1998 Recommendations

[Tim Cooke]

RINGS

 

Kiyoshi Tamura vs. Mikhail Ilyukhin (01/21/98 - Mega Battle Final)

Kiyoshi Tamura vs. Valentijn Overeem (04/16/98 - shoot, but short and exciting and the reason they had to get the title off of Tamura since he lost this one)

Tsuyoshi Kosaka vs. Volk Han (05/29/98 - final match between these two)

Kiyoshi Tamura vs. Bitsadze Tariel (05/29/98 - Tamura loses title due to his real loss in April)

Kiyoshi Tamura vs. Tsuyoshi Kohsaka (06/27/98 - best RINGS match ever? Best shoot style match ever?)

Kiyoshi Tamura vs. Wataru Sakata (07/20/98 - short but very good. Stylistically where RINGS could have continued with realistic works)

Yoshihisa Yamamoto vs. Akira Maeda (07/20/98 - Retirement Match #1)

Christopher Haseman vs. Wataru Sakata (09/21/98)

Kiyoshi Tamura vs. Yoshihisa Yamamoto (09/21/98 - good match, especially as an intro to their 1999 classic)

[Loss]

I've already done some of this in this thread, but I thought I would start posting what we have now as the full list for each of the Japanese and lucha promotions, if anyone has anything that should be added, removed or otherwise reconsidered. I'm even going to repeat the ones we have already listed just to make sure there are no mistakes or oversights on my part.

 

For New Japan and All Japan, I also want to make sure we're using the best source for each match.

 

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I'll start with Big Japan:

 

Gedo & Jado vs Yoshihiro Taijiri & Ryuji Yamakawa (BJPW 01/02/98)

Yoshihiro Taijiri vs Minoru Tanaka (BJPW Indy Hyper J Tournament 02/03/98)

Yoshihiro Taijiri vs Gedo (BJPW Indy Hyper J Tournament 02/03/98)

Yoshihiro Taijiri & Ryuji Yamakawa vs Shadow Winger & Shadow WX (BJPW 03/04/98)

Yoshihiro Taijiri vs Ikuto Hidaka (BJPW 03/31/98)

Katsumi Usuda vs Minoru Fujita (BJPW 05/01/98)

Shoji Nakamaki, Masked G.K., Mitsuhiro Matsunaga & Jason The Terrible vs Great Pogo, Shadow WX, Shadow Winger & Shadow VI (BJPW 05/01/98, Super Hardcore Match)

Shadow WX vs Tomoaki Honma (BJPW King of the Death Matches 07/26/98, Barbed Wire Baseball Bat and Barbed Wire Board Match)

Katsumi Usuda vs Tomoaki Honma (BJPW 09/23/98)

Minoru Fujita & Ikuto Hidaka vs Katsumi Usuda & Tomoaki Honma (BJPW 11/06/98)

 

The first we'd axe are probably these, with the other seven staying pretty firm:

 

Yoshihiro Taijiri & Ryuji Yamakawa vs Shadow Winger & Shadow WX (BJPW 03/04/98)

Katsumi Usuda vs Tomoaki Honma (BJPW 09/23/98)

Minoru Fujita & Ikuto Hidaka vs Katsumi Usuda & Tomoaki Honma (BJPW 11/06/98)

[Loss]

For New Japan, we're probably looking at these. I placed an asterisk (*) next to the ones where we would just use the JIP TV version as source material. If any of those are more complete in other places, please let me know.

 

Ultimo Dragon vs Shinjiro Otani (NJPW Tokyo Dome 01/04/98)

Riki Choshu Career Highlights/Official Retirement (NJPW Tokyo Dome 01/04/98)

Naoya Ogawa vs Don Frye (NJPW Tokyo Dome 01/04/98)

Jushin Liger vs Shinjiro Otani (NJPW 02/07/98) *

Jushin Liger vs Koji Kanemoto (NJPW 02/08/98) *

Naoya Ogawa vs Don Frye (NJPW 02/15/98) *

Jushin Liger & Dr Wagner Jr vs Shinjiro Otani & Koji Kanemoto (NJPW 03/06/98) *

Antonio Inoki vs Don Frye (NJPW 04/04/98)

Kensuke Sasaki vs Tatsumi Fujinami (NJPW 04/04/98)

Genichiro Tenryu & Shiro Koshinaka vs Tatsumi Fujinami & Satoshi Kojima (NJPW 04/14/98) *

Jushin Liger, El Samurai & Kendo Ka Shin vs Shinjiro Otani, Koji Kanemoto & Tatsuhito Takaiwa (NJPW 04/21/98) *

Genichiro Tenryu, Shiro Koshinaka & Michiyoshi Ohara vs Hiroyoshi Tenzan, Masa Chono & Masa Saito (NJPW 04/21/98) *

Norio Honaga retirement video, "Wonderful Tonight" (NJPW 04/30/98) *

Jushin Liger vs Shinjiro Otani (NJPW 05/28/98)

Koji Kanemoto vs Dr. Wagner Jr. (NJPW 06/03/98)

Jushin Liger, El Samurai, Kendo Ka Shin, Dr. Wagner Jr. & Hayato Nanjyo vs Shinjiro Otani, Koji Kanemoto, Tatsuhito Takaiwa, Kaz Hayashi & Masakazu Fukuda (NJPW 06/05/98, Elimination Match)

Genichiro Tenryu & Shiro Koshinaka vs Masa Chono & Hiroyoshi Tenzan (NJPW 06/05/98)

