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Whoops. I misread your post I quoted. Thought you were using drawing power to make a case for Luger. This is what happens when you try to talk wrestling on the Internet during happy hour. Carry on. (Sting is still better, though)

Who in hell ever said, "Man, I gotta buy a ticket to that show. Lex Luger is wrestling!" ?

Fuck it, I voted for Sting. The tale of the tape obviously favors Luger, that's really not a question if basing the call objectively on in-ring performance. I guess this was an emotional choice for me. Sting is a lot more fun. Even today, when I've changed my mind about Luger and appreciate him much more than when I first was exposed to him, there are few Luger moments that stand out to me. Sting has several that immediately come to mind. I always felt like Luger was shoved down my throat. I was supposed to like him because he had the look and was ripped. To me, he always seemed somewhat out of place. Sting was far from perfect, but everything seemed natural with him. I'm not sure how gonig from a screaming blonde surfer dude to a Crow gimmick could seem natural, but Sting pulled it off pretty damn well. Yup, this might be a little bit of a nostalgia choice, but I don't care. Marking out for Sting when I was a kid and changing the channel when Luger came on still has to be worth something, right?

If we all keep asking Will about the Lawler set, he's never going to have time to finish the Lawler set.

Slayer is not to be joked about. That's double true for Slayer with Harley Race replacing Dave Lombardo.

Do a search on Deadspin.com for Bleacher Report. Someone in there should be a walkthrough on how to block Bleacher Report "articles" from coming up when you do a search.

You win the Internet for the day, my friend.

I haven't read any posts in this thread yet, but I'll say this: If all of you have yet to reach a consensus that Slayer is the greatest band of all time, the thread should be closed.

I'm a huge Vader fan and have Will's Vader set. It's very good, but the Buddy set is better.

The in-ring product for '86 on the AWA set is great. Perhaps the bad was REALLY bad, but the '86 stuff on the 80s set is great and more than holds up.

Buddy Rose is awesome. I was ordering comps from a certain comp maker a while back and I asked the comp maker if I should order his Buddy Rose comp or a comp of a more well-known wrestler (*cough* Steamboat *cough*). The comp maker said, without hesitation, that I should give the Buddy comp a try, so I took his advice. Holy shit, is all I can say. I plowed through that Buddy Rose comp in no time. It was a major eye-opener, and more importantly, ridiculously entertaining. If you want to see one guy single-handedly carry a territory, Buddy in Portland is a great example.

I've always enjoyed Harley. His serious and no bullshit style resonates with me. However, I do feel like I need to see more of him. A proper comp would be nice, but I'm not sure if there's enough 70s footage out there.

No order: Flair Funk Buddy Savage Murdoch Lawler Arn Hansen Steamboat Eddie

I can kinda see hating babyface booker Eric Embry. The Devastation Inc. feud got a little crazy once he lost the loser leaves town match and still had another match the next week cause it was in his contract. Here's some of his 91/92 work that I enjoy. If you don't like the first couple vids, you probably won't like Embry: From early 1991. Embry and Bill Dundee had a loser leaves town match and the finish had a lot of shenanigans. Eddie Marlin brings both guys into his office to talk about the match with the ref and what happened. I love crazy yelling Embry who thinks everyone is out to get him. Another Embry goes crazy angle. This time he punches Eddie Marlin right in the mouth, goes after Michael St. John and gets chased around the studio by Lawler. Here's a Studio match from November 1991, Embry, Doug Masters, The Scorpion and The Sandman(yes that sandman) vs Lawler, Tom Prichard, The Candyman Reggie B Fine and JT Smith. Thanks man! The effort is appreciated.

I played a lot of WWF Royal Rumble on Sega Genesis. Does that count?

Just finished this. The Lawler set that's been previously discussed can't come out fast enough.

I only know Embry from the Texas set and thought he was absolute garbage. Bland, boring and corny. If I was trying to come up with the exact opposite of a kickass pro wrestler, I would come up with Embry from the Texas set. I know I'm probably the only one on this board who feels this way. I'd like to give him another shot since im sure his stuff on the Texas set is a small sample size. If you all could suggest a couple of matches/angles (with dates) that might open my eyes to what the rest of you see, I'd appreciate it. Don't suggest anything off the Texas set because I will hate it.

Verne would be great. There would would be clear story arc with triumphs, tragedies, victories, defeats, etc.

