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Similar to our discussion about Jade, Lyra just isn't working. She's good in the ring, but she has the personality of dry toast. Maybe she would be better as a heel? Certainly couldn't be any worse at this point 

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Two things occurred to me watching the Ricky Saints/Ethan Page segment:

1. I totally forgot Ricky was in NXT, so that tells you how well this is working for him.

2. Page's group of douchebro guys from Evolve are already looking like they could be money one day.

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8 hours ago, sek69 said:

Two things occurred to me watching the Ricky Saints/Ethan Page segment:

1. I totally forgot Ricky was in NXT, so that tells you how well this is working for him.

He's still feuding with Ethan Page ?

I mean, I know this joke has been done before but... "This is Rampage baby ! This is the show ya'll be waiting for !"

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OK, El Grande Americano has gone all the way from stupid to a German guy pretending to be an American guy pretending to be a Mexican guy.

Also the company that bought AAA doing a bit where it's someone obviously different playing a masked character but the announcers are calling it bullshit is just  *chef's kiss*.

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So apparently, this past week's episode of RAW was the lowest rated of the "Netflix Era."

Call me crazy, but as somebody who watches the show every week, I can't help but notice the direct correlation between the fact that the episodes which heavily feature Seth Rollins (especially Seth Rollins promos and segments) tend to be less exciting to watch, and inevitably they are much more poorly received.  RAW had been on a bit of a roll, the last couple of episodes prior to this week were actually really good TV.  And then?  More Rollins, less good.  I think a good rule of thumb is that if you are forced to listen to that stupid Seth Rollins theme and the fans singing along with it more than once an episode, you're in for a bad show.

It doesn't help that Rollins is starting to get a bit of a Triple H vibe going.  The guys who are just underneath to him in the pecking order are basically being fed to him, and it kind of sucks.  He beat Penta in the Main Event of RAW this past week, and I really don't see LA Knight beating him on Saturday.  Both guys are very popular with the fans, but we all know what the result is going to be when they get fed to Rollins.

You can dress this dude up however you want, and put him with Heyman, and the hotter young talent as his henchmen, but I still don't think it makes Seth Rollins work.

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1 hour ago, sek69 said:

I wonder if Ricky Stark-Saints is second guessing his choices now that he's jobbing to the LFG winner on NXT TV. 

What choice?

AEW wasn't using him.

Staying there and continuing to ride the bench wasn't a viable option, other than monetarily, and that was only a short-term gain. 

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Clearly he fell out of favor, probably because he was very openly a Cody Guy, but he hasn't been setting the world on fire in WWE either. If I didn't know better it almost feels like when Vince would sign someone from the competition and then job them to to prove that this guys were better.

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2 hours ago, C.S. said:

What choice?

AEW wasn't using him.

Yeah. They weren't using him because he made clear he was jumping as soon as his contract ended. The choice was to actually stay in the promotion that had (over)pushed him times and times again despite his tendencies to kinda *cough* fumble (see what I did ?) on promos and big matches regularly. He's the one who refused to do business after they gave him the tag titles with a flash win on fucking FTR of all people. He did not want to have that feud with Big Bill, he did not want to be a heel. He was obviously a pain in the ass and then made clear he was jumping. The idea that he did not have a choice is nonsensical. He made his own bed.

2 hours ago, sek69 said:

Clearly he fell out of favor, probably because he was very openly a Cody Guy, but he hasn't been setting the world on fire in WWE either. 

Maybe people have overstated the whole "Cody guy" thing and what it means. Cody is not the booker. 

Maybe there's something about all those people who were the biggest Ricky Starks fan ever when he was "held hostage by evil billionnaire Tony Khan" and who love to chant "Tony fumbled" (as oppose to ya know, supporting the actual worker doing his thing) don't care that much for him in the end and are getting tired of this toy now that Blake Monroe showed up... Just a thought... 

I must say, the fact that on All In week-end he was having yet another match against Ethan Page (a purefire Rampage match in AEW lore) in front of a barely sold out Center Stage, in an event no one talked about because of WWE's pettiness and their willingness to throw their own people under the bus, is quite ironic.

Also this : Ricky Starks was always overrated by people. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed him, back from his NWA days. But he never had those great performances AEW is built on (apart from the Danielson matches, but this is basically saying Private Party had those great performances with Young Bucks). He was not *that* great of a promo guy either, he had the tendency to ramble about a whole not of nothing. He also never sustained his push in term of being over. 