Jushin Liger vs Koji Kanemoto (NJPW 07/15/98) *

Genichiro Tenryu vs Keiji Muto (NJPW G-1 Climax Round 1 07/31/98)

Satoshi Kojima vs Tadao Yasuda (NJPW 08/01/98)

Shiro Koshinaka vs Masa Chono (NJPW G-1 Climax 08/01/98)

Genichiro Tenryu vs Shinya Hashimoto (NJPW G-1 Climax 08/01/98)

Shinya Hashimoto vs Satoshi Kojima (NJPW G-1 Climax 08/02/98)

Shinya Hashimoto vs Kazuo Yamazaki (NJPW G-1 Climax 08/02/98)

Shinjiro Otani & Tatsuhito Takaiwa vs Koji Kanemoto & Dr. Wagner (NJPW 08/08/98)

Genichiro Tenryu vs Shinya Hashimoto (NJPW 08/08/98)

Genichiro Tenryu & Shiro Koshinaka vs Keiji Muto & Hiroyoshi Tenzan (NJPW 10/18/98)

Shinjiro Otani & Tatsuhito Takaiwa vs Koji Kanemoto & Kendo Ka Shin (NJPW 10/24/98) *

Jushin Liger vs El Samurai (NJPW 10/24/98) *

Jushin Liger vs Shinjiro Otani (NJPW 10/30/98) *

 

I'm sure some of the Frye matches can be axed, but since it was a big part of New Japan at the time, I just want to represent it somehow. The rest of this isn't as much as it looks like. A lot of it is 5-10 minute TV clips, but I still want to include it since it's what we have.

 

Liger/Kanemoto from 7/15 is 27 minutes in full and I hope it's available on a commercial release. It looks to be on a big show so I'm hoping it is.

[Loss]

Here's the preliminary FMW list:

 

Masato Tanaka vs Mr. Gannosuke (FMW 01/06/98)

Hayabusa vs Masato Tanaka (FMW 03/13/98)

Hayabusa vs The Gladiator (FMW 03/17/98)

Mr. Gannosuke vs Jinsei Shinzaki (FMW 04/21/98)

Jinsei Shinzaki vs Kintaro Kanemura (FMW Entertainment Wrestling Live 04/30/98)

Hayabusa vs Mr. Gannosuke (FMW Entertainment Wrestling Live 04/30/98)

Hayabusa vs Masato Tanaka (FMW 05/19/98)

Hayabusa & Masato Tanaka vs Kintaro Kanemura & Kodo Fuyuki (FMW 05/27/98)

Masato Tanaka vs Tetsuhiro Kuroda (FMW 06/19/98)

Hayabusa, Daisuke Ikeda, Hisakatsu Oya & Ricky Fuji vs Kodo Fuyuki, Koji Nakagawa, Kintaro Kanemura & Gedo (FMW 06/19/98)

Gladiator vs Kintaro Kanemura (FMW 07/10/98)

Hayabusa, Daisuke Ikeda, Hisakatsu Oya & Ricky Fuji vs Gedo, Jado, Ricky Fuyuki & Koji Nakagawa (FMW 07/10/98, Elimination Match)

Kintaro Kanemura vs Tetsuhiro Kuroda (FMW 10/06/98)

Mr. Gannosuke vs Kintaro Kanemura (FMW 12/13/98)

Hisakatsu Oya vs Tetsuhiro Kuroda (FMW 12/13/98) (JIP)

Hayabusa vs Hisakatsu Oya (FMW 12/13/98)

 

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I think we can swing it without cutting any of this, but if we do, these are probably the ones that would go, only because they aren't on BAHU's FMW 100:

 

Gladiator vs Kintaro Kanemura (FMW 07/10/98)

Mr. Gannosuke vs Kintaro Kanemura (FMW 12/13/98)

[Loss]

Joshi needs to be cut almost in half. We usually get around 20-25 Joshi matches on a yearbook. There are 40 here. Can anyone help with making some deep cuts? We need to axe a lot of it.

 

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AJW

Momoe Nakanishi vs Kumiko Maekawa (AJW 03/01/98)

Manami Toyota vs Shinobu Kandori (AJW 08/23/98)

Manami Toyota, Yumiko Hotta & Takako Inoue vs Etsuko Mita, Mima Shimoda & Kyoko Inoue (AJW 12/26/98)

 

ARSION

Yumi Fukawa vs Candy Okutsu (ARSION Grand Opening 02/18/98)

Aja Kong vs Michiko Omukai (ARSION Grand Opening 02/18/98)

Yumi Fukawa vs Michiko Omukai (ARSION Starlet 04/11/98)

Candy Okutsu vs Michiko Futagami (ARSION Starlet 04/17/98)

Aja Kong vs Mariko Yoshida (ARSION 06/21/98)

Rie Tamada & Hiroumi Yagi vs Michiko Omukai & Yumi Fukawa (ARSION 12/18/98)

Mariko Yoshida vs Candy Okutsu (ARSION 12/18/98)

 

GAEA

Etsuko Mita & Mima Shimoda vs Meiko Satomura & Sonoko Kato (GAEA 01/15/98)

Sugar Sato & Chikayo Nagashima vs KAORU & Toshiyo Yamada (GAEA 02/22/98)

Chikayo Nagashima vs Meiko Satomura (GAEA 04/14/98)

Aja Kong & Mayumi Ozaki vs Chigusa Nagayo & Meiko Satomura (GAEA 04/29/98)

Sonoko Kato & Meiko Satomura vs Kaoru & Toshiyo Yamada (GAEA 06/13/98)

Kaoru vs Toshiyo Yamada (GAEA 06/14/98)

