Rey's second wellness violation

[rzombie1988]

Stallone and any actor are pretty bad examples.

[Al]

I never said that steroids weren't bad. HGH and steroids are different. If Guerrero had HGH and nothing else in his system sure, that shows that HGH is a lethal drug. But Eddie was (I presume) using steroids in early 2005 at least. That was certainly harmful, and contributed to his death. But there's a difference between the drugs.

 

And honestly, real fucking cute drawing out the bingo card.

[NintendoLogic]

The risks of HGH are overblown in the sense that taking it on its own doesn't really do much. It's combining it with steroids that brings about the side effects, both positive and negative.

[sek69]

Steroids can be used safely, or at least with the risks minimized, if used properly. The issue is that in wrestling especially guys just continue to use the stuff without giving their bodies a break. Most athletes in sports that use enhancement drugs usually space out their cycles more, or at least try to peak them in sync with the time their sport is in season. Wrestlers never give their bodies a break from the constant stream of drugs, which causes their system to more or less short circuit.

[rovert]

Best recap of the Rey situation Ive seen:

http://www.cagesideseats.com/2012/4/28/298...er-10-weeks-ago

[Slasher]

Honestly how can anyone trot out the bingo card and then try to paint WWE as some shady organization out to get poor little Rey? Sure the WWE manipulates events to get what they want, but seriously. A failed test is a failed test. Rey don't like it? Stop doing drugs.

[Victator]

Really WWE only fucked themselves doing this. Because either

 

1.Rey can pretty much do what he wants, because he will be protected from a third strike.

 

2. He gets the third strike and Rey still makes a lot of money in Mexico and TNA. While WWE loses one of their top faces.

[rzombie1988]

Honestly how can anyone trot out the bingo card and then try to paint WWE as some shady organization out to get poor little Rey? Sure the WWE manipulates events to get what they want, but seriously. A failed test is a failed test. Rey don't like it? Stop doing drugs.

Well, there's others that do it who don't get punished(most of the roster) and let's face it, Rey at his normal weight would not even be looked at as someone they would hire or push. If Rey was at his normal 130lb weight, he wouldn't be anything in WWE.

[sek69]

Honestly how can anyone trot out the bingo card and then try to paint WWE as some shady organization out to get poor little Rey? Sure the WWE manipulates events to get what they want, but seriously. A failed test is a failed test. Rey don't like it? Stop doing drugs.

 

When the test happens in February, he says no when they ask him to wrestle at Mania, and then the failure is announced in April....well it's easy to come up with theories painting WWE as shady whether they actually were or not.

 

At the very least, it seems kind of a dick move to test a guy who's been out of action for a while and would be so for several months afterward. If he was planning to return soon, fine. But all he did was to visit when Raw was in San Diego and they presented him with a test as soon as he walked in the door.

[Slasher]

Rey is still a contracted employee thus WWE is free to test whenever they want. Dick move or not, if Rey steps into a WWE arena as an employee, active or not, he is free game. Sure the motivation to test him then is shitty but please don't let a legitimate failed test get lost in translation. If the WWE doctored the sample then I am with the outrage, but it is probably not, so I have to side with WWE here legally speaking. People need to stop bringing up Mason Ryan and etc because they have nothing to do with Rey. If someone and I smoked pot and thry popped me for it, it does me no good to say "But the guy with me was doing it too!"

[cm funk]

Eddie should not be exhibit A for the risks of HGH or steroid use, lol

 

The guy was an alcoholic who abused drugs for more than a decade, had a few near death experiences in the process, and when he got "clean" he was still loaded up on muscle relaxers and painkillers, as well as still using steroids/HGH

 

There were multiple stress factors on his body that contributed to his death. To say, "he did HGH and steroids therefore his heart exploded" is just dumb

 

Knowing what we know now about him, it's amazing he lived as long as he did. His "rebirth" tacked a few extra years onto his life, but the damage to his body had already been done

 

Eddie Guerrero would seriously be the one of the last names I'd talk about when discussing proper use/risk of HGH or steroids, too many variables to make his case relevant

[rzombie1988]

Rey is still a contracted employee thus WWE is free to test whenever they want. Dick move or not, if Rey steps into a WWE arena as an employee, active or not, he is free game. Sure the motivation to test him then is shitty but please don't let a legitimate failed test get lost in translation. If the WWE doctored the sample then I am with the outrage, but it is probably not, so I have to side with WWE here legally speaking. People need to stop bringing up Mason Ryan and etc because they have nothing to do with Rey. If someone and I smoked pot and thry popped me for it, it does me no good to say "But the guy with me was doing it too!"

