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[anarchistxx]

when a simple nut shot and pedigree are enough to put out 500-pound Viscera in under a minute, yet it takes three of them and a sledgehammer shot to put out 56-year old Ric Flair.

Viscrea has been portrayed like a jobber. Flair has been portrayed as a driven legend, despertae to get his own back to HHH, and prove that he 'still has it'. If your theory was correct, Viscera would be Main-Eventing PPV's, I suppose it would give you something else to complain about at least.

 

How about...oh, no one? Rey is hot right now, no one on that team should be going over him in any manner. If they had to keep him from winning in the match, they could have booked a countout or something instead of having to repair Shawn's ego after that damaging loss on a tribue show.

The bottom line is, WWE wanted to put over Orton. He has been booked as stronger than Mysetrio, and he is the one in line for the future push. If there had been a count-out you would have complained about WWE not running a proper pinfall or submission finish. It's hardly going to lessen Rey's credibility, losing to the man who has beaten everyone on the entire roster. Add to that that it was a multi-man match, and the fact that Rey went over HBK clean on Raw just a couple of weeks back, then Rey loses nothing. Had HBK lost, he would have lost a lot of credibility, being pinned clean by Rey Mysterio in two straight matches, a man who was jobbing to talent such as Spike Dudley as recently as last year.

 

Probably because Guerrero had jobbed to him on four consecutive PPVs, as opposed to a totally worthless job on a tribute show on free TV.

I'm sure Mysterio didn't see the job as worthless. On the contrary, I'm sure he would have been thankful he was getting the rub from a legend such as HBK.

 

The bottom line is, whoever HBK is booked to defeat, you will always claim he has an alterior motive. Despite all the reports he's changed, the reports that he's apologized for his actions in the past, the fact that he's put over HHH, Chris Jericho, Randy Orton, Ric Flair, Chris Benoit, Kurt Angle and many others since his return. That's most of the main event roster.

[Guest Some Guy]

when a simple nut shot and pedigree are enough to put out 500-pound Viscera in under a minute, yet it takes three of them and a sledgehammer shot to put out 56-year old Ric Flair.

Viscrea has been portrayed like a jobber. Flair has been portrayed as a driven legend, despertae to get his own back to HHH, and prove that he 'still has it'. If your theory was correct, Viscera would be Main-Eventing PPV's, I suppose it would give you something else to complain about at least.

I agree with this. Vis is a bad example.

 

The point about who gets to kick out of the move still stands, however.

 

How about...oh, no one? Rey is hot right now, no one on that team should be going over him in any manner. If they had to keep him from winning in the match, they could have booked a countout or something instead of having to repair Shawn's ego after that damaging loss on a tribue show.

The bottom line is, WWE wanted to put over Orton. He has been booked as stronger than Mysetrio, and he is the one in line for the future push. If there had been a count-out you would have complained about WWE not running a proper pinfall or submission finish. It's hardly going to lessen Rey's credibility, losing to the man who has beaten everyone on the entire roster. Add to that that it was a multi-man match, and the fact that Rey went over HBK clean on Raw just a couple of weeks back, then Rey loses nothing. Had HBK lost, he would have lost a lot of credibility, being pinned clean by Rey Mysterio in two straight matches, a man who was jobbing to talent such as Spike Dudley as recently as last year.

I discount the entire Raw match and really don't think that it had much if anything to do with the booking of the SS match. I think the plan all along was to have HBK go down 3-1 and then lose to Orton. They did the same thing in 2003.

 

Probably because Guerrero had jobbed to him on four consecutive PPVs, as opposed to a totally worthless job on a tribute show on free TV.

I'm sure Mysterio didn't see the job as worthless. On the contrary, I'm sure he would have been thankful he was getting the rub from a legend such as HBK.

I think Rey probably did appreciate the win in the match and HBK should be given credit where credit is due for actually doing the right thing on that show.

 

The bottom line is, whoever HBK is booked to defeat, you will always claim he has an alterior motive. Despite all the reports he's changed, the reports that he's apologized for his actions in the past, the fact that he's put over HHH, Chris Jericho, Randy Orton, Ric Flair, Chris Benoit, Kurt Angle and many others since his return. That's most of the main event roster.

He put Benoit, HHH, and Angle (albeit he got a win back and a tie to even out the feud) over. He jobbed to Orton, Flair, and Jericho. There is a big difference.

He also has jobbed to Edge and Hogan, but didn't put either over. He did put Goldberg over huge at Summerslam 03 in the Elimination Chamber match.

 

Arguing that HBK has put enoug people over in his ME career is not a good one to pick, even with me, "The worst kind of HBK mark."