Toshiyo Yamada & Sonoko Kato vs Kaoru & Meiko Satomura (GAEA 06/21/98)

Aja Kong & Mayumi Ozaki vs Meiko Satomura & Sonoko Kato (GAEA 08/10/98)

Aja Kong & Mayumi Ozaki vs Sugar Sato & Chikayo Nagashima (GAEA 08/23/98)

Meiko Satomura vs Sonoko Kato (GAEA 08/23/98)

Aja Kong & Mayumi Ozaki vs Toshiyo Yamada & Meiko Satomura (GAEA 12/27/98)

Kaoru vs Toshie Uematsu (GAEA 12/27/98)

 

Jd'

Lioness Asuka vs Jaguar Yokota (Jd' 01/11/98)

Megumi Yabushita & Sumie Sakai vs Momoe Nakanishi & Nanae Takahashi (Jd' 02/02/98)

Lioness Asuka vs Kyoko Inoue (Jd' 04/26/98)

Hiroumi Yagi vs Sumie Sakai (Jd' 07/05/98)

Jaguar Yokota & Yuko Kosugi vs Lioness Asuka & The Bloody (Jd' 07/05/98)

Lioness Asuka vs Kyoko Inoue (Jd' 08/02/98)

 

JWP

Chikayo Nagashima & Mayumi Ozaki vs Dynamite Kansai & Cuty Suzuki (JWP 01/11/98)

Manami Toyota & Kaoru Ito vs Hikari Fukuoka & Tomoko Kuzumi (JWP 02/11/98)

Hikari Fukuoka vs Tomoko Kuzumi (JWP 03/06/98)

 

LLPW

Shinobu Kandori, Rumi Kazama & Yasha Kurenai vs Eagle Sawai, Michiko Nagashima & Sayori Okino (LLPW 02/15/98)

 

NEO

Etsuko Mita, Mima Shimoda & Saya Endo vs Kyoko Inoue, Chapparita Asari & Yoshiko Tamura (NEO 01/09/98)

Hikari Fukuoka vs Kyoko Inoue (NEO 02/15/98)

Etsuko Mita & Mima Shimoda vs Kyoko Inoue & Genki Misae (NEO 02/25/98)

Lioness Asuka vs Kyoko Inoue (NEO Be Happy 05/06/98)

Aja Kong vs Kyoko Inoue (NEO 10/20/98)

Kyoko Inoue vs Misae Genki (NEO 12/28/98)

 

Oz Academy

Reiko Amano & Chikayo Nagashima vs Toshie Uematsu & Sonoko Kato (Oz Academy 06/21/98)

Mayumi Ozaki & Sugar Sato vs Kyoko Inoue & Yoshiko Tamura (Oz Academy 06/21/98)

[jdw]

What's the current AJPW List after Ditch's recommendations back in January?

 

Dan went hog wild on the 1998 set:

 

http://www.crazymax.org/index.php?showtopic=54406

http://www.crazymax.org/index.php?showtopic=54984

 

That doesn't include listings for the commercial releases, which were also part of the set.

 

John

[Loss]

Current All Japan list. 27 matches represented, with 24 of them "complete" (as complete as possible anyway).

 

Mitsuharu Misawa vs Jun Akiyama (AJPW 01/26/98) +

Toshiaki Kawada & Akira Taue vs Steve Williams & Gary Albright (AJPW 02/28/98) (Finish only) +

Mitsuharu Misawa vs Johnny Ace (AJPW 02/28/98) +

Mitsuharu Misawa vs Akira Taue (AJPW 03/22/98) --

Toshiaki Kawada vs Jun Akiyama (AJPW 03/26/98) --

Mitsuharu Misawa vs Toshiaki Kawada (AJPW Championship Carnival 03/29/98) +

Kenta Kobashi vs Jun Akiyama (AJPW Championship Carnival 04/11/98) +

Mitsuharu Misawa vs Jun Akiyama (AJPW Championship Carnival 04/18/98) +

Jun Akiyama vs Hiroshi Hase (AJPW Tokyo Dome 05/01/98) +

Kenta Kobashi & Johnny Ace vs Vader & Stan Hansen (AJPW Tokyo Dome 05/01/98) +

Mitsuharu Misawa vs Toshiaki Kawada (AJPW Tokyo Dome 05/01/98) +

Toshiaki Kawada & Akira Taue vs Kenta Kobashi & Johnny Ace (AJPW 06/05/98) +

Toshiaki Kawada vs Kenta Kobashi (AJPW 06/12/98) +

Toshiaki Kawada & Akira Taue vs Yoshihiro Takayama & Masahito Kakihara (AJPW 07/19/98) *

Jun Akiyama & Hiroshi Hase vs Kenta Kobashi & Taiyo Kea (AJPW 07/19/98) *

Gary Albright & Yoshihiro Takayama vs Akira Taue & Jun Izumida (AJPW 07/24/98) (Finish only) +

Kenta Kobashi vs Jun Akiyama (AJPW 07/24/98) +

Mitsuharu Misawa, Jun Akiyama & Satoru Asako vs Kenta Kobashi, Johnny Ace & Johnny Smith (AJPW 08/22/98) *

Mitsuharu Misawa, Jun Akiyama & Satoru Asako vs Toshiaki Kawada, Yoshinari Ogawa & Takao Omori (AJPW 08/23/98) *