If you don't see that 3/4 of the roster or more is obviously on something then I would suggest getting your eyes checked.

[Mad Dog]

Honestly how can anyone trot out the bingo card and then try to paint WWE as some shady organization out to get poor little Rey? Sure the WWE manipulates events to get what they want, but seriously. A failed test is a failed test. Rey don't like it? Stop doing drugs.

I agree and disagree.

 

A failed test is a failed test and Rey should get off of whatever he's on if he doesn't like it.

 

But I think it's shady as fuck that they sat on the results for 10 weeks and would've happily let Rey work Mania without telling anyone he failed the test. And from there I have to question if he would've been suspended at all if he came back. This makes me question how loosely they play with their test results and if lower card guys and guys that piss them off are the only people at risk of failure.

[cm funk]

Between his injuries, steroid use, painkiller use and history Rey is in the highest risk bracket, and the WWE office knows it

 

It's BS to pop him when he shows up backstage to watch a show, when other guys are allowed to go on TV every week while clearly juicing themselves to the gills with one substance or another, but it is what it is.

 

Rey is rich/smart enough to get the designer shit that can't be detected anyway, and he basically lives in the hub of the drug trade, he should have known better. He works for WWE, he should have known better.

 

Rey should probably just be retired at this point, but we all know that isn't going to happen

[NintendoLogic]

Eddy's death certificate specifically mentioned steroids.

[cm funk]

Eddy's death certificate specifically mentioned steroids.

It mentioned steroids because it was in his bloodsystem when he died

 

They could have mentioned the ham sandwich he ate that night after they dissected his stomach

 

Did it also mention the 15 years of abusing alcohol and painkillers?

 

Of course steroids were a factor in his death, but that doesn't make it an indictment. Steroids can be used responsibly, same as anything. Eddie was not responsible in his life.

[Mad Dog]

I think the steroids played a big part in Eddie's death but I agree, you can't leave out the boozing and pill popping when you talk about his death.

[Slasher]

Rey is still a contracted employee thus WWE is free to test whenever they want. Dick move or not, if Rey steps into a WWE arena as an employee, active or not, he is free game. Sure the motivation to test him then is shitty but please don't let a legitimate failed test get lost in translation. If the WWE doctored the sample then I am with the outrage, but it is probably not, so I have to side with WWE here legally speaking. People need to stop bringing up Mason Ryan and etc because they have nothing to do with Rey. If someone and I smoked pot and thry popped me for it, it does me no good to say "But the guy with me was doing it too!"

If you don't see that 3/4 of the roster or more is obviously on something then I would suggest getting your eyes checked.

 

 

Again, who cares? If they ever get suspended, then I will say the same thing I am saying about Rey. It is disingenious to shield Rey from blame while taking WWE to task on this. It takes two to tango here. If Rey doesn't like it, stop juicing and stop giving them valid excuses to punish him. Simple as that. Look at the bingo card, one square says "But everyone else is doing it!", and you are falling into that trap.

[NintendoLogic]

It mentioned steroids because it was in his bloodsystem when he died

No, they were mentioned as the cause of death. Heart failure due to prolonged use of steroids and other drugs. His problems with substance abuse contributed to the stress on his heart, but they didn't cause it to be grossly enlarged.

[cm funk]

It mentioned steroids because it was in his bloodsystem when he died

No, they were mentioned as the cause of death. Heart failure due to prolonged use of steroids and other drugs. His problems with substance abuse contributed to the stress on his heart, but they didn't cause it to be grossly enlarged.

