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  1. KB8
    Yeah, I agree with that. There's a handful of Tito/Savage matches on Corey's Savage set that all had a lot of the same positives as the 4/86 MSG match, but none of them hit the same high notes. The regular singles matches before the feud really kicked into gear obviously weren't trying to hit those same notes anyway, but there's at least one more no holds barred match (pretty sure it's from Boston...possibly one from Philly as well) that had plenty of "good stuff" in it. Just lacked what made the MSG match really top tier (although fuck if I remember what that was now...been about 3 years since I watched them). I remember the non-stip matches all being decent to good as well. They all sort of blend together in my head now, though. EDIT: Wasn't there another Savage/Tito match from Toronto that popped up on dailymotion not long ago that is supposedly really good? Or is that another Savage/Steamboat match? Which in fairness would also be really interesting.
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    Yeah, this is fucking great. It's been a while since I watched it, but some of the stuff you mentioned rings a bell. I really like the dog collar match with Brooks that this sets up, and unless you've already talked about it and I've missed it, I'd be interested in hearing what you think/thought of that. Isn't necessarily a "great match," but I remember them doing a bunch of cool shit I hadn't seen in any other dog collar match (or strap match or bullrope match or whatever other match where the participants are tied/chained together). I really need to pick up where I left off with Will's Buddy set however many months ago.
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    I actually forgot about both guys' need to meticulously plan everything beforehand. The cool thing about that is the fact those matches came off as being as loony and uncooperative as anything I recall seeing from them anywhere else (at least I think they did...my memory might be off).
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    I really love Tito as a Savage opponent (the April '88 No Holds Barred Match from MSG is really excellent), but Steamboat feels like a clear #1 Savage opponent. I used to be pretty down on their WWF feud, but I went through it all again a couple years ago and came out of it with a totally different opinion. The Wrestlemania match felt like a contender for top 5 in company history, the Toronto lead-in was as good as I remembered (that was the one match from the feud I thought was "great"), and the surrounding matches were all generally at least "good." I don't think Savage/Tito ever had a match as good as Savage/Steamer from Wrestlemania, but I do think the 4/88 Savage/Tito match from MSG is right there with anything else Savage and Steamboat did together. I'm with the people putting Page in a top 5 for Savage opponents, too. I watched the three PPV matches from '97 months ago and thought they were all a total blast. My stock in Page has went up huge over the last year, and the Savage series is a big reason why.
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    Best fan insults

    KB8 replied to Loss's topic in Pro Wrestling

    That Hogan video is so fucking great. I travelled down to Newcastle for a house show in '06, and JBL was amazing at getting the crowd to lose it there. I don't recall everything he said, but he came out wearing a jacket that was basically the US flag and tore into Britain. He started rolling around the mat laughing shouting "YOU WORSHIP A QUEEN!" Some lady got really pissed, and he just zeroed in on her. Called her an old bitch and insulted her daughter (at least I think it was her daughter...as did he), who was about 5 years old. Don't remember if the kid started crying or not, but I'm pretty sure that was his goal.
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    Oh, well yeah...that was pretty fuckin' nasty.
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    Haven't got to the Vader/Cactus match from Halloween Havoc on the '93 yearbook yet, but other than the brutality of the 4/17 Saturday Night match, I honestly don't recall Foley going any more overboard on the stupid bumps/self-harming with Vader than he did with Sting or Orndorff or the Nasty Boys. The powerbomb on exposed concrete after the Saturday Night rematch was obviously a pretty stupid bump, but I think MJH mentioned Kobashi's against Hansen later in the as a comparison. Doesn't make it any less stupid just because someone else did something equally daft, but on the list of retarded Foley bumps, is that one really up near the top (again, still doesn't make it any less silly and unnecessary)? Of course this is all pretty irrelevant, since even with all of that said I don't think the best Vader/Foley match is as good as the third best Vader/Sting match.
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    I liked this more than you, it seems. Right now I'd have it in my top 5 WCW matches of the year. This is what I said about it when I watched it earlier this year:
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    Yeah, I agree with this. I had written on another board a while back that I thought Windham was just about the most natural looking pro-wrestler I'd ever seen, and the next time I watch a bunch of Windham matches I doubt I'll change my mind.
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    Black Terry instantly comes to mind. Tenryu and Navarro were still pretty great at that age (Navarro still is). Fujiwara was over 45 when he had that Murdoch match in '96, wasn't he? And then a bunch of good stuff after that.
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    I'm a pretty big fan of this.
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    Matches of the Month