Love this idea. Here's a thread i started from a while back about slobs: http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?show...69&hl=Slobs

Even though he has only written about two subjects, Robert Caro is regarded as one of the greatest biographers in history. His first book, The Power Broker, chronicles Robert Moses and his role in shaping 20th century New York City. After The Power Broker was published, Caro has spent the rest of his life, about 40 years, chronicling former president Lyndon Johnson. When he started his work on Johnson, he moved to Johnson's home town to get a better sense of where his subject came from and to dig under every rock he could think of for information. He's published four volumes of his Johnson biography so far, with the fifth and final volume supposedly coming in a year or two. Caro has dedicated his entire life to covering his subjects and it shows in his exahustive and well-written work. Let's say Caro publishes the last volume of his Johnson biography and calls a news conference to announce his next subject. The gathering media speculates that maybe Caro will tackle Ronald Reagan, Richard Nixon, or perhaps even Bill Clinton. The world can't wait to find out which former president or historical figure Caro will dedicate the next phase of life to covering. Caro, an aging and unimposing fellow, steps to the microphone, adjusts his black-rimmed glasses against the flash of the photographer's cameras, clears his throat, and announces that he's going to dedicate his next work to a figure from the world of professional wrestling. Everybody laughs, then stops laughing and begins crying once they realize that Caro, winner of multiple Pulitzer Prizes, is serious. Who would you want Caro to profile? Remember, this will be the wrestling biography to end all wrestling biographies. Caro will literally discover and tell us anything and everything about this wrestling figure's life. And he will do it with a writing and reporting style that is second to none. The answer seems easy at first: Vince McMahon. By profiling McMahon, we'll probably get as close to a complete history of wrestling as we could get. Caro's works on Moses and Johnson don't only feature stories and information on his main subjects. They also include anectdotes and insight into the events and people that shaped his main subjects. For example, JFK, Hubert Humphrey and election rigging are covered extensively in Caro's books on Johnson. I'm sure we'd get plenty of insight into other wrestling territories and personalities if Caro tackled McMahon. But do we really want to know more about McMahon? I mean, haven't we heard enough already? Sure, it'd be nice to have some credibility behind the stories, and I'm sure there'd be plenty of new information uncovered, but I'm already burned out on McMahon. Terry Funk would be an interesting study. Yes, there's been plenty of documentary type of stuff done on Funk, but most of it focuses on the crazy old man that continues working in wrestling part of Terry's story. You could probably get a damn good history of wrestling, and new information about Terry, if you do an exhaustive bio that goes beyond the crazy old man aspect. Baba and Inoki would also be great. Caro documenting one or both of these two while educating us about the history of Japanese wrestling would be amazing. Mick Foley and Bret Hart are great stories. But both already have autobiographies that are well-written and seem to tell mostly complete stories (whereas Terry's is not well-written and doesn't tell a complete story). In the end, I'd probably still pick McMahon, but I'll stop rambling for now and see who others would choose. When thinking about this, remember that this book will be written by a Pulitzer Prize winner. It's not going to be a a simple rehash of old wrestling observers or a piece of work that glosses over important events. It's also going to be well-written -- no run-on sentences and disjointed prose. It's going to be the real deal.

I grew up in a small town in Minnesota and we didn't have cable until I was 17. The only thing I got was the AWA on Sunday mornings and the WWF (I think it was WWF Wrestling Challenge) on Saturday morning. I got into wrestling around 1987-88, so this was the dying days of the AWA and a good period for the WWF. WWF would come on right after my cartoons and I would mark out like a little kid should. It was great. My dad put this arrow thingy on top of our TV antenna that picked up a few extra stations and ocassionaly, if the weather was right, we'd pick up a different wrestling program on Saturday nights. The only wrestler I remember about it was Norman the Lunatic, which makes me think it was WCW Saturday Night, but if I remember correctly, the look of the studio and setup of the show was nothing like WCW Saturday Night. If we'd ever take a famly vacation and stay in a hotel, I'd have to watch WCW Satruday Night if the hotel got TBS. I knew about the NWA and other promotions through PWI and other wrestling mags, and always went out of my way to try and watch it if I ever could. I think having to work so hard to just get a glimpse of the NWA, or any wrestling at all, growing up made me into the fan I am today. The chase was part of the fun. Once we got Dish Network, ECW would pop up on some of the regaionl sports networks on late Saturday nights/early Sunday mornings. If was sporadic, though. One week it'd be on the Sunshine Network, then it wouldn't be, but if I flipped around, I'd find it on MSG or some other regional network.

I want to hear two hours of discussion on who was the best of all time at getting crotched on the top rope. No seriously, I do have a few off the wall topics that I think would make for interesting serious discussion: Favorite slobs Favorite politically incorrect gimmicks (I.E. Kamala) Matches that sounded shitty on paper, but were actually really good