In WWE he's a shorter guy who looks kinda like Dwayne who killed his own bargaining power by making sure he only had one option.

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Also, TNA champ (yuck) Trick Williams getting bitched out by old-ass Trump Taker after *that* Slammiversary is fucking hilarious.

TNA reddit : "but it's great for TNA, Taker is the biggest star ever, we drew 7K, D'Amore couldn't"

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I don't know what the set up to a Taker/Trick confrontation was, but boy it made TNA, NXT, and Trick look like clowns. From a sly dig on difference from TNA and NXT champ to repeatedly sonning Trick on the mic to then physically putting him down with zero chance of any kind of physical confrontation otherwise to get any heat back. What a weird choice.

 

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WWE presuming that being in the ring with an older legend and coming off like a total clown is somehow a rub is a bizarre booking choice that they haven’t been able to shake for way too long 

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That's fine for like a mid card comedy guy. It's wild to do it to a guy who has been what appears to be the most heavily pushed guy in NXT for the past year and a half and is also the champ of your partner promotion. 

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16 hours ago, strobogo said:

I don't know what the set up to a Taker/Trick confrontation was, but boy it made TNA, NXT, and Trick look like clowns. From a sly dig on difference from TNA and NXT champ to repeatedly sonning Trick on the mic to then physically putting him down with zero chance of any kind of physical confrontation otherwise to get any heat back. What a weird choice.

 

The set up was Taker's LFG guys were backstage in NXT and Trick started talking shit to them.  Ironically in the context of the overall show it seems like the goal is to establish LFG since Ricky Saints also put over the winner (and fellow Team Taker guy) Jasper Troy. It's really odd since you would expect they would put the LFG people on Evolve first since they went through the effort of setting up a whole farm system. 

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7 hours ago, strobogo said:

It's wild to do it to a guy who has been what appears to be the most heavily pushed guy in NXT for the past year and a half and is also the champ of your partner promotion. 

My best best is that they had an even biggest urge to do it *because* Trick is the TNA champion. 

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I'm not sure if there's a word for it, but maybe its just pure brainwashing (?) when you push enough revisionism that even the people who experienced it first-hand think that getting fed to bigger stars or punished by jobbing for months on end is all part of a "grand scheme" to get someone over.

Triple H eating shit after the Curtain Call and losing to Warrior at WrestleMania XII has become part of his origin story when, really, if we're being 100% honest, Triple H got a fairly big push in early-to-mid-97' because the roster was absolute shit and he was one of the better, more reliable hands on it (look at the Rumble participants in 97' and try to find someone else you'd even bother pushing). Then he ended up being a great foil for Foley that year and, in 98', breaks out as a babyface against The Rock. But really, and I'm far from a Triple H fan, what got him from the lower card to the upper card in 98' was the classic mix of being in the right place (a WWE landscape that was bereft of other options) and, to his credit, a ton of hard work in late 96' through 97' on TV and the house show loop against practically every established guy on the roster (from Jake Roberts to Goldust to Owen to Austin to Shawn to Bret to Mero, Triple H worked them all). 

But its easier to retroactively glorify the losing someone does or the bad gimmick they were dealt (Drew McIntyre in 3MB) as some sort of "trial by fire" because that takes the heat off the company and makes the company look omniscient. 

And we'll see this play out with Austin Theory any day now, right? 

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30 minutes ago, DMJ said:

I'm not sure if there's a word for it, but maybe its just pure brainwashing (?) 

Self-gaslighting ? Believing your own bullshit ? They also believe the Danielson treatment was actually a grand genius plan. No you dumbfucks, he got over despite the booking, not thanks to it. But now they think that's how it works to get babyface over. (BTW, how is Sami Zayn doing ? From being the most over guy on the roster to lose matches to Karrion Kross).