    KB8 replied to Loss's topic in 1993

    May: 1. Tatsumi Fujinami & Shinya Hashimoto vs. Genichiro Tenryu & Takashi Ishikawa (WAR 5/24/93) 2. Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Stan Hansen (AJ 5/21/93) 3. Hollywood Blonds vs. Marcus Bagwell & 2 Cold Scorpio (WWW 5/8/93) 4. Naoki Sano vs. Kiyoshi Tamura (UWFI 5/6/93) 5. Terry Gordy vs. Kenta Kobashi (AJ 5/29/93) 6. Akira Hokuto vs. Toshiyo Yamada (AJW 5/3/93) 7. Toshiaki Kawada & Akira Taue vs. Kenta Kobashi & Tsuyoshi Kikuchi (AJ 5/14/93) 8. Mr. Perfect vs. Doink (RAW 5/24/93) 9. Brian Christopher vs. Jeff Jarrett (Hair vs. Title) (USWA 5/1/93) 10. Yoshiaki Fujiwara vs. Hiroshi Hase (NJ 5/3/93) 11. Terry Funk vs. Atsushi Onita (No Rope Explosive Barbed Wire Time Bomb Death Match) (FMW 5/5/93) 12. Chris Benoit & Bobby Eaton vs. Marcus Bagwell & 2 Cold Scorpio (Slamboree 5/23/93) 13. Tatsuo Nakano vs. Vader (UWFI 5/6/93) 14. Vader vs. Davey Boy Smith (WCW Slamboree 5/23/93) 15. Ciclon Ramirez vs. Felino (AAA 5/21/93) 16. El Hijo Del Santo vs. Heavy Metal (AAA 5/14/93) 17. Megumi Kudo & Combat Toyota vs. Manami Toyota & Toshiyo Yamada (FMW 5/5/93) 18. Shawn Michaels vs. Marty Jannetty (RAW 5/17/93) 19. Toshiaki Kawada & Akira Taue vs. Terry Gordy & Steve Williams (AJ 5/20/93) 20. Shawn Michaels vs. Mr. Perfect (Providence 5/2/93) 21. Sting vs. Scott Norton (NJ 5/3/93) 22. Hulk Hogan vs. Great Muta (NJ 5/3/93) Fuck, what an amazing month. I almost feel bad putting Jarrett v Christopher at #9, but there was so much good stuff that month. Hansen/Misawa and the NJ/WAR tag are pretty much interchangeable at the top, but I went with the WAR tag by a hair. The WAR/NJ feud is seriously becoming one of my favourite "things" in wrestling history and more or less every match it produces is interesting to me on some level. I'm big time hyped for the Tenryu/Hashimoto singles matches because any time they pair off in tags it rules. Tenryu punting Hash in the eye to break up a pin and Hash responding by walking over to him and blasting him with an enziguiri, then Tenryu's subsequent AWESOME KO sell, might honestly be my favourite moment/spot on the entire yearbook so far. I'll be shocked if the Worldwide tag from the 8th doesn't land in my top 5 US matches of the year at the end. Right now I've only got it behind Sting/Vader, and unless something comes out of the blue, I can't see it not finishing as my #1 US tag, at least. I don't really like AAA in general, but I'm gonna watch Santo/Metal again at some point. I recall a few nifty spots, but nothing else about it is jumping to mind. This was probably my favourite month overall so far, even though I can't see any one match landing in my top 10 at the end.
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    Matches of the Month

