Loss Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Talk about it here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregor Posted November 3, 2011 Report Share Posted November 3, 2011 This was a pretty big letdown. I was expecting blown spots galore and the crowd completely turning on Diesel, but it was really just a boring match with some awkward parts. The crowd definitely favored Diesel and even chanted his name at one point; the vocal Bulldog fans were clearly in the minority, and they were more pro-Bulldog than anti-Diesel from how it sounded. That's not to say that this wasn't a bad match, because it was. It just wasn't the trainwreck that I was expecting. Both guys tried hard. The post-match brawl between Bret and Diesel was really lame, and the crowd wasn't into it. Still, now that I've seen this, Vince's famous tantrum after the show went off the air seems more like a typical Vince overreaction than a justified outburst on Diesel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted December 31, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 Not watching this quite yet, but I read this and wanted to plop it in this thread. From the WON: Just as the cameras faded to black signifying the end of the In Your House PPV show on 10/22 in Winnipeg, a disgusted Vince McMahon threw down his glasses and his headset and said the words, 'horrible' as he started to walk to the back with Jim Ross while a pull-apart brawl with Bret Hart and Diesel was still going on in the ring. Seconds later, as the brawl ended, Diesel, the person McMahon had planned to build the company around one year earlier, was being booed out of the building, yet another in the long line of failed experiments in his quest to find the new Hulk Hogan. The virtually unanimous crowd reaction to Diesel after yet another unimpressive main event match seems to make it only logical that Bret Hart is destined to have a career similar to the man who his being compared with results in outbursts -- Ric Flair. Like Flair, Hart is the man picked to pick up the pieces time-after-time when experiments of creating new world champions that will be the next big thing in wrestling end up with declining box office figures. For McMahon, the crowd reaction was the crowning jewel of a two week period that he'd most likely love to take back. It was a two-week period that saw injuries to two of his key performers, the quitting of his top assistant, his babyface singles and tag champions being heavily booed after post-matches that weren't designed to elicit such responses, poor house show business at every stop, the debut of a character being groomed for the top echleon falling flat, and among the worst matches and worst overall PPV shows in company history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregor Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 Reading that, I remembered McMahon's reaction as a lot worse than it was. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeCampbell Posted December 31, 2011 Report Share Posted December 31, 2011 I don't get why they'd book Nash/Davey Boy in Canada in the first place. Heel or not, Davey is bound to have his share of fans up in Canada with his connection to the Hart family and history in Stampede. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted January 2, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2012 Last few minutes. And yeah, it's not terrible, just really boring. Diesel and Bret end up slugging it out to close out the PPV and build up Survivor Series. They barely move in the post-match brawl, so it looks pretty bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Evans Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 Vince and JR's reaction to the ring announcer saying Bulldog won the match sums it up. "Bulldog wins?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laney Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 This match is pretty boring. 75% of the match is Davey Boy chop blocking and dropping elbows on Diesel's legs while the crowd sits there and doesn't give a shit. This match capped off a lame PPV that I thought was actually off to a good start with the first two matches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeteF3 Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 Another bad match, and another awful finish. Bret was trying to be diplomatic all throughout the contest with regard to Bulldog's new attitude, saying he disagreed with his new allegiances but didn't harbor the ill will toward him that he did to Owen. Then Davey Boy knocks his headset off and Bret snaps for no discernible reason, jumping Davey in the ring and causing a disqualification. Vince and JR are for some reason baffled at the decision. A really, really lame post-match brawl follows. So ends possibly the most depressing PPV in company history, even including the disastrous King of the Ring show. This featured no-shows by Shawn Michaels *and* the Undertaker and two horrid replacement matches (Yokozuna vs. Mabel?? Seriously?) and yet another bad performance by Diesel in the main event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cactus Posted November 25, 2021 Report Share Posted November 25, 2021 Bret Hart will face the champion at the next PPV and he's on guest commentary. Bulldog was having quite an impressive run since he turned heel, but expecting him to get a good match out of Diesel is a massive undertaking and he fails spectacularly. Bulldog always had the potential to be great if he's in there with the right opponent, but he wasn't known to carry people to good matches. After Diesel starts arguing with Bret, Bulldog chop blocks Diesel and starts a long control segment. Bulldog's beatdown on Diesel's knee is focused, but he bored me to tears. He locks on a Sharpshooter to mess with Bret, but his execution of the move was so sloppy that even Bret