Jun Akiyama vs Yoshinari Ogawa (AJPW 09/11/98) *

Toshiaki Kawada vs Masahito Kakihara (AJPW 09/11/98) *

Kenta Kobashi vs Akira Taue (AJPW 09/11/98) +

Toshiaki Kawada & Akira Taue vs Kenta Kobashi & Jun Akiyama (AJPW 10/11/98) +

Mitsuharu Misawa & Takao Omori vs Kenta Kobashi & Jinsei Shinzaki (AJPW 10/24/98) (Finish only) +

Mitsuharu Misawa vs Kenta Kobashi (AJPW 10/31/98) +

Mitsuharu Misawa & Yoshinari Ogawa vs Kenta Kobashi & Jun Akiyama (AJPW Real World Tag League 11/30/98) *

Kenta Kobashi & Jun Akiyama vs Stan Hansen & Vader (AJPW Real World Tag League 12/05/98) +

 

+ - Commercial release

-- - Samurai TV

* - "30" TV

[Loss]

Michinoku Pro:

 

Mens Teoh vs Shoichi Funaki (Michinoku Pro 01/14/98)

Great Sasuke, Gran Hamada & Tiger Mask IV vs Dick Togo, Shoichi Funaki & Super Boy (Michinoku Pro 01/16/98)

Yoshihiro Taijiri, Mens Teoh & Shoichi Funaki vs Gran Hamada, Naohiro Hoshikawa & Masato Yakushiji (Michinoku Pro 03/01/98)

Naohiro Hoshikawa vs Gran Naniwa (Michinoku Pro 05/31/98)

Super Delphin vs Naohiro Hoshikawa (Michinoku Pro 06/21/98)

 

I do want to represent this group some, even though they were on the decline by this time. Still, I think everything after the January matches would be very easy to cut and wouldn't be too missed.

[Loss]

BattlARTS. 21 matches here. We need to get this down to about 10-15, so quite a few cuts are needed.

 

Minoru Tanaka vs Yoshihiro Taijiri (BattlARTS 01/20/98)

Yuki Ishikawa vs Alexander Otsuka (BattlARTS 01/20/98)

Yuki Ishikawa & Naohiro Ishikawa vs Minoru Tanaka & Daisuke Ikeda (BattlARTS 02/07/98)

Yuki Ishikawa vs Katsumi Usuda (BattlARTS 03/06/98)

Tiger Mask (Satoru Sayama) vs Minoru Tanaka (BattlARTS 04/19/98)

Yuki Ishikawa & Alexander Otsuka vs Daisuke Ikeda & Carl Greco (BattlARTS 04/19/98)

Yuki Ishikawa vs Carl Greco (BattlARTS 04/24/98)

Minoru Tanaka vs Maasaki Mochizuki (BattlARTS 05/27/98)

Yuki Ishikawa vs Daisuke Ikeda (BattlARTS 05/27/98)

Ikuto Hidaka vs Willow the Whisp (BattlARTS 06/14/98)

Alexander Otsuka vs Katsumi Usuda (BattlARTS 07/25/98)

Carl Greco vs Ryuji Yamakawa (BattlARTS 08/22/98)

Minoru Tanaka vs Victor Krueger (BattlARTS 08/22/98)

Yuki Ishikawa vs Alexander Otsuka (BattlARTS 08/29/98)

Yuki Ishikawa vs Mitsuhiro Matsunaga (BattlARTS B-Cup 10/05/98)

Yuki Ishikawa & Bob Backlund vs Alexander Otsuka & Hisakatsu Oya (BattlARTS 10/23/98)

Yuki Ishikawa vs Hisakatsu Oya (BattlARTS B-Cup 11/23/98)

Road Warriors vs Alexander Otsuka & Mohammed Yone (BattlARTS B-Cup 11/23/98)

Yuki Ishikawa vs Bob Backlund (BattlARTS B-Cup Final 11/23/98)

Minoru Tanaka & Masaaki Mochizuki vs Minoru Fujita & Ikuto Hidaka (BattlARTS 12/16/98)

Yuki Ishikawa & Carl Greco vs Minoru Tanaka & Masaaki Mochizuki (BattlARTS 12/25/98)

[soup23]

Man I thought this would be a weak year and then Loss starts throwing out all these matches and I cringe that deep cuts have to be made. Showing this doesn't make me envy you/Will getting the final matchlist together.

[Tim Cooke]

BattlArts musts

 

2/7 tag

Both 5/27 matches

 

After that, there isn't much that separates the matches. Jeff Hardy match is a good choice and the Ishikawa/Otsuka matches are never less than good

[jdw]

Current All Japan list. 27 matches represented, with 24 of them "complete" (as complete as possible anyway).

 

[...]

 

EDIT: These stand out to me from the links you posted as possibly being worth considering. Does anyone know anything about any of these?

 

From Satellite TV:

 

[...]

 

From Samurai TV:

Can you edit out of the Sat and Sammy list things you already have on the first list of 27? I see the Misawa-Taue from Carny in the initial 27, and then on one (or both) of the later lists. It gets confusing over what we need to look at.

 

On the first 27:

 

Mitsuharu Misawa vs Akira Taue (AJPW 03/22/98) --

Toshiaki Kawada vs Jun Akiyama (AJPW 03/26/98) --

 

Those should both be tagged as Carny.

 

Last add: when you get down to the final list, you might want to have one last pass by Ditch or me to double check the dates. The Carny Misawa-Kawada on the first list has the same date as the Carny Misawa-Jun (league match I assume rather than Final) on the second list. There might be a few more like that.

[Loss]

Can you edit out of the Sat and Sammy list things you already have on the first list of 27? I see the Misawa-Taue from Carny in the initial 27, and then on one (or both) of the later lists. It gets confusing over what we need to look at.

