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“Suddenly, I hear Vince say ‘IT’S NOT A FUCKING RING, IT’S A PHYSICALITY AREA!’ Awesome. This is really good stuff. -
After a long break, I blew through June in less than a week. 1. Genichiro Tenryu vs. Shinya Hashimoto (WAR 6/17/93) 2. Mitsuharu Misawa & Kenta Kobashi vs. Toshiaki Kawada & Akira Taue (AJ 6/1/93) 3. Bret Hart vs. Mr. Perfect (KOR 6/13/93) 4. Riki Choshu, Shinya Hashimoto, Tatsumi Fujinami, Masa Chono & Hiroshi Hase vs. Genichiro Tenryu, Ashura Hara, Takashi Ishikawa, Tatsu Goto & Strong Machine (Elimination Match) (WAR vs. NJ 6/15/93) 5. Barry Windham vs. 2 Cold Scorpio (Clash 6/16/93) 6. Marty Jannetty vs. Doink the Clown (2/3 Falls) (RAW 6/21/93) 7. Hiroshi Hase vs. Samson Fuyuki (WAR 6/17/93) 8. Yoshiaki Fujiwara v. Osamu Kido (NJ 6/14/93) 9. Mitsuharu Misawa, Kenta Kobashi & Tsuyoshi Kikuchi vs. Toshiaki Kawada, Akira Taue & Yoshinari Ogawa (AJ 6/3/93) 10. Yoshiaki Fujiwara vs. Joe Malenko (PWFG 6/1/93) 11. Bret Hart vs. Bam Bam Bigelow (KOR 6/13/93) 12. Ric Flair & Arn Anderson vs. Steve Austin & Brian Pillman (2/3 Falls) (Clash 6/16/93) 13. Jerry Flynn vs. Diuseul Berto (PWFG 6/1/93) 14. Terry Funk vs. Eddie Gilbert (Chain Match) (ECW 6/19/93) 15. El Samurai vs. Wild Pegasus (NJ 6/14/93) 16. Bret Hart vs. Razor Ramon (KOR 6/13/93) 17. Razor Ramon vs. 1-2-3 Kid ($10,000 Challenge) (RAW 6/21/93) 18. The Great Muta vs. The Great Kabuki (NJ 6/15/93) 19. Lightning Kid vs. Eddie Guerrero (NJ 6/5/93) 20. Akira Hokuto & Kyoko Inoue vs. Bull Nakano & Aja Kong (AJW vs. JWP 6/3/93) Another really strong month. The All Japan six-man being 9th seems low, but I honestly thought it was great...I just liked everything above it even more. Tenryu/Hashimoto was pretty much everything I wanted it to be and I'm now even more psyched for the rematch in New Japan. How many guys in wrestling history can pull of "epic heavyweight slugfest" as well as those two? Choshu, Kawada...Takayama? Just an amazing pay off to all of the abuse they've been hurling at each other in tags leading up to it. Bret/Perfect, Barry/Scorp and Marty/Doink were all really great and all feel like potential top 10 US matches of the year. I think Bret/Perfect is a definite step down from Vader/Sting, but right now it's probably my #2 match from the States. I watched Doink/Marty last year and liked it then, but I enjoyed it way more this time. The Horsemen/Blonds tag from the Clash is a match I love, but it's almost entirely for the atmosphere. I watched it months ago and thought it was a legit great match, but this time what they were actually doing in the ring didn't blow me away at all. I get a huge kick out of Flair in the first fall, but nothing else (in terms of "work") is terribly special. Need to re-watch a few things, like Benoit/Samurai and Funk/Gilbert. New Japan juniors stuff isn't my cup of tea anymore, but I wasn't paying a great deal of attention to Benoit/Samurai in the first place and it's been too long since I last saw it to go off memory. Muta/Kabuki wasn't a great match by any means, but I enjoyed it WAY more than I thought I would. Basically shtick the entire time, but my looooow expectations probably helped it big time.
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Lawler's promo here was just...holy shit it was great. The Whopper line, especially. Might be the best Lawler promo ever. The way he manages to come across as such a scumbag weasel in the WWF yet still come across as a guy that's totally in the right in Memphis is seriously amazing.