    KB8 replied to Loss's topic in 1996

    January: 1. Shinjiro Ohtani vs. El Samurai (NJ 1/21/96) 2. Manami Toyota vs. Yumiko Hotta (AJW 1/22/96) 3. Vader vs. Antonio Inoki (NJ 1/4/96) 4. PG-13 vs. Tracy Smothers & Jesse James Armstrong (USWA 1/20/96) 5. Shinya Hashimoto vs. Kazuo Yamazaki (NJ 1/4/96) 6. Aja Kong vs. Combat Toyota (FMW 1/10/96) 7. Hayabusa, Masato Tanaka & Koji Nakagawa vs. W*ING Kanemura, Mitsuhiro Matsunaga & Hidoh (Barbed Wire Spider Net Double Hell Glass Death Match) (FMW 1/10/96) 8. Hulk Hogan & Randy Savage vs. Ric Flair & Arn Anderson (Nitro 1/8/96) 9. Ric Flair vs. Sting (Nitro 1/15/96) 10. Sabu vs. Stevie Richards (ECW 1/5/96) 11. Rey Mysterio Jr vs. Juventud Guerrera (Cage Match) (AAA 1/31/96) 12. Psicosis vs. Ultraman (AAA 1/18/96) 13. Ric Flair vs. Hulk Hogan (Nitro 1/29/96) 14. Jerry Lawler vs. Tommy Rich (USWA 1/13/96) 15. JC Ice vs. Tracy Smothers (USWA 1/27/96) 16. Sting & Lex Luger vs. Harlem Heat (Nitro 1/22/96) 17. Juventud Guerrera & Psicosis vs. Volador & El Mexicano (AAA 1/12/96) 18. Smoking Gunns vs. Psycho Sid & 1-2-3 Kid vs. Razor Ramon & Savio Vega vs. Owen Hart & Yokozuna (RAW Bowl) (RAW 1/1/96) 19. Vader vs. Savio Vega (RAW 1/22/96) 20. Brian Pillman vs. Eddy Guerrero (Clash 1/23/96) 21. Public Enemy vs. The Gangstas (Public Enemy Farewell) (ECW 1/5/96) 22. Tommy Rich & Eddie Gilbert vs. PG-13 (USWA 1/6/96) 23. Randy Savage vs. Ric Flair (Nitro 1/22/96) 24. Ric Flair vs. Hulk Hogan (Nitro 1/1/96) 25. Koji Kanemoto vs. Jushin Liger (NJ 1/4/96) Some of the stuff down towards the bottom has pretty much vanished from my memory (Liger/Koji seems really low, but that's a match that I've never much liked and it stands out more for that reason as opposed to being "worse" than something like Savage/Flair), but I really liked everything in the top 13 for one reason or another. The Psicosis/Ultraman match is a train wreck, but Psicosis was doing so much crazy shit that I couldn't not enjoy it on some level. If I'm able to whip up a top 100 like Loss did at the end, I imagine Ohtani/Sammy will be somewhere around the top 20.
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    This genuinely made me laugh for, like, 5 minutes.
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    This was great stuff, and more reason why this feud rules the fucking earth. Doesn't have the violence of the 4/2 tag with Choshu in Fujinami's place - although this is WAR so the violence is still there - but the interesting sub-story of Fujinami's arm was a really cool addition. Ishikawa just punching him in the arm to break the dragon sleeper was a great spot, and Fujinami going back to it and reapplying it with the OTHER arm rocked as well. Still, this is all about Tenryu and Hashimoto and I am ridiculously excited about the singles matches coming up. These guys having a fucking STARE DOWN is better than most stuff these days; just the best contemptuous facial expressions imaginable. Tenryu kneeing Hash in the back of the head as he's hitting the ropes was an awesome spot. Tenryu's AMAZING KO sell of a Hashimoto kick a little later, just going dead weight in the corner and hitting every turnbuckle on the way down, was even better. Ishikawa puts Fujinami in a Scorpion Deathlock so Hashimoto comes in and threatens to rip his head off. This annoys Tenryu so he flies across the ring and lariats Hash so hard he hurls himself out to the floor. And then both guys start chucking chairs at each other while the partners take it home in the ring. Loss, where would you put Tenryu on a WOTY list for '93? I recall you saying you were going to come up with a top something or other wrestlers of '93 in one of the match threads, and since you've watched the whole set I can't think of anybody better to ask. At this point I can't see him not winding up in my own top 3 at the end (right now he's my #1).
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    That finish was INSANE. Scorpio lands with his ENTIRE body weight flush on Benoit's face/head. Just fucking ridiculous. Match itself is really good, but yeah, that finish...
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    "piece of Scandinavian snake feces" might be the best insult ever.
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    Is this the 30 minute draw? If so, I watched this earlier in the year and thought it was really good, if a little "down-timey" at points. I recall some Anjoh prickyness which is always good times.