Sure.

 

These stand out to me from the links you posted as possibly being worth considering. Does anyone know anything about any of these?

 

From Satellite TV:

 

Kikuchi/Misawa vs. Inoue/Kawada 2618 complete (1/10/98)

Mossman/Akiyama/Misawa vs. Smith/Ace/Kobashi 2738 complete (2/14/98)

Akiyama/Kobashi vs. Kakihara/Takayama 1356 complete (2/28/98)

Kawada/Taue vs. Albright/Williams 1110 complete (2/28/98)

Champion Carnival: Kobashi vs. Ace 3000 complete (3/21/98)

Champion Carnival: Kobashi vs. Omori 1242 complete (3/29/98)

Champion Carnival: Hansen vs. Williams 1858 complete (3/29/98)

Ace/Smith vs. Taue/Kawada 1349 complete (3/29/98)

Champion Carnival: Misawa vs. Akiyama 2205 complete (3/29/98)

[Loss]

From Samurai TV:

 

Hase vs. Kikuchi 1221 complete (1/3/98)

Mossman/Misawa/Baba vs. Fuchi/Kobashi/Kawada 2927 complete (1/23/98)

Ace/Kobashi vs. Kawada/Taue 3206 complete (1/25/98)

Misawa/Akiyama/Izumida vs. Kawada/Taue/Honda 1909 complete (2/15/98)

Kobashi/Ace/Smith vs. Misawa/Akiyama/Mossman 2129 complete (2/27/98)

Kawada vs. Omori 1152 complete (3/22/98)

Akiyama vs. Hansen 1501 complete (3/22/98)

Kobashi vs. Hawkfield 909 complete (3/22/98)

Shiga/Mossman/Misawa vs. Kanemaru/Ace/Kobashi 1817 complete (3/26/98)

Taue vs. Williams 1244 complete (3/26/98)

Kanemaru/Misawa/Kikuchi vs. Shiga/Ogawa/Kawada 2307 complete (4/11/98)

Kobashi vs. Izumida 1229 complete (4/12/98)

Misawa vs. Williams 1822 complete (4/12/98)

Akiyama vs. Ace 1113 complete (4/12/98)

Kawada vs. Taue 917 complete (4/12/98)

Kawada/Taue/Kikuchi vs. Ace/Kobashi/Asako 2709 complete (5/23/98)

Williams vs. Akiyama 3000 complete (6/5/98)

Kobashi vs. Smith 1423 complete (7/5/98)

Kawada/Taue vs. Akiyama/Honda 1252 complete (7/5/98)

Albright/Takayama/Kakihara vs. Kobashi/Ace/Hase 1928 complete (7/18/98)

Taue/Honda vs. Kobashi/Ace 1402 complete (8/23/98)

Kawada/Taue vs. Kakihara/Takayama 1505 complete (10/31/98)

Kobashi/Akiyama vs. Vader/Hansen 1449 complete (11/14/98)

Hansen/Vader vs. Kobashi/Akiyama 1449 complete (11/21/98)

Kawada/Taue vs. Ace/Gunn 1755 complete (11/27/98)

Kobashi/Akiyama vs. Kawada/Taue 2140 complete (12/02/98)

Kobashi/Akiyama vs. Ace/Gunn 2004 complete (12/04/98)

Misawa/Ogawa vs. Takayama/Omori 1557 complete (12/04/98)

Misawa/Ogawa/Kakihara vs. Takayama/Taue/Kawada 1711 complete (12/05/98)

 

I had never seen this list before. This makes me think we should completely bypass "30" TV and aim to only include complete All Japan matches. This is obviously way more than we can include, but if there's something someone has seen from this list that should be considered, I think we should include it.

 

We should be able to represent the Carnival and tag league pretty well.

 

What would be an ideal list of 30-35 matches for All Japan?

[Loss]

BattlArts musts

 

2/7 tag

Both 5/27 matches

 

After that, there isn't much that separates the matches. Jeff Hardy match is a good choice and the Ishikawa/Otsuka matches are never less than good

Sure, maybe we cut these if we need room?

 

Minoru Tanaka vs Yoshihiro Taijiri (BattlARTS 01/20/98)

Tiger Mask (Satoru Sayama) vs Minoru Tanaka (BattlARTS 04/19/98)

Minoru Tanaka vs Maasaki Mochizuki (BattlARTS 05/27/98)

Carl Greco vs Ryuji Yamakawa (BattlARTS 08/22/98)

Minoru Tanaka vs Victor Krueger (BattlARTS 08/22/98)

Road Warriors vs Alexander Otsuka & Mohammed Yone (BattlARTS B-Cup 11/23/98)

Minoru Tanaka & Masaaki Mochizuki vs Minoru Fujita & Ikuto Hidaka (BattlARTS 12/16/98)

[jdw]

On the NTV versions:

 

* Jun Akiyama & Hiroshi Hase vs Kenta Kobashi & Taiyo Kea (AJPW 07/19/98) *

 

* Mitsuharu Misawa, Jun Akiyama & Satoru Asako vs Kenta Kobashi, Johnny Ace & Johnny Smith (AJPW 08/22/98) *

 

* Mitsuharu Misawa, Jun Akiyama & Satoru Asako vs Toshiaki Kawada, Yoshinari Ogawa & Takao Omori (AJPW 08/23/98) *

 

Those three all appear to be complete on Sammy. Dan lists them as 21:53, 20:36 and 21:32 respectively. Would guess the NTV versions were chopped up quite a bit. No comment on the quality: I don't recall them at all on NTV, and haven't watched the Sammy versions yet.