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First 20-25 minutes of this has some of the best stuff on the entire yearbook so far and a good example of why these matches can be a shit ton of fun. Everything Tenryu and Hashimoto do together is just outstanding. I'm about to watch their first singles match and I am ridiculously hyped for it. Then...I wouldn't say the match nosedived after the Tenryu elimination (which was really well done), but when arguably the best guy in the match, who is also the unquestionable "ace" of his team and practically the only viable threat, goes down halfway into it, the second half is going to lose something. What they did after the Tenryu elimination was all good stuff (agreed especially with Loss on Fujinami), but the match is basically cut off at the nuts in terms of drama. Tremendous first half, big step down in the second half...still a Hell of a match, but didn't get the chance to reach transcendent territory like it had the potential to.
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I've always really liked this show, too. 'colourful' setting fits pretty well, I think. Good match. I don't remember much of anything about their Rumble match, but I can't imagine it being much, if at all, better than this. That small package nearfall was great and totally had me biting. And yeah, the crowd chanting "1-2-3" to get under Razor's skin is really cool.
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I agree with Loss; Bob has been ruling it huge on this set. He drops another awesome interview here, maybe the best one he's done the whole year (although I'm partial to the one where he calls Cornette a piece of Scandinavian snake feces, which makes absolutely no sense but is amazing regardless). Whole segment was really good.
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Was this on Will's Eddy set? Because Eddy's dive was fucking nuts and something I figured I would've remembered. Kid kicking Eddy low seemed really out of place. Eddy was pretty clearly working heel, but it never even felt like a "taste of your own medicine" spot...just really weird and out of left field.
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Yeah, this was awful. It's as if they're TRYING to make it as bad as possible for the sake of being funny...but I don't know if they are.
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Kawada's grumpiness is beautiful. Just belligerent as all fuck and won't take shit from anyone. If it wasn't for Tenryu and Hansen he's be my runaway WOTY at this point. I actually thought this was the July match and I had just gotten dates mixed up, so it's cool that there's another 6-man about as good as the July one (which I haven't seen in years)...because this was REALLY good.
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I liked this a lot. Really felt like two guys on the mat just poking and prodding to see if there's a weakness worth exploiting. There's moments where they'll both have a hold of a wrist or ankle and start twisting to see who releases or forces the break first. Fujiwara sprawling out with his head resting on his elbow while he has Malenko in a kneebar was also great, and a Fujiwara spot I always love.
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Yeah, this was great stuff. This is the first iteration of this match-up I've watched in about 5 years, so it's pretty cool to sort of "start at the beginning" again. How is this generally thought of in comparison to the other matches these teams had together? 6/9/95, the '93 tag league final and 5/94 are the three that stand out as the best matches the series produced...is this one closest to those? I don't know if I'd actually seen this before. Shit, I don't even remember any of their other matches (minus the ones mentioned, obviously) at this point.
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Dylan (or anybody else that's watched this stuff) what would you say is the best Rose/Adonis singles match? I watched the 9/1/79 match last night, and while it was good, it felt like it was setting up something that could be awesome. They ran a great post-match bit where someone (a fan...whether they were a plant or not, I really don't know) throws a pen at Buddy, so Buddy uses it to stab Adonis in the eye. Which I loved considering the match ended with a Rip Rogers run in after Buddy and Adonis were trying to tear each others' eyes out. The rematch appears to get plenty of time and that's next on the disc, so I'll probably watch that later.
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Yeah, I'll definitely have to check that out. Although I no doubt said the same when I first heard about it and, well, here we are...
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Tentatively, I'd say top 5. Behind Steamboat and Tito...and I'm not sure I'd have anybody else ahead of him. I love the Flair match from Wrestlemania 8, but I don't think Flair was ever as good an opponent for him as Jerry (although Flair is probably top 5 as well). Warrior and Hogan are both good shouts, and I like the Warrior match from Wrestlemania 7 more than any Savage match ever bar the Steamboat match from Wrestlemania 3 (and maybe the 4/86 MSG match opposite Santana), but I don't know, I think I'd still take Jerry over Warrior as an overall opponent. And I wasn't even a big fan of the LLT match against Lawler that finished high on the Memphis poll. I imagine I'll like it more whenever I get around to re-watching it, so that'll probably solidify his spot in the top 5. Somewhere between #3-#5.