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    Some of this was like FUTEN with lady parts; just harrowing violence. Toyota's one of the more polarizing wrestlers you'll come across. I don't really have much of an opinion on her either way, but she isn't afraid to take a complete ass stomping and she takes a fucking ASS STOMPING here. Even on offense she takes some reckless bumps, including a missile dropkick to the floor where she lands right on her tailbone. There's been a lot of talk in the '93 Yearbook section about how Hotta either chose not to pull any strikes or simply wasn't good enough to know how (among other things), and well, she REALLY lays in the kicks here, full on straight in the face. She also rifles off a knee right to Toyota's nose that looked disgusting and throws some headbutts that sounds like someone knocked two bowling balls together. Whole match is basically built around Hotta throwing the nastiest, stiffest strikes possible and Toyota not just trying to survive them, but give back as good as she gets. Final few minutes are really weird, to the point where I wouldn't be surprised if Hotta legit rung Toyota's bell with any number of those strikes. Hotta goes for a powerbomb and Toyota kind of slips down her back and crumples in a heap. So Hotta kicks her in the face a bunch more. She goes for another powerbomb and the exact same thing happens, so she kicks her in the face some more. Then she tries a wheel kick and completely misses, so she gets up and naturally kicks Toyota in the face again. The third time she goes for the powerbomb Toyota manages to successfully stay upright when she slips out of it, but she looks really groggy and just sort of grabs Hotta and slowly and awkwardly turns her into position for a powerbomb of her own. Thought this was really good, but that ending hurts it. That was some pimp shit.
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    Man, how many dudes' wives does Savage have accompany him to the ring? Nancy (although I'm not sure she was actually married at this point), Debra McMichael, Linda Hogan (I'm 99% sure that was her at the front)...I like to believe the others were married as well. Match itself is pretty fun. And Hogan really comes across as a douche before and after it. It's honestly a level of douchebaggery that seems deliberate. I know it's not, but I just can't see why they'd think this wouldn't make him look like a pain in the ass.
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    I actually haven't seen this before, but I'm REALLY looking forward to watching it whenever I pick this up. By the sounds of it this is the kind of thing that might propel Rude ahead of the pack if one is trying to pick the best US wrestler of the year (which would obviously mean not limiting that to only performances *in* the US).
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    I didn't like this as much as Loss, but my own personal God of lucha totally ruled it as Metal's second. I fucking love Fuerza.
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    Between the All Japan 80s set and this yearbook, I'm beginning to think Hansen is the best ever. Thought the first third was fine, but then Misawa tries to drag Hansen into the ring and Hansen just goes to town on his arm, and from there it gets awesome. I don't know if there's anybody I'd rather watch lay a beating on someone than Hansen -- everything he does just looks super nasty. At one point he grabs hold of a monitor and some guy in a suit refuses to give it up and I am SHOCKED Hansen didn't turn round and punch him in the mouth. Thought Misawa's selling was totally on point as well, throwing elbows because they're a huge weapon even though he's not doing himself any favours in the process. There's one moment where he throws one in the corner and then instantly clutches the arm, and there's a clear "oh shit" reaction from the crowd. It's like showing any sign of weakness against Stan Hansen is as good as losing already. Misawa going to the facelock, both to wear Hansen down as well as to buy himself some time to recover, was a cool touch, and man did that last elbow look suitably teeth-loosening. Thought this was a definite step down from the 2/28 Hansen/Kawada match, but it's still a Hell of a contest and a good indication of the level these guys were at in '93.
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    Other 1993 worth watching

    KB8 replied to Loss's topic in 1993

    Watched the Jerry Estrada/Lizmark title match from AAA (6/18/93) again last night and it's excellent. OJ did a great write-up of it for his blog and it's definitely something worth adding to a supplemental set. It's probably a top 10 match of the year for me, actually.
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