 

 

* Mitsuharu Misawa & Yoshinari Ogawa vs Kenta Kobashi & Jun Akiyama (AJPW Real World Tag League 11/30/98) *

 

It's a bit too bad that Sammy's version looks to be even more JIP (just 6:30 of 30:00) than the NTV version.

 

 

* Jun Akiyama vs Yoshinari Ogawa (AJPW 09/11/98) *

* Toshiaki Kawada vs Masahito Kakihara (AJPW 09/11/98) *

 

These are both complete on Sammy and the following commercial listing of Dan's:

 

727. AJ - Burned comm. - Summer Action Series 1998 II Pt. 1

728. AJ - Burned comm. - Summer Action Series 1998 II Pt. 2

 

Which I think were in the bonus discs of his "1998 All Japan Superset - 2nd half" set. They're short (11:10 and 6:52 respectively), so no reason not to include the whole things if they're any good. I would argue that the Misawa-Mossman from that show should be on as it's Misawa's "singles return" from injury after the Dome. It's just 7:34. It's also a semi-high profile match for Mossman, which is a first for him at that level. None of those take up much space compared to normal AJPW Budokan singles, in fact combined they take up as much space as one normal AJPW singles match. It's a rare attempt of them trying to push some of the lower ranked guys in singles. A bit unique, and one could say a contrast at the end of the decade to how say Jumbo was working with lower ranked guys at the start of it.

[jdw]

Sorry... wasn't clear on the earlier request. I was talking about stuff like this:

 

Current All Japan list. 27 matches represented, with 24 of them "complete" (as complete as possible anyway).

Toshiaki Kawada vs Jun Akiyama (AJPW 03/26/98) --

 

From Samurai TV:

Kawada vs. Akiyama 1801 complete (3/26/98)

 

Was meaning chopping out of the Sammy and Sat lists stuff that you & Will & Co already had on the list of the first 27, leaving the Sammy & Sat to deal with other matches to consider / pimp.

[Loss]

Leaving only commercial and NTV in the original post?

[jdw]

* The original list is the 27 that you guys already were considering strongly.

 

* In the Sammy and Sat lists, "other" matches not in the 27 that you're asking for thoughts on.

 

There's no need for Kawada-Jun in the Sammy & Sat lists when you guys have already moved it to the 27. It kind of makes me confused over what I should be recommending to add.

[Loss]

Got it. I removed everything from the Samurai and Satellite lists that was already in the original list.

[FLIK]

I've already done some of this in this thread, but I thought I would start posting what we have now as the full list for each of the Japanese and lucha promotions, if anyone has anything that should be added, removed or otherwise reconsidered. I'm even going to repeat the ones we have already listed just to make sure there are no mistakes or oversights on my part.

 

For New Japan and All Japan, I also want to make sure we're using the best source for each match.

 

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I'll start with Big Japan:

 

Gedo & Jado vs Yoshihiro Taijiri & Ryuji Yamakawa (BJPW 01/02/98)

Yoshihiro Taijiri vs Minoru Tanaka (BJPW Indy Hyper J Tournament 02/03/98)

Yoshihiro Taijiri vs Gedo (BJPW Indy Hyper J Tournament 02/03/98)

Yoshihiro Taijiri & Ryuji Yamakawa vs Shadow Winger & Shadow WX (BJPW 03/04/98)

Yoshihiro Taijiri vs Ikuto Hidaka (BJPW 03/31/98)

Katsumi Usuda vs Minoru Fujita (BJPW 05/01/98)

Shoji Nakamaki, Masked G.K., Mitsuhiro Matsunaga & Jason The Terrible vs Great Pogo, Shadow WX, Shadow Winger & Shadow VI (BJPW 05/01/98, Super Hardcore Match)

Shadow WX vs Tomoaki Honma (BJPW King of the Death Matches 07/26/98, Barbed Wire Baseball Bat and Barbed Wire Board Match)

Katsumi Usuda vs Tomoaki Honma (BJPW 09/23/98)

Minoru Fujita & Ikuto Hidaka vs Katsumi Usuda & Tomoaki Honma (BJPW 11/06/98)

 

The first we'd axe are probably these, with the other seven staying pretty firm:

 

Yoshihiro Taijiri & Ryuji Yamakawa vs Shadow Winger & Shadow WX (BJPW 03/04/98)

Katsumi Usuda vs Tomoaki Honma (BJPW 09/23/98)

Minoru Fujita & Ikuto Hidaka vs Katsumi Usuda & Tomoaki Honma (BJPW 11/06/98)

I'd cut Yoshihiro Taijiri vs Gedo (BJPW Indy Hyper J Tournament 02/03/98)

It's a real good match but hardly imperitive, time that could be better used elsewhear.

[FLIK]

Joshi needs to be cut almost in half. We usually get around 20-25 Joshi matches on a yearbook. There are 40 here. Can anyone help with making some deep cuts? We need to axe a lot of it.