[Guest Some Guy]

Maybe a topic on Lashley should be made? You can point out to me what he brings to the table other than being green and big. Try not to use the words "potential" or "develop."

OK, we are supposed to discuss a young pice of talent and are not allowed to talk about his potential and/or development? Makes sense.

[sek69]

For the record, I don't believe for a second that HBK is a changed man other than being smarter on when to throw his tantrums. His actions on RAW after putting over Hogan the day before speak volumes.

[Guest Some Guy]

For the record, I don't believe for a second that HBK is a changed man other than being smarter on when to throw his tantrums. His actions on RAW after putting over Hogan the day before speak volumes.

I don't really think he's changed. I think he has grown up to the point where he will cooperate more than he did before, but he is not exatly Mick Foley in terms of voluntarilly (or even reluctantnly) putting new talent over these days or even close.

 

It's too bad, that he still won't do what is best for business. He could have made Edge a star this year if he chose to, but he jobbed to him and then beat him 2 straight, as well as superkicking him on Raw the night after the job. Shit like that that shouldn't be allowed by Vince.

[Loss]

Lashley is a fresh face that the crowd hasn't shat on. That's enough reason right there to push him.

[Mad Dog]

For the record, I don't believe for a second that HBK is a changed man other than being smarter on when to throw his tantrums. His actions on RAW after putting over Hogan the day before speak volumes.

I've never bought into his "I'm a Christian" act at all. If he really was one he wouldn't be pulling the things he has.

[Guest SweetMama Scaat]

In regards to the Undertaker comment, he had been around for awhile. He'd already had the run as Mean Mark and was a Skyscrapper. WWF just gave him a new gimmick and a mouthpiece (Brother Love & DiBiase). Brock had Heyman to help get him over. Lashley is left to drown thus far.

 

 

Um, Lashley was in OVW for awhile. He didnt jus show up one morning saying "put me on Smackdown" and they went and put him on Smackdown. He was also a "real" wrestler in other situations. He was a champion in the military or somehting like that, his a respectable list of credentials, much like Brock actually. Even self proclaimed greatest wrestler in the galaxy Kurt Angle was high on the WWE bringing Lashley in.

 

Both Brock and Taker were heels, The undertaker was a an animated corpse and Brock sounded real goofy when he talked thats why they had managers. I dont know any faces who can talk and are given managers. Theyre pushing Lashley as a silent monster ala someone like Goldberg because its the easiest and most logical way to book him.

 

Lashley hasnt done anything for the fans to shit on him, is the thing. He hasnt said or done anything stupid backstage that we know of. He hast cut any bad promos. No moves were botched. The crowd is slowly but surely getting behind him

 

And what would you say, if your white friend said you can't call him Dave or whatever his name  is any more? If he said only his white friends could call him that? You'd call him racist, that's what. Smells like hypocrisy to me.

 

CJ's NAME isnt "nigga", son. Theres a difference.

[anarchistxx]

CJ's NAME isnt "nigga", son. Theres a difference.

Maybe that was a bad example, but if he came up with some other word for people to call him, and claimed it was for his white friends only, I'm sure you'd have something to say.

 

His actions on RAW after putting over Hogan the day before speak volumes.

HBK actually apologized for these actions to the creative team, and says he regretted it completely.

 

For the record, it wasn't anything to do with putting over Hogan, it was about being put in a feud with Chris Masters.

 

I'm not a HBK mark by any means, and I know he acted like a piece of shit in his first WWF run. II now accept that HBK has grown up, and out of that behaviour. He isn't even one of my favourite wrestlers, I just think he gets way too much flak of much of the IWC.

[sek69]

 

HBK actually apologized for these actions to the creative team, and says he regretted it completely.

 

He apologized because he caught shit for it.

 

 

 

For the record, it wasn't anything to do with putting over Hogan, it was about being put in a feud with Chris Masters.

 

 

He came out the day after jobbing to Hogan and basically called him a piece of shit. The Masters feud was a different tantrum.

 

 

I'm not a HBK mark by any means, and I know he acted like a piece of shit in his first WWF run. II now accept that HBK has grown up, and out of that behaviour. He isn't even one of my favourite wrestlers, I just think he gets way too much flak of much of the IWC.

 

 

I'll believe he's grown up when he stops having tantrums over doing jobs or being programmed with guys not HHH, and demanding that he gets every job back.

 

When HBK first came back and played well with others, I was thinking maybe he did turn a new leaf. Then he was back to his old ways (on a smaller scale admittedly) a few months later.

[Coffey]

I was actually in disbelief that HBK went over Carlito in their match on Raw. Admittedly, it was a lot better of a match than their first contest but that's not really a compliment since their first Raw match was the drizzling shits.