at how things are viewed slightly differently. Some of that is because it's wrestlers interviewing each other now.
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No one seems to give Cena crap for that. Austin rags on him for the STF though, which is funny.
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And vice versa. I was listening to the Austin Podcast with Regal and he talked a lot about what he liked in wrestling and it got me thinking especially since Regal always champions a number of Indy jerks that I wouldn't want to watch if you paid me. A few notes: - Steamboat/Savage. Austin brought it up and Regal said he liked it right until he spoke to Steamboat and then they sort of moved on without going into detail but it has to be the script right? - Cardio. One thing that Regal brought up was how much Flair's cardio mattered to him. This is one reason that I've heard Flair, in the past, praise Brody. - Energy/Effort: He said at one point that he'd like any match where they were really trying hard. - Technique: Putting on a wristlock the correct way was a big deal to him. - Believability: This comes from his carny background. I'm just curious what people think about this. We've all heard a ton of interviews with wrestlers by now. I can't think of many things less important to me than cardio. To me, knowing your limits and working smartly within them is far more important than having incredible limits.
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The best stuff ever attached to the name ECW was Christian, WWE TV Champ.
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After seeing the intensity that Breeze has been showing lately in NXT, I'd be a little worried if I was Ziggler. The guy should definitely bring the sleeper back. If the Gagnes could use it as faces, so could he.
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Didn't get a chance to watch tonight but how was the goldust/stardust heeling?
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Tony doesn't strike me as a brave man, but he's a guy I sort of like. I could see another season of Fargo with him in the Martin Freeman role.
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He'd make shitty matches entertaining by being Gorilla Monsoon, not necessarily by calling them shitty.
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It was interesting that he all but said on Austin's show last week that when looking to redefine himself after KOTR, he didn't want to be another babyface Austin clone because there were a bunch of those popping up. Instead, he wanted to sort of work the nerds since they were a big part of the crowd. He said ti a little nicer than that, but not much so. -
Some of the restrictions that Batista talked about on the Jerciho podcast was interesting. I didn't realize they couldn't push the ref into the ropes to crotch an opponent on the top or really even do any nut shots at all.
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PN News would have been a success if he had Oscar.
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I have no use for Frenchy Martin or Coach. I'd take Fuji over Johnny V too. Whippleman was never very effective either. I think he took away from his guys more than helping them generally. Lord Littlebrook managing Morgan and Victory was awesome though.
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I know when I was younger, I was excited to see just even who was going to come out next, because I didn't know. What match were they going to put on next? I had to know, just like how I'd stay up half an hour later than I should to see the smackdown spoilers on Tuesday nights when they were on the west coast. I imagine there's an element of that. I'd almost put it more to a sports Draft, than the sport itself.
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Pro wrestling history has 3,500 as the attendance. That looks to be about the same they got for their best show in 93 which was the Luger vs Yoko and heel Vince at ringside for Lawler vs Neighbors show.
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Kayfabe wise, Fuji is the only guy out of the WWF managers of the post Three Wise Men era (the 80s boom into the early 90s basically) to actually manage the world champion over any meaningful period of time (With the possible exception of Hart with Hogan but come on). That trumps a lot. Even with a few stupid decisions. Smart-wise, I think he was fairly effective at ringside and had a definitely more menacing and dangerous presence than any of his peers except for maybe Sherri and frankly, a lot of his promos got the job they were supposed to do done. He wasn't supposed to be Bobby Heenan. Not great but not deserving of the award.
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Personally, my issue isn't that Monsoon is a great announcer so much as that he doesn't deserve years of WON Worst Announcer Awards. I'll defend Mr. Fuji as a manager too, not in that he is great or anything but that he wasn't nearly as bad as he was made out to be with those awards.
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While I realize that Monsoon isn't great in "Good matches," or at least I think that, I wonder how he is in BIG matches. I might have to revisit it.
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Someone should rephrase all this and tweet it to Tony Schiavone. I just read that Expos book over at DVDVR and I kind of wonder if the announcers aren't there to provide the franchise with more money in various ways, that being one of it.
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I think there are plenty of baseball announcers who don't make the players look good, but instead knock them or are entertaining personalities in general. When you have to fill time for a nine inning baseball game, you have to keep people engaged that way. It's sort of the same for a long MSG show from 85.
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I think that's an oversimplistic way of looking at things. Different roles can be used in different ways to achieve different ends. At the end of the day, the goal is to make money over a prolonged period of time. How you add up to that can be done in different ways. The WWF machine was so pervasive and there was so little room for divergence, even down to the months and months that they ran the same house shows, that if people tuned into PTW for Gorilla/Heenan shitting on things, then that's more money for the WWF and with relatively little damage since they weren't doing any lasting harm to much of the core audience. Or at least that's an argument, and I think a valid one.
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The story goes that Buddy Rose didn't either, having hugely entertaining matches on TV where he gave the enhancement talent way too much so the crowd in MSG didn't see him as a threat to Backlund.
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The DVR-less nature is this: Raw, like sports, is live. If you miss it, then you're immediately behind in what's going on and the story doesn't seem as fresh. When you're watching it in that moment, you're part of something that's happening right then and there. I'm not explaining it well, but being live matters and it matters to this DVR issue.
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It's interesting that Heyman on the Austin podcast said that he was so interested in where the John Cena character goes next at NOC because the answer is "no where" or at least not for more than a night. He makes it all into a fun narrative though. "He said he wanted not to beat Brock but to beat his ass." "He has to go the places he refused to go vs Bray Wyatt at Wrestlemania." I think a talented wrestling personality has the ability to take all of the hasty bits of bullshit and to make some sort of narrative out of them.
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Hogan's weakness was coveting the wife of another.