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Yeah, I agree with that. There's a handful of Tito/Savage matches on Corey's Savage set that all had a lot of the same positives as the 4/86 MSG match, but none of them hit the same high notes. The regular singles matches before the feud really kicked into gear obviously weren't trying to hit those same notes anyway, but there's at least one more no holds barred match (pretty sure it's from Boston...possibly one from Philly as well) that had plenty of "good stuff" in it. Just lacked what made the MSG match really top tier (although fuck if I remember what that was now...been about 3 years since I watched them). I remember the non-stip matches all being decent to good as well. They all sort of blend together in my head now, though. EDIT: Wasn't there another Savage/Tito match from Toronto that popped up on dailymotion not long ago that is supposedly really good? Or is that another Savage/Steamboat match? Which in fairness would also be really interesting.
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Yeah, this is fucking great. It's been a while since I watched it, but some of the stuff you mentioned rings a bell. I really like the dog collar match with Brooks that this sets up, and unless you've already talked about it and I've missed it, I'd be interested in hearing what you think/thought of that. Isn't necessarily a "great match," but I remember them doing a bunch of cool shit I hadn't seen in any other dog collar match (or strap match or bullrope match or whatever other match where the participants are tied/chained together). I really need to pick up where I left off with Will's Buddy set however many months ago.
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I actually forgot about both guys' need to meticulously plan everything beforehand. The cool thing about that is the fact those matches came off as being as loony and uncooperative as anything I recall seeing from them anywhere else (at least I think they did...my memory might be off).
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I really love Tito as a Savage opponent (the April '88 No Holds Barred Match from MSG is really excellent), but Steamboat feels like a clear #1 Savage opponent. I used to be pretty down on their WWF feud, but I went through it all again a couple years ago and came out of it with a totally different opinion. The Wrestlemania match felt like a contender for top 5 in company history, the Toronto lead-in was as good as I remembered (that was the one match from the feud I thought was "great"), and the surrounding matches were all generally at least "good." I don't think Savage/Tito ever had a match as good as Savage/Steamer from Wrestlemania, but I do think the 4/88 Savage/Tito match from MSG is right there with anything else Savage and Steamboat did together. I'm with the people putting Page in a top 5 for Savage opponents, too. I watched the three PPV matches from '97 months ago and thought they were all a total blast. My stock in Page has went up huge over the last year, and the Savage series is a big reason why.
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That Hogan video is so fucking great. I travelled down to Newcastle for a house show in '06, and JBL was amazing at getting the crowd to lose it there. I don't recall everything he said, but he came out wearing a jacket that was basically the US flag and tore into Britain. He started rolling around the mat laughing shouting "YOU WORSHIP A QUEEN!" Some lady got really pissed, and he just zeroed in on her. Called her an old bitch and insulted her daughter (at least I think it was her daughter...as did he), who was about 5 years old. Don't remember if the kid started crying or not, but I'm pretty sure that was his goal.
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[1992-11-21-WCW-Saturday Night] Big Van Vader vs Dustin Rhodes
KB8 replied to Loss's topic in November 1992
Oh, well yeah...that was pretty fuckin' nasty. -
[1992-11-21-WCW-Saturday Night] Big Van Vader vs Dustin Rhodes
KB8 replied to Loss's topic in November 1992
Haven't got to the Vader/Cactus match from Halloween Havoc on the '93 yearbook yet, but other than the brutality of the 4/17 Saturday Night match, I honestly don't recall Foley going any more overboard on the stupid bumps/self-harming with Vader than he did with Sting or Orndorff or the Nasty Boys. The powerbomb on exposed concrete after the Saturday Night rematch was obviously a pretty stupid bump, but I think MJH mentioned Kobashi's against Hansen later in the as a comparison. Doesn't make it any less stupid just because someone else did something equally daft, but on the list of retarded Foley bumps, is that one really up near the top (again, still doesn't make it any less silly and unnecessary)? Of course this is all pretty irrelevant, since even with all of that said I don't think the best Vader/Foley match is as good as the third best Vader/Sting match. -
I liked this more than you, it seems. Right now I'd have it in my top 5 WCW matches of the year. This is what I said about it when I watched it earlier this year:
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Yeah, I agree with this. I had written on another board a while back that I thought Windham was just about the most natural looking pro-wrestler I'd ever seen, and the next time I watch a bunch of Windham matches I doubt I'll change my mind.