made a comment about how he couldn't put the hold on correctly. This is finally over when Bulldog takes things too far with Bret and they start brawling, giving Bulldog a DQ win over the champion. Diesel isn't pleased with this and ends up having a pull-apart with Bret, as the fans show their disapproval. Even the Sid/Diesel matches were better than this! What a depressing end to one of the worst PPVs that the WWF/E ever put on. ½★ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superstar Sleeze Posted January 13 Report Share Posted January 13 WWF World Heavyweight Champion Diesel vs British Bulldog - WWF In Your House IV Vince McMahon is a vile person deserves to rot in Hell. That being said for better or for worse, he is the singular influential person on pro wrestling on the last 40 years. So I have always been curious what he considers good wrestling. If I asked him, I know he would give the frustrating reply “whatever draws the most money, pal”. We know what types of characters he likes and what storylines & angles he likes, but it is a bit of mystery what wrestling he likes. I think this match and the Flair & Savage title change back to Flair are famous examples of what he doesn’t like. I was hoping this match would shed some light on his wrestling taste. Unfortunately, I don’t think the match is bad, I actually think it is good. I think there were reasons to be frustrated about the match but to think this was bad is hyperbolic. I am wondering if this was just general stress all culminating in one moment. Easy example is as a child majority of the times, I got yelled at it nothing to do with what I did, it was because my Dad was stressed about something else. I think it is more likely a combination of Nitro, the Shawn situation, the fucking horrible Yoko/Mabel match they preceded this so that when Davey had Diesel in a leg lace for the umpteenth time, he blew a gasket. During the match Diesel was still over, the crowd was cheering for him and there were no Bulldog fans. Now ending with a brawl with Bret Hart in Canada now that’s where the fans turned. To say Diesel was not over is incorrect. As for the wrestlers, Diesel is someone whose stock has risen in my eyes and Bulldog is someone who has come down a peg. Neither are Top 100 wrestlers for me they are capable of greatness with others. I see them as pretty equal in terms of ability which I think would shock most people. I think this is the best Bulldog performance of 1995 until the Bret match, he is laser focused and gives a very good Bret-esque destruction of the knee. Diesel is better offensive wrestler but he sold very well here. As for the match, the heat segment going long is overblown. I have seen plenty of praised Crockett matches where the heat segment goes way too long and no one complains. This heat segment goes long but it is not horrendous. It is something they could have fixed but it doesn’t kill the match. Hogan/Sid from Mania VIII is an example of an utter shit show main event. This is still good it just couldv been better. Diesel looked good in the shine. Diesel is really good at the missed strikes on a criss cross. I love how he muscled Davey Boy in the corner. Bulldog going for the legs early being thwarted at the Ring post, getting a chop block in the Ring but Nash shrugging it off was great foreshadowing. Bret is the perfect guy on commentary to explain this narrative. Bulldog gets a dropkick and Diesel tumbles to the outside; Bret goes to stop from hitting the table but Diesel pie faces him Bulldog chop block. I thought heat segment up to the Boston Crab was perfect. Bulldog was locked in and using a good variety of moves to attack the leg. I liked Cornette’s attacks on the leg. After Diesel powered out of the Boston Crab, we needed to change things up. That’s where it dragged. We did get hope spots like a big Diesel elbow and a big foot to Bulldog ass to send him flying. But with Bulldog like tenacity, Bulldog just stayed on the knee. I loved Diesel lunging for Bulldog but missing because he has lost a step. There was a lot of cool stuff. We needed either a bigger comeback by Diesel OR we needed Bulldog to change to Power wrestling which he does late in the match. You see Diesel make in roads when Bulldog goes for his customary delayed vertical, Diesel wins that battle. If Diesel is vertical, Bulldog loses. Bulldog needs to keep him down BUT Bulldog doesn’t have the submission vocabulary to defeat Diesel. It is an interesting story. I liked Bulldog using a Sharpshooter in Canada either Bret on commentary. When Bulldog does go for his finish, the Powerslam, Diesel shoves him off, BIG BOOT! The finish is fucking terrible. There’s nobody to blame but Vince. On the outside, Bulldog pie faces Bret and they brawl in the Ring. DQ win for Bulldog and Diesel brawls with Bret. I am a fan of DQ finishes but this is a shitty one because the match feels incomplete. They didn’t really build to the DQ. It wasn’t like Bulldog/Bret were chirping at each other. The match hadn’t gotten to a point where you were like oh I know Diesel would’ve won if it wasn’t for the DQ or vice Versa. It just happened. The finish was easily the worst part of the match. They had an interesting story but they didn’t see it the whole way through. I think after the Boston Crab which should have been where the Sharpshooter was done. That punctuates that segment, Diesel mini-comeback but the leg gives out, Bulldog finish stretch trying his power moves, Diesel gets the Big Boot to counter the running powerslam just as was done. Can he do the Jacknife? That’s when the protection finish kicks in. It is not a bad match. Like I have said I have seen countless matches where the heat segment goes too long. That doesn’t make a match bad. Backlund/Muraco this was not. *** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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