Guest teke184 Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Lawler's got a history of saying whatever he thinks will help him personally. To be fair, that's true for almost everyone in the industry. I do like how Ted DiBiase asks Dave Meltzer what he would have WWE do, like Dave hasn't been answering that question for the last 15 years. On a similar note I also liked how Ken Kennedy implied that Eddie Guerrero's death was solely due to his drug abuse in WCW like he magically became much more bulkier when he returned to WWE in 2002 than he had ever been before. The difference is that Lawler's traditionally been much more vocal than the average person in the business. That's because Lawler was a promoter and had a financial stake in how Memphis did, up until the mid-90s. (I'm still trying to remember how that USWA sale worked out so that Lawler got paid and was legally in the clear, yet the buyer got convicted in Federal court over swindling the investors on the deal...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 The difference is that Lawler's traditionally been much more vocal than the average person in the business. True, but there are plenty of people in the business like that who change their tune or shut up when Vince offers them work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cox Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 Funny. Lawler said recently for the UPN affiliate in Memphis that steroids are extremely rare in wrestling.Lawler's got a history of saying whatever he thinks will help him personally. Apparently, Lawler would go on Memphis TV in the 80s and early 90s talking about how the WWF guys were steroid freaks, homosexuals, etc. in order to knock their product and keep his afloat. That all changed when Vince brought him in as a commentator in 1993, although a lot of the boys didn't particularly like him much. (Depending on who you talk to, anyone between 3 people and the whole locker room filled Lawler's crown with a massive amount of shit on one or more occasions, with the only identified people being Undertaker and Steve Kiern.) The best "Jerry Lawler bashing the WWF before he got a job" moment was when Vince was trying to get wrestling deregulated in New Jersey in the 80's by claiming it was fake, and then the next week Lawler went on TV and said "See? Their wrestling is fake, but this is the real deal." Also, suing WWF over calling Harley Race the King of Wrestling is up there too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest teke184 Posted July 16, 2007 Report Share Posted July 16, 2007 This isn't definitely Lawler, but there was at least one case where Memphis had a "bomb scare" show when the WWF came to town because there was a grease fire at the Mid-South Coliseum and the 5:00 news in Memphis lead off with a teaser about "a fire at the Coliseum", not specifying that it was a minor fire which was quickly under control. The reason I don't claim it was Lawler directly is that there's a good chance it was the TV station that was carrying Memphis wrestling instead of Lawler or Jarrett themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted July 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/ap_newfu...ry.asp?ID=94982 The results of toxicology tests conducted on the body of former pro wrestler Chris Benoit will be revealed at a press conference Tuesday at 2:30 p.m., Georgia Bureau of Investigation spokesman John Bankhead said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchistxx Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 I'm astounded at the level of interest in this still. I really thought people would be totally bored and done with it by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted July 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 I'm astounded at the level of interest in this still. I really thought people would be totally bored and done with it by now. You're shocked that the biggest story in the history of the wrestling business, involving three deaths, would be gone after 3 weeks when new information was about to come in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 I'm glad this has remained a big story and shows no signs of dying down. Otherwise, the toxicology results would probably only be known by WON subscribers. Because the story faded away so quickly, there are still a surprising number of people out there who think Eddy Guerrero really was drug free at the time of his death. I think even the worst media coverage is of value, simply because the issue of premature deaths in pro wrestling needs to stay in the spotlight until some type of resolution is made, or WWE and TNA (and the indies) agree to change certain things about the way they do business going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anarchistxx Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 You're shocked that the biggest story in the history of the wrestling business, involving three deaths, would be gone after 3 weeks when new information was about to come in? Yeah. I rmember the Owen Hart death, and after about 2 weeks people stopped talking about it, same with Eddie, although in that case they all kept there mandatory RIP Eddie signartures for a couple of months. I was really interested the first week, but at the moment couldn't care less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted July 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 You're shocked that the biggest story in the history of the wrestling business, involving three deaths, would be gone after 3 weeks when new information was about to come in? Yeah. I rmember the Owen Hart death, and after about 2 weeks people stopped talking about it, same with Eddie, although in that case they all kept there mandatory RIP Eddie signartures for a couple of months. Those were not as big news stories as what happened 3 weeks ago and the fallout from it. I was really interested the first week, but at the moment couldn't care less.That's nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 I don't know why you'd care less now than then. Nancy and Daniel are every bit as dead as they were when the story broke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 I think even the worst media coverage is of value, simply because the issue of premature deaths in pro wrestling needs to stay in the spotlight until some type of resolution is made, or WWE and TNA (and the indies) agree to change certain things about the way they do business going forward.What are the indies supposed to do about it? Drug testing is WAY too expensive for them to even think about. In states where the athletic commission is real strict and requires every promotion to do extra stuff like have a doctor onsite at all times, there generally aren't any indy shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 I think even the worst media coverage is of value, simply because the issue of premature deaths in pro wrestling needs to stay in the spotlight until some type of resolution is made, or WWE and TNA (and the indies) agree to change certain things about the way they do business going forward.What are the indies supposed to do about it? Drug testing is WAY too expensive for them to even think about. In states where the athletic commission is real strict and requires every promotion to do extra stuff like have a doctor onsite at all times, there generally aren't any indy shows. They could start by not booking Jake Roberts if he demands crack to appear on a show, or not allowing dangerous stunts to be done in front of crowds of 50 people, or not booking WWE guys that get fired due to wellness violations (or any other known guys with problems), or not using veterans that like to stiff young guys to introduce them to the business, or not allowing guys that aren't properly trained to go out and take bumps. Indies could also do a lot to get the word out about the best and worst wrestling schools, to eventually nip the idea of scam trainers in the bud. There are a lot of things indies could do that wouldn't even cost them a lot of money to help clean up wrestling. It's up to WWE to set the example, but it's up to everyone else to follow it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted July 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 There's also not booking a wrestler with the gimmick of "LOL HES ON STERIODS LOL." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest teke184 Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 I think even the worst media coverage is of value, simply because the issue of premature deaths in pro wrestling needs to stay in the spotlight until some type of resolution is made, or WWE and TNA (and the indies) agree to change certain things about the way they do business going forward.What are the indies supposed to do about it? Drug testing is WAY too expensive for them to even think about. In states where the athletic commission is real strict and requires every promotion to do extra stuff like have a doctor onsite at all times, there generally aren't any indy shows. They could start by not booking Jake Roberts if he demands crack to appear on a show, or not allowing dangerous stunts to be done in front of crowds of 50 people, or not booking WWE guys that get fired due to wellness violations (or any other known guys with problems), or not using veterans that like to stiff young guys to introduce them to the business, or not allowing guys that aren't properly trained to go out and take bumps. Indies could also do a lot to get the word out about the best and worst wrestling schools, to eventually nip the idea of scam trainers in the bud. There are a lot of things indies could do that wouldn't even cost them a lot of money to help clean up wrestling. It's up to WWE to set the example, but it's up to everyone else to follow it. Has anyone ever substantiated Barry Blaustein's story of Jake holding up a wrestling promoter for crack in advance? The only related story I can remember was the late Dennis Corralluzo claiming that the Iron Sheik took a lower in-cash payoff if the promoter would give him some blow as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Toxicology's back. Benoit was on testosterone. Which is NOT the hormone Astin had prescribed for him. Raise your hand if you're surprised. So, how is the WWE gonna claim this isn't their fault now? Not a knock on them, a genuine question, cuz I'm pretty sure that will still be their stance. They could go with the "He was drug tested and came back clean, how were we supposed to know he was on the shit?" route, but that opens the possibility that maybe their tests aren't too fucking good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loss Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 WWE should really admit failure here. Denying a problem is just going to make it even worse than it already is. I know, I know ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World's Worst Man Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Maybe they'll take the route of some of their more brain dead fans and say "It's not a steroid!!! He was taking it because he had low testosterone levels!!" Is it normal for someone with low testosterone to take so much that their levels are ten times that which is normal? Nevermind the reason he has low testosterone in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Can someone remind me exactly what hormone Astin had Chris on? Cuz I'm pretty sure he didn't have a prescription for testosterone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjh Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 They'll point to the equivocating in the press conference, where the medical examiner stresses that they don't know exactly how much testerone Benoit was injecting, how frequently and for how long he took it and for what purposes he was taking it for. Yeah, yeah, Loss is right, the Nancy Grace's of the world aren't dumb enough to fall for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingus Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Can someone remind me exactly what hormone Astin had Chris on? Cuz I'm pretty sure he didn't have a prescription for testosterone.Nevermind, it was testosterone cypionate. That'll be the WWE's out, "He had a prescription! From a DOC-TOR! How were we supposed to know that this obvious candyman who'd had his license suspended in the past over writing improper prescriptions and was seeing a dozen of our own current and former employees was a fraud?!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bix Posted July 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Anyone know exactly what the 59:1 ratio was? Bryan Alvarez is sure it's T/E but other people think they heard it differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World's Worst Man Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Would T/E be the same thing that the WWE testing is supposed to measure? The 10:1 fail rate, and all that? If so, that's hilarious. Also, is the testosterone the stuff that was being prescribed in 10 month doses every 3-4 weeks? Or was that something else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxpower Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Does it matter what the toxicology says since the police found anabolic streroids in his house? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxpower Posted July 17, 2007 Report Share Posted July 17, 2007 Oh boy: The WWE has issued the following statement concerning the toxicology results on in the Chris Benoit case: WWE understands that the toxicology reports for Chris Benoit indicate that he tested positive for testosterone and negative for anabolic steroids. On Mr. Benoit's last drug test in April 2007 administered by Aegis Labs, he tested negative for anabolic steroids and for testosterone. Given the toxicology report of GBI released today, it would appear that Mr. Benoit took testosterone sometime after his April 2007 test and the time he died. WWE understands that his dealings with Dr. Astin are currently being investigated, and WWE has no knowledge of whether Dr. Astin prescribed testosterone for Mr. Benoit at some point after the April 2007 tests. For over 20 years, the WWE has been demonstrating our concern for the well being of our contracted athletes, instituting drug testing in 1987 leading up to our current Wellness Program which began on February 27, 2006, administered by Dr. David L. Black of Aegis Sciences Corporation - one of the world's foremost drug testing authorities. We believe our Wellness Program is at the very least comparable to those of professional sports and is a program that will benefit WWE Superstars for generations to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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