Mad Dog Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 I love old time posters. It's a bummer I never caught WWC on TV when I was in Puerto Rico for a vacation in the late 90s. I used to love catching local wrestling when I would travel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Ya'll stop trying to throw off my man El Boricua from getting caught up in the fantasy project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Dog Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Please. I'm going to be annoying the hell out of him when I start digging into WWC footage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smack2k Posted October 8, 2015 Report Share Posted October 8, 2015 Â Boricua, Â Could you do a write-up on Eric Embry's time and feuds / angles in Puerto Rico? Â LOVED the podcast with Kris Z and Dylan by the way...AMAZING.....you stopped my AWA / AJPW watching dead in its tracks and turned me back to WWC watching!!! Â Thanks! Embry is one of the guys I had thought of doing a write-up for and actually did some prep work for it when I was putting out the feud write-ups in this thread. If I can get some time in the coming weeks I'll see if i can do it. Â Â Great to hear...really looking forward to it... Â Watched the Colon / Valentine 1991 Cage Match last night and holy shit did I love it...just a fight...no frills, no holds, just a blood bath in a cage. Valentine still had the goods for a dog fight in 91 that's for sure and LOTS of blood made it even better. Ending was bad, but that ending happens a lot in cage matches...Still getting more and more into WWC, but its different (at least in this match, not sure if they all are) how the cage isnt right up against the ropes like you'd see in Crockett / AWA / WWF / etc. There looks to be a good foot and a half between the ropes and the cage. Is that standard? Â Did those two have an extended feud and are there any of their earlier matches pre cage worth tracking down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Farmer Posted October 12, 2015 Report Share Posted October 12, 2015 Here are a few answers or comments to the questions above in no particular order. Â They switched from calling it the World Title to the Universal Title in 1982. Colon pinned Flair in a match that was billed as for the WWC "World" Title in October (16th) of 1982, Flair's NWA World Title was not on the line. Â Perro Aguayo was the WWC Junior Heavyweight Champion taking the title from Jerry Brisco some time in January of 1983. He did defend the championship a few times on the Island. I know of one match where he defeated Ron Starr at least once (May 14th 1983). Anibal was also WWC Junior Heavyweight Champion losing it to Invader III on the Island. Â Carlos Colon made a few appearances in Mexico for Franicisco Flores. The photo above was from August 22, 1982. As you can tell from the photos above it drew a decent crowd, but some may question why it wasn't full. This card at El Toreo ran head to head with another card promoted by Francisco Flores, which so happened to be the second leg of a three show tour celebrating the retirement of EL SANTO (which sold out and set a gate record at the Sports Palace)! That card at Palacio de los Deportes which was about 15 to 20 minutes away from El Toreo, plus EMLL was running cards that day at nearby Arena Mexico AND Arena Coliseo. Â Colon appeared a week before that this time teaming with Ray Mendoza losing to Perro Aguayo and Abdullah the Butcher. This card either sold out or nearly sold out El Toreo going head to head with a card at Palacio headlined with a mask versus hair match where Villano III took El Texano's hair and Scorpio beat Abdullah Tamba (or el Volador Elefante) in a hair versus hair match. (which also drew a huge crowd!) Â Speaking of Santo, way back during the infancy of WWC El Santo made a couple appearances while filming a movie in Puerto Rico that drew tremendous crowds including WWC first card at Juan Ramon Loubriel Stadium in Bayamon. Santo teamed with Carlos Colon and wrestled Barrabas and Rebelde Rojo. This was during a time when WWC's was hot and cold, but this match drew a huge crowd! Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Farmer Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 I think there was an informal working agreement with LLI in the early 80's since the Mexican wrestlers that would come over for short stints or semi regular appearances all worked for LLI. Others that came over for notable stints were Scorpio, Mr. Tempest (have no clue who he is, may have been someone known under identity) and Tamba. If one could find results it might give a clearer picture of who came over. It might have been a case that not all of them were interested in appearing in Puerto Rico (although without results it is tough to gauge if any of them actually made a weekend shot appearance at some point) Â In the case of Aguayo, he was billed as the Junior heavyweight champion, so it's very likely his appearances would not be opposite Carlos Colon or invader 1. I know there's a picture of a card lineup from I think fall of 83 that features Aguayo vs. Gama Singh in the ad. Â Â Â Â Â El Boricua do you recall what Month and Year the above clippings are from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Boricua Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 Â I think there was an informal working agreement with LLI in the early 80's since the Mexican wrestlers that would come over for short stints or semi regular appearances all worked for LLI. Others that came over for notable stints were Scorpio, Mr. Tempest (have no clue who he is, may have been someone known under identity) and Tamba. If one could find results it might give a clearer picture of who came over. It might have been a case that not all of them were interested in appearing in Puerto Rico (although without results it is tough to gauge if any of them actually made a weekend shot appearance at some point) Â In the case of Aguayo, he was billed as the Junior heavyweight champion, so it's very likely his appearances would not be opposite Carlos Colon or invader 1. I know there's a picture of a card lineup from I think fall of 83 that features Aguayo vs. Gama Singh in the ad. Â Â Â Â Â El Boricua do you recall what Month and Year the above clippings are from? Â Don't have dates for them, but my best guess is that the top left and bottom two ones are from Fall of 1983 (likely October or November). Â The top right one is from the latter half of 1984, definitely from some point after early August but not sure when. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pantherwagner Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 Perro Aguayo was the WWC Junior Heavyweight Champion taking the title from Jerry Brisco some time in January of 1983.  Damn. How come I never knew that? (well... I'm sure that at some point I have known and then completely forgotten)  That card at Palacio de los Deportes which was about 15 to 20 minutes away from El Toreo  Not in Mexico City traffic. It's about 50 mins by metro and a bit more or a bit less depending on traffic.  