JerryvonKramer Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 Haven't heard much talk about this. I got this from the KM boards: Here is the content list DISC 1 MAIN FEATURE Documentary Chapters Run Time- 2 hours Chapters Big Jim Crockett, Sr. Tag Teams John Ringley George Scott Valentine and Wahoo Plane Crash Mid-Atlantic Championship Wrestling Rotating Bookers Dusty Gets the Job TBS Four Horsemen Magnum TA National Expansion Starrcade '87 What Happened Legacy of Jim Crockett Promotions BONUS FEATURES Mid-Atlantic Memories David Crockett Stories DISC 2 SPECIAL FEATURES and BOUNS MATERIAL George Pantas Match Footage George Pantas The Dusty Finish Clash of Champions Crockett Cup Great American Bash US Title JJ Dillon's Crib Jim Cornette's Crib Fanfest Promo Kickstarter Promo 1 Kickstarter Promo 2 BONUS INTERVIEW MATERIAL FROM: Ole Anderson Paul Jones Jackie Crockett JJ Dillon Magnum TA Tommy Young Masked Superstar DISC 3 BONUS MATERIAL INTERVIEW BONUS MATERIAL FROM: Baby Doll Tully Blanchard Jimmy Valiant Ronnie Garvin Rock-n-Roll Express Ivan Koloff Jim Cornette Don Kernodle The Entire Jim Crockett Interview I think I will have to get this when it comes out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smack2k Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 I will pick this up...the WWE's Crockett stuff was vague.. This, along with teh NWA Documentary (History and Tradition) that was done will give a nice look at that area... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickHithouse Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 Looks like a must-have. When exactly will it be available (for those of us too lazy to look ourselves). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
victory Posted July 26, 2013 Report Share Posted July 26, 2013 Looks like a must-have. When exactly will it be available (for those of us too lazy to look ourselves). I believe it comes out next weekend to kind of coincide with the NWA fanfest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted July 27, 2013 Report Share Posted July 27, 2013 Just set this up, but it looks like the filmmaker Michael Elliot will be doing Wrestling Culture with me and Dave tomorrow morning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted July 27, 2013 Report Share Posted July 27, 2013 Dave and I just finished up with Michael about forty minutes ago. Really fun interview. His story on how he was finally able to get the Crockett's to speak on camera is pretty great. http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkC...2658&cmd=tc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smack2k Posted July 27, 2013 Report Share Posted July 27, 2013 VERY NICE!! Cant wait to hear this one... GREAT WORK GUYS!!!...as always....could this one beat the USWA Texas one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JazeUSA Posted July 27, 2013 Report Share Posted July 27, 2013 Dave and I just finished up with Michael about forty minutes ago. Really fun interview. His story on how he was finally able to get the Crockett's to speak on camera is pretty great. http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkC...2658&cmd=tc Great stuff, Im definitely getting this, already pre-ordered it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 Michael just sent along the latest trailer he's done, which includes some brief glimpses of the footage with the Crockett's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Log Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 How do they get around footage in this? Doesn't WWE own all of Crockett's stuff? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dylan Waco Posted July 30, 2013 Report Share Posted July 30, 2013 How do they get around footage in this? Doesn't WWE own all of Crockett's stuff? We cover that on the podcast, but basically there is handheld footage from a fan that they were able to use Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted August 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 Excited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickHithouse Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 Awesome cover. Highspots seems to have stepped up their game with the "eye candy". Can't wait to watch this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted August 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 Just watched it. I'm not going to be effusive with praise, honestly think it is a mixed bag. More thoughts later once I've gathered them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 I ordered mine today. On his podcast Meltzer called it a must have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted August 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 It is definitely a "must have", but ... well, I'll share some thoughts in a bit. There are also a ton of extras I've not digged into. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 Meltzer seemed real impressed with the Flair/Steamboat clips, along with Johnny Valentine. He said Jim Crockett came across as the star of the doc. Even though he lost some cred when he said after JCP sold he had nothing to do with wrestling. He also points out the doc destroys the myth of the bookkeeper was over his head and didn't give them enough notice of the money problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted August 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 I don't know about "destroys the myth", plenty of guys point to him except for the Crocketts themselves. I'll need to listen to that Meltzer show now, which means having to endure at least 5 minutes of Alvarez. Some of the unearthed footage looked pretty exciting, and Valentine is put over pretty strong as an important guy. I'm going to try to put together some spoiler-free semi-reviewish thoughts and maybe we can talk more after you've seen it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 Sounds good . Did you pick up the Crockett book covering 77-80? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrickHithouse Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 Where is the book offered and do you think it's worth buying (if you've read it)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted August 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 No, Highspots are currently charging UK customers over $60 in shipping just for single items, so I had to go via their UK-based proxy and they are selling everything for over-the-odds prices. I was a bit annoyed because HS were doing a great deal on Meltzer's books where you could pick up both Tributes books plus Top 100 Wrestlers for $4!! But then they wanted $80+ for shipping. I will say though -- to answer jdw's question from before -- that Mid-Atlantic Gateway get "before the title" thanks on the doc so I'm guessing that's why the stuff is not on the site anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoe Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 Where is the book offered and do you think it's worth buying (if you've read it)? It's offered at Highspots. I ordered it. It kinda sounds like a scrapbook with results, posters, etc in it. Theirs also one that Mooneyham just did over at crowbar press which I hear are reprints of old articles he's done along with interviews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerryvonKramer Posted August 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 The Good - They don't skip over the Crockett Sr years. It didn't feel tremendously substantive and I'm not sure it reveals anything we didn't already know, but we get a decent picture of the man and his promotion. - Things really pick up in the last 30 minutes. You can actually pinpoint it: the moment Ron Garvin makes his first contribution. The last 30 minutes -- a dissection of "what went wrong" -- are really fantastic. What makes this section really compelling is that all the interviewees are not on the same page, as they go through each of the factors. Kinda reminded me a little bit of our big debate over the decline of Mid-South. Speaking of which, the handling of the UWF takeover and the booking of Starrcade 87 in Chicago are treated in some depth. - Of all the guys interviewed, George South was surprisingly lucid, he added a hell of a lot more than, say, Jimmy Valiant. - Every time Ivan Koloff talks and isn't Russian. - When he had to go to old shoots from Flair and Dusty, it tended to be super-relevant and generally seamless. - Jim Crockett Jr in general. He's very candid, unromantic in his assessment and I have a feeling that the full interview is likely going to be better than the doc itself. - David Crockett seemed a little more opinionated and obviously hasn't left the business behind in his mind the same as his brother has. Good contributions though, his take isn't always the same as everyone else's. - Jackie Crockett's contributions were also pretty good. - The footage. But it did seem sparse, because they kept going back to the same Dusty vs. Piper match again and again, but some of the Wahoo vs. Andersons 70s stuff looked insanely good. - They covered the period of George Scott's time in charge in good detail and this was the section during which I felt I learned the most that I didn't know before, especially the stuff about John Ringley. - Jim Cornette's office wall and JJ Dillon's office wall. You'll see what I mean. The Bad - Feels harsh to knock him, since he did a tremendous job in securing the interviews and even getting a documentary like this out which is of great value to me the wrestling fan. However, this does have quite an amateurish feel in the production, editing and general direction. Some of the directorial decisions made me scratch my head a bit: there's a bed of soft country or cheesy keyboards under the whole thing, completely unnecessary and distracting. The talking heads are shot with a "soft focus" frame, which couldn't look tackier. Some of the sections consist of 8 or 9 different people saying exactly the same thing, which is an editing technique used in docs I'm not fond of. This sounds like a burial, but I do think the material could have been weaved together more deftly. I also think there is a tonal inconsistency, where the film can't quite decide what it wants to be -- Ole Anderson doesn't help here, naturally. - The post-Scott period during which Dory Funk Jr was booking is kinda skipped over, as are the NWA politics and Flair becoming world champ. We skip from Steamboat vs. Flair in the 70s to Final Conflict. This could be because this stuff is dealt with by the National Wrestling Alliance documentary (which you can get for download at HS for $10), but I was a bit disappointed because I recall having some interesting exchanges with Dylan about Flair's transition to World Champ and its significance for the promotion and was keen to get some perspectives. It wasn't really discussed. - There are also moments where different guys talk about business being up or down or recovering when it hasn't actually been established in the narrative thread that business did go down, or when exactly it did. We're told that business was down in 84, but it seems like it was also down some time in the late 70s. This was fuzzy and I would have liked greater clarity on it. The Ugly - Plenty of Robert Gibson ------------ Don't get me wrong, this is really good, but I do think it could have been better. I haven't watched any of the bonus interviews or extras yet, but I can imagine it's going to really fun to go through. The DVD packaging is also really nice. There's basically NO reason not to get this if you have an interest in JCP or just wrestling history in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted August 15, 2013 Report Share Posted August 15, 2013 JVK echos a lot of my thoughts on this. Haven't listened to what Dave said yet. It would be a MUCH different documentary without the Crockett brothers being interviewed. It was interesting how different they were: Jim put most of it past him (but it was very weird he pretended his '93-'95 run didn't exist) and felt like the definitive authority, David was still bitter (similar to how he was in WWE's WCW doc) but provided good insight as well, and Jackie was not only not bitter, but had the most well rounded viewpoint since he's clearly the biggest wrestling fan and stuck with WCW through the end. The post-production is far inferior to say, Barbed Wire City, even though so much of BWC was shot old older equipment. I absolutely hated the artificial blur/faux soft focus that was on all of the talking heads (except Valiant for some reason), the blown up low res photos, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JazeUSA Posted August 16, 2013 Report Share Posted August 16, 2013 Sounds good . Did you pick up the Crockett book covering 77-80?I did, basically its a results & newspaper add scrap book Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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