 

Steroids were in his blood, he had an enlarged heart, they put 2 and 2 together. He was obviously a steroid abuser, that's not complicated math.

 

The cause of his death was not steroids just because that's what was written down on the autopsy. The guy was abusing his body for years in a multitude of ways. Steroids did not kill Eddie Guerrero.

 

The original question raised in this thread was whether or not steroids should/should not be illegal, and can they be used safely. Eddie Guerrero is an extreme case to raise.

[goc]

If Rey came back totally clean off steroids and HGH they wouldn't put him on TV.

[rzombie1988]

If Rey came back totally clean off steroids and HGH they wouldn't put him on TV.

Exactly.

[kjh]

It really questions the randomness of the testing if Rey shows up backstage one day when WWE management is already disgruntled with him and he's told to take a test straight away. He was probably long overdue a test, but I don't think other part timers like Undertaker or Triple H would get the same treatment. Which is the problem here. There's nothing wrong with Rey being suspended for amphetamines if he gets popped for it. What's wrong is the many guys who are likely popped for similar stuff that we never hear about because Vince McMahon pressures his doctors to accept their excuses.

[Jingus]

Rey wouldn't have been an employee in the first place without doing drugs. Steroids and/or HGH to give him enough enough bulk and size to appease McMahon's obsession with muscular mass. Steroids to help recover from injuries faster. Prescription painkillers to dull the chronic agony Oscar Gutierrez suffers in every moment of his waking life as a direct result of his flashy crowd-popping style of wrestling. Uppers and downers to wake up and go to sleep regularly in the chaotic, arbitrary, unpredictable schedule of road travel. The WWE knows all this, they've known it since the beginning. They chose to overlook it whenever Rey was in their good graces. They chose to reveal it when they're unhappy with him.

 

Also: I personally don't give a fuck if guys do steroids or not. Personal choice, nobody held a gun to their head and forced them to become pro wrestlers in the first place. But to claim that they're as harmless as cm funk is claiming here? C'mon, man. Look at the life expectencies of wrestlers before juicing became common, and compare it to now. Is it a coincidence that so many roided-up stars from the 80s and later have dropped dead prematurely from heart attacks? Yes, recreational abuse of other drugs definitely takes its toll, but let's not pretend that the massive level of hormone injections haven't had an effect.

 

edit: Didn't he claim his first strike was due to a prescription running out while he was on an overseas tour and not being able to get it renewed prior to being tested?

Yeah, but it was basically a "dog ate my homework" excuse. He was speaking to a Mexican newspaper iirc, and it's not like the Mexican fans are gonna believe a gringo corporation's word over that of a guy like Mysterio who is practically a national hero.

 

Vince clearly favors big guys over small guys in hiring and pushes, and probably favors pushing cut guys over non-cut guys, but some of that may be overblown. Vince loves big guys, but I think height and hair are two things he notices just as much -- if not more -- than muscles.

Height is really just the other side of the coin from muscular size; Vince likes guys who are big all over, period. But the hair thing is odd, because it's kinda been going away. Why do so many WWE wrestlers nowadays have such boring haircuts?

 

One problem is that it's going beyond athletics. Movie stars, musicians who are appearing shirtless on magazine covers are using it too. Vince marketing the body type to children is one thing, but virtually every segment of the entertainment industry is doing it too.

That's very true. The public in general is remarkably ignorant towards steroid use by actors and other performers. Do they really think that Ben Stiller just pounded weights and ate a bunch of lean meat in order to look like he did in Tropic Thunder?

[Gregor]

It really questions the randomness of the testing if Rey shows up backstage one day when WWE management is already disgruntled with him and he's told to take a test straight away. He was probably long overdue a test, but I don't think other part timers like Undertaker or Triple H would get the same treatment. Which is the problem here. There's nothing wrong with Rey being suspended for amphetamines if he gets popped for it. What's wrong is the many guys who are likely popped for similar stuff that we never hear about because Vince McMahon pressures his doctors to accept their excuses.

I'm pretty sure that HHH isn't subject to the wellness policy.