Your point stands though. It was common back then that superfans would watch whichever card started first and then rush to the second building to watch the main events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted October 13, 2015 Report Share Posted October 13, 2015 Perro Aguayo vs. Jerry Brisco is a pretty wacky pairing that I really wish was on tape. Aguayo vs. Ron Starr sounds like it could have been a whole lot of fun too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Farmer Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 Maybe I've seen results with John Quinn in Puerto Rico before but never really took it in. He traveled all over the world. I like to see a record book of 'Big' John. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grendel Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Oh my god! This thread is just plain awesome! It is a great read and it really puts over WWC, IMO. After going through this thread and listening to the Carlos Colon HOF podcast at The Place to be Nation, I really hope the DVDVR Puerto Rico set will NOT be a mini set, but a normal set. This promotion needs its place in history, and I sure hope all involved in the making of this set are putting this in consideration. Thanx Dylan and El Boricua for the history lessons. I hope your contributions to this thread will go an and keep this alive. And we need another podcast on Puerto Rico for sure! Keep up the good work! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Farmer Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 Colon is one of those names that forever I couldn't figure out why other voters could not see how Hall of Fame worthy he is. Of course I understand and accept all of his the downsides associated with him. With that said the numbers he produced are just remarkable. I also dismiss those that think of him as a "bad worker." The guy had many great matches and was involved so many cool angels, he definetly deserves it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 I figure it comes down to one of three things: Â Â 1. The Brody situation, Not only the murder but how Invader was turned babyface after, left a bad taste in pretty much everyone's mouth of that era. I think time and worse situations like Benoit have tempered things. Â 2. Carlos kept wrestling way long after his prime, and younger voters may not have any other frame of reference for him other than washed up old guy trying to turn back the clock. Â 3. A lot of voters seemed really dead set on the "he didn't draw outside of PR" argument, which seems odd since you could say that about a lot of stars in the territory era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Farmer Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 Yup like I said I understand the critism. But the positives way out weigh those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrisZ Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 One word......Brody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Farmer Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Okay now that Carlos Colon is in. Who wants to start pushing to get Invader I on the ballot? He was the number two biggest star on the island and at times as big of a draw as Colon, and could be at times a darn good wrestler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Farmer Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Of course I'm kidding, there is no way he'll get any support. Â Â Now let's get back to talking about Puerto Rico and it's history! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goc Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Did Dave say WHY he was doing away with the AUSTRALIA/PACIFIC ISLANDS/CARIBBEAN category now that Carlos Colon got voted in? The decision seems like the category even existing was designed to around helping or hurting Colon get voted in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sek69 Posted November 14, 2015 Report Share Posted November 14, 2015 Not a historical question, but does anyone know who the masked La Revelucion guys are? WWC seems to have such a limited talent pool these days that I always assume new masked guys are someone already with the company repackaged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Farmer Posted November 24, 2015 Report Share Posted November 24, 2015 Someone took the time to put together a cool set of Stan Hansen/Carlos Colon matches. In the subject box they put the dates for the matches too. Â https://youtu.be/FgGxUo90kC0 Â Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smack2k Posted November 28, 2015 Report Share Posted November 28, 2015 Sorry to change directions here, but have a question for Boricua / Dylan / anyone else with good Puerto Rico knowledge: Â What is the storyline behind the "Original TNT (Action Jackson)" and TNT (Savio Vega)? Was Jackson TNT, then maybe left, and then Vega took the character, followed by Jackson returning and claiming it? Â Curious how this feud worked... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Farmer Posted February 12, 2016 Report Share Posted February 12, 2016 Hey everyone, I started a Puerto Rico & Caribbean wrestling history group on Facebook. Feel free to join the group so we can discuss wrestling on the islands! Â https://www.facebook.com/groups/456473817891680/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Farmer Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Again if people are reading this thread, check out the facebook link I posted. There's some great discussions about Puerto Rico going on there. We even have some former wrestlers who worked often in Puerto Rico posting including Chris Youngblood, Gino Dellaserra, Bart Batten, and Ron Starr. Â I know I've had some questions cleared up for me already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Farmer Posted February 21, 2016 Report Share Posted February 21, 2016 I posted this clipping on my History of Puerto Rico wrestling Facebook page. Â This card went head to head with the WWF card we've seen where Hulk Hogan wrestles Big John Studd in a rainstorm. Also Vince brought in Cyndi Lauper to manage Wendi Richter. So they brought in all the top draws. Â Â One of the contributors to the site is Chris Romero aka Chris Youngblood. This took place about a month after the death of his brother Jay Youngblood. He wrote this about memories of this night. Â "Wow, very dearest and special to me, at the ripe old age of 18 and right after Jay past, Mark handing Jays Halliburton suitcase and booking sheet, "you have to fill these Moccasins, he would have wanted you to", a month and a half after Jay passed, my first major match top spot in WWC against the Pastores/the Sheepherders, where we drew more fans than the WWF and Hulk Hogan with a loaded card, can't believe my name was in the upper echelon!!! Great piece of fact to think we out drew The WWF, WWC was one of the last strongholds to last against WWF until the death of Bruiser Brody!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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