 

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AJW

Momoe Nakanishi vs Kumiko Maekawa (AJW 03/01/98)

Manami Toyota vs Shinobu Kandori (AJW 08/23/98)

Manami Toyota, Yumiko Hotta & Takako Inoue vs Etsuko Mita, Mima Shimoda & Kyoko Inoue (AJW 12/26/98)

 

ARSION

Yumi Fukawa vs Candy Okutsu (ARSION Grand Opening 02/18/98)

Aja Kong vs Michiko Omukai (ARSION Grand Opening 02/18/98)

Yumi Fukawa vs Michiko Omukai (ARSION Starlet 04/11/98)

Candy Okutsu vs Michiko Futagami (ARSION Starlet 04/17/98)

Aja Kong vs Mariko Yoshida (ARSION 06/21/98)

Rie Tamada & Hiroumi Yagi vs Michiko Omukai & Yumi Fukawa (ARSION 12/18/98)

Mariko Yoshida vs Candy Okutsu (ARSION 12/18/98)

 

GAEA

Etsuko Mita & Mima Shimoda vs Meiko Satomura & Sonoko Kato (GAEA 01/15/98)

Sugar Sato & Chikayo Nagashima vs KAORU & Toshiyo Yamada (GAEA 02/22/98)

Chikayo Nagashima vs Meiko Satomura (GAEA 04/14/98)

Aja Kong & Mayumi Ozaki vs Chigusa Nagayo & Meiko Satomura (GAEA 04/29/98)

Sonoko Kato & Meiko Satomura vs Kaoru & Toshiyo Yamada (GAEA 06/13/98)

Kaoru vs Toshiyo Yamada (GAEA 06/14/98)

Toshiyo Yamada & Sonoko Kato vs Kaoru & Meiko Satomura (GAEA 06/21/98)

Aja Kong & Mayumi Ozaki vs Meiko Satomura & Sonoko Kato (GAEA 08/10/98)

Aja Kong & Mayumi Ozaki vs Sugar Sato & Chikayo Nagashima (GAEA 08/23/98)

Meiko Satomura vs Sonoko Kato (GAEA 08/23/98)

Aja Kong & Mayumi Ozaki vs Toshiyo Yamada & Meiko Satomura (GAEA 12/27/98)

Kaoru vs Toshie Uematsu (GAEA 12/27/98)

 

Jd'

Lioness Asuka vs Jaguar Yokota (Jd' 01/11/98)

Megumi Yabushita & Sumie Sakai vs Momoe Nakanishi & Nanae Takahashi (Jd' 02/02/98)

Lioness Asuka vs Kyoko Inoue (Jd' 04/26/98)

Hiroumi Yagi vs Sumie Sakai (Jd' 07/05/98)

Jaguar Yokota & Yuko Kosugi vs Lioness Asuka & The Bloody (Jd' 07/05/98)

Lioness Asuka vs Kyoko Inoue (Jd' 08/02/98)

 

JWP

Chikayo Nagashima & Mayumi Ozaki vs Dynamite Kansai & Cuty Suzuki (JWP 01/11/98)

Manami Toyota & Kaoru Ito vs Hikari Fukuoka & Tomoko Kuzumi (JWP 02/11/98)

Hikari Fukuoka vs Tomoko Kuzumi (JWP 03/06/98)

 

LLPW

Shinobu Kandori, Rumi Kazama & Yasha Kurenai vs Eagle Sawai, Michiko Nagashima & Sayori Okino (LLPW 02/15/98)

 

NEO

Etsuko Mita, Mima Shimoda & Saya Endo vs Kyoko Inoue, Chapparita Asari & Yoshiko Tamura (NEO 01/09/98)

Hikari Fukuoka vs Kyoko Inoue (NEO 02/15/98)

Etsuko Mita & Mima Shimoda vs Kyoko Inoue & Genki Misae (NEO 02/25/98)

Lioness Asuka vs Kyoko Inoue (NEO Be Happy 05/06/98)

Aja Kong vs Kyoko Inoue (NEO 10/20/98)

Kyoko Inoue vs Misae Genki (NEO 12/28/98)

 

Oz Academy

Reiko Amano & Chikayo Nagashima vs Toshie Uematsu & Sonoko Kato (Oz Academy 06/21/98)

Mayumi Ozaki & Sugar Sato vs Kyoko Inoue & Yoshiko Tamura (Oz Academy 06/21/98)

Easy CUT

 

Momoe Nakanishi vs Kumiko Maekawa (AJW 03/01/98)

Rie Tamada & Hiroumi Yagi vs Michiko Omukai & Yumi Fukawa (ARSION 12/18/98)

Aja Kong & Mayumi Ozaki vs Sugar Sato & Chikayo Nagashima (GAEA 08/23/98)

Kaoru vs Toshie Uematsu (GAEA 12/27/98)

Hiroumi Yagi vs Sumie Sakai (Jd' 07/05/98)

 

Borderline CUT

 

Mariko Yoshida vs Candy Okutsu (ARSION 12/18/98)

Manami Toyota, Yumiko Hotta & Takako Inoue vs Etsuko Mita, Mima Shimoda & Kyoko Inoue (AJW 12/26/98)

Kaoru vs Toshiyo Yamada (GAEA 06/14/98)

Mayumi Ozaki & Sugar Sato vs Kyoko Inoue & Yoshiko Tamura (Oz Academy 06/21/98)

 

Add

 

GAEA 11/23/1998 Aja Kong vs Toshiyo Yamada

[FLIK]

Here's the preliminary FMW list:

 

Masato Tanaka vs Mr. Gannosuke (FMW 01/06/98)

Hayabusa vs Masato Tanaka (FMW 03/13/98)

Hayabusa vs The Gladiator (FMW 03/17/98)

Mr. Gannosuke vs Jinsei Shinzaki (FMW 04/21/98)

Jinsei Shinzaki vs Kintaro Kanemura (FMW Entertainment Wrestling Live 04/30/98)

Hayabusa vs Mr. Gannosuke (FMW Entertainment Wrestling Live 04/30/98)

Hayabusa vs Masato Tanaka (FMW 05/19/98)