WWE works like a cult. Fed-pilled fans believe "Mania moments" are real things, which is why they lose their mind when someone like Danielson says winning at Mania 30 did not mean that much to him. When you see how already Fed-pilled someone like Stephanie Vaquer is (that tweet after Evolution was cringe as fuck), I'd say AEW dodged a bullet by not having a chance of getting her. (or she'd had to be used the same way TAFKA Mariah May was)

But anywoo, as far as Triple H goes, he was IC champ by late 96. He always was a Vince favorite because he was a body guy and he was smart enough to hang out with the right crew. He's a political animal, has been since day one. (he absolutely was a super hard worker in 95-97, which is the period where I actually was quite a big fan of his)

Also, the Attitude Era generation still absolutely believe they are the hottest shit ever. Why you think Goldy got the "no time, show over" treatment ? Because he's still that WCW guy who "beat them" for a short while.

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On 7/23/2025 at 3:54 AM, El-P said:

Yeah. They weren't using him because he made clear he was jumping as soon as his contract ended. The choice was to actually stay in the promotion that had (over)pushed him times and times again despite his tendencies to kinda *cough* fumble (see what I did ?) on promos and big matches regularly. He's the one who refused to do business after they gave him the tag titles with a flash win on fucking FTR of all people. He did not want to have that feud with Big Bill, he did not want to be a heel. He was obviously a pain in the ass and then made clear he was jumping. The idea that he did not have a choice is nonsensical. He made his own bed.

Everything you described is hearsay though, reported third-hand from dirt sheet carnies with an agenda. I don't take wrestling "journalists" seriously. TMZ and The National Enquirer have more credible reporting at this point. (They're sleazy U.S. tabloids, in case my meaning isn't clear.)

The reality is: They don't know what actually happened between Ricky Starks and AEW, and neither do we.

 

On 7/23/2025 at 3:54 AM, El-P said:

Also this : Ricky Starks was always overrated by people.   

You're not wrong. But I remember getting lambasted on PWO for suggesting that he would've been better off staying in the NWA a while longer and getting more experience and seasoning. To be clear, I said this when the NWA was still viable. In retrospect, he wouldn't have wanted to be stuck there for several more years or anything like that, but I think another year or so would've done wonders for him. The pandemic fucked everything up though, so it is what it is.

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21 minutes ago, C.S. said:

You're not wrong. But I remember getting lambasted on PWO for suggesting that he would've been better off staying in the NWA a while longer and getting more experience and seasoning. 

Getting experience and seasoning in Corgan's NWA ? Sure, he would have learned so much more than going to AEW.Â đŸ™ƒ The guy is just not that great.

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On 7/24/2025 at 1:16 PM, El-P said:

Getting experience and seasoning in Corgan's NWA ? Sure, he would have learned so much more than going to AEW.Â đŸ™ƒ The guy is just not that great.

You seem to be under the very misguided impression that I'm referring to the Tyrus/Thom Latimer version of the NWA. No, I'm talking about when it was cooking with Nick Aldis, Tim Storm, Kamille, Austin Idol, Eddie Kingston, etc. Lots of interesting workers and personalities to learn from at that time. 

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7 hours ago, C.S. said:

You seem to be under the very misguided impression that I'm referring to the Tyrus/Thom Latimer version of the NWA. 

No. I watched the show when Starks was there. Hell, I think I watch all the Powerr shows when they where showing on Youtube.

7 hours ago, C.S. said:

No, I'm talking about when it was cooking with Nick Aldis, Tim Storm, Kamille, Austin Idol, Eddie Kingston, etc. Lots of interesting workers and personalities to learn from at that time. 

Cooking. Riiiiiight. The NWA Powerr show was an overhyped cosplay show for retromaniacs with 3 minutes matches with a hype that lasted about as long as Cornette could refrain himself from making racist jokes. The studios formula was kinda fun for the promos. Which is why Starks looked better than he actually was in this setting too (see also : Nick Aldis, not to mention the completely useless Kamille who was exposed the second she had to do anything more than standing next to short talent). I totally forgot that Eddie was there though, but I totally remember the godawful Aaron Stevens and Question Mark shit. 

Mind you, when Starks got in this version of the NWA, he already had 7 years of experience behind him. He was not exactly a rookie either.

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BTW. You KNOW if Hogan had showed up on Smackdown alive and well, the same people who were chanting his name would have been booing the fuck out of him. Funny how it works. In the immortal words of French legendary singer George Brassens "dead people are all good guys" (and yes, he was making fun of it).

Also, what a front line assembly of whiteys (including Ted DiBiase, *gasp*, talking about real life garbage human beings) paying hommage to Hogan uh ? That picture is *something*.

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Anywoo. Next.

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