Hayabusa & Masato Tanaka vs Kintaro Kanemura & Kodo Fuyuki (FMW 05/27/98)

Masato Tanaka vs Tetsuhiro Kuroda (FMW 06/19/98)

Hayabusa, Daisuke Ikeda, Hisakatsu Oya & Ricky Fuji vs Kodo Fuyuki, Koji Nakagawa, Kintaro Kanemura & Gedo (FMW 06/19/98)

Gladiator vs Kintaro Kanemura (FMW 07/10/98)

Hayabusa, Daisuke Ikeda, Hisakatsu Oya & Ricky Fuji vs Gedo, Jado, Ricky Fuyuki & Koji Nakagawa (FMW 07/10/98, Elimination Match)

Kintaro Kanemura vs Tetsuhiro Kuroda (FMW 10/06/98)

Mr. Gannosuke vs Kintaro Kanemura (FMW 12/13/98)

Hisakatsu Oya vs Tetsuhiro Kuroda (FMW 12/13/98) (JIP)

Hayabusa vs Hisakatsu Oya (FMW 12/13/98)

 

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I think we can swing it without cutting any of this, but if we do, these are probably the ones that would go, only because they aren't on BAHU's FMW 100:

 

Gladiator vs Kintaro Kanemura (FMW 07/10/98)

Mr. Gannosuke vs Kintaro Kanemura (FMW 12/13/98)

Easy Cut

 

Jinsei Shinzaki vs Kintaro Kanemura (FMW Entertainment Wrestling Live 04/30/98)

 

Cut

 

Kintaro Kanemura vs Tetsuhiro Kuroda (FMW 10/06/98)

 

ADD

 

2/22/1998 (6 Man Street Fight Tag Titles) Hayabusa, Masato Tanaka & Hisakatsu Oya © vs Yukihiro Kanemura, Mr. Gannosuke & Jado

11/20/1998 (FMW Double Titles) Hayabusa © vs Kodo Fuyuki

 

Hisakatsu Oya vs Tetsuhiro Kuroda (FMW 12/13/98) (JIP)

Great match and it's only 14 mins, no reason to JIP I can see

[FLIK]

BattlARTS. 21 matches here. We need to get this down to about 10-15, so quite a few cuts are needed.

 

Minoru Tanaka vs Yoshihiro Taijiri (BattlARTS 01/20/98)

Yuki Ishikawa vs Alexander Otsuka (BattlARTS 01/20/98)

Yuki Ishikawa & Naohiro Ishikawa vs Minoru Tanaka & Daisuke Ikeda (BattlARTS 02/07/98)

Yuki Ishikawa vs Katsumi Usuda (BattlARTS 03/06/98)

Tiger Mask (Satoru Sayama) vs Minoru Tanaka (BattlARTS 04/19/98)

Yuki Ishikawa & Alexander Otsuka vs Daisuke Ikeda & Carl Greco (BattlARTS 04/19/98)

Yuki Ishikawa vs Carl Greco (BattlARTS 04/24/98)

Minoru Tanaka vs Maasaki Mochizuki (BattlARTS 05/27/98)

Yuki Ishikawa vs Daisuke Ikeda (BattlARTS 05/27/98)

Ikuto Hidaka vs Willow the Whisp (BattlARTS 06/14/98)

Alexander Otsuka vs Katsumi Usuda (BattlARTS 07/25/98)

Carl Greco vs Ryuji Yamakawa (BattlARTS 08/22/98)

Minoru Tanaka vs Victor Krueger (BattlARTS 08/22/98)

Yuki Ishikawa vs Alexander Otsuka (BattlARTS 08/29/98)

Yuki Ishikawa vs Mitsuhiro Matsunaga (BattlARTS B-Cup 10/05/98)

Yuki Ishikawa & Bob Backlund vs Alexander Otsuka & Hisakatsu Oya (BattlARTS 10/23/98)

Yuki Ishikawa vs Hisakatsu Oya (BattlARTS B-Cup 11/23/98)

Road Warriors vs Alexander Otsuka & Mohammed Yone (BattlARTS B-Cup 11/23/98)

Yuki Ishikawa vs Bob Backlund (BattlARTS B-Cup Final 11/23/98)

Minoru Tanaka & Masaaki Mochizuki vs Minoru Fujita & Ikuto Hidaka (BattlARTS 12/16/98)

Yuki Ishikawa & Carl Greco vs Minoru Tanaka & Masaaki Mochizuki (BattlARTS 12/25/98)

Add

 

5/10/1998 (Elimination Match) Carl Greco Ikuto Hidaka & Yuki Ishikawa vs Daisuke Ikeda Mohammad Yone & Gran Naniwa

 

Cut

 

10/23/1998 Yuki Ishikawa & Bob Backlund vs Alexander Otsuka & Hisakatsu Oya

 

Real good match, I like it a lot but if you take out the novelty of the lineup there's sooooo many better matches that deserve to be on more then this

 

Yuki Ishikawa vs Hisakatsu Oya (BattlARTS B-Cup 11/23/98)

 

Same

 

Yuki Ishikawa vs Bob Backlund (BattlARTS B-Cup Final 11/23/98)

 

Same

[Loss]

* The original list is the 27 that you guys already were considering strongly.

 

* In the Sammy and Sat lists, "other" matches not in the 27 that you're asking for thoughts on.

 

There's no need for Kawada-Jun in the Sammy & Sat lists when you guys have already moved it to the 27. It kind of makes me confused over what I should be recommending to add.

We are already starting to work on 1998 (slowly) between other projects. Are you able to assist in helping form an All Japan list?