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It's possible he was specifically told to keep all the weight on because it's what made him marketable.

I do tend to target my enemies pretty aggressively. I'm sure everyone here would agree. Joking aside, our moderation is pretty lax. It's not often we step in. I think we end up with a better board by not micromanaging it.

Ok, fair enough. I definitely do it sometimes. I don't do it all the time.

jdw does not run the board, but we occasionally let him think he does. I'm your man. Is there a question you have?

Then what does it mean? That you can only enjoy something that isn't real if you subconsciously set aside the fact that it isn't real? Because I reject that notion.

I'll give you an example of something that engages me without requiring me to suspend my disbelief. Jushin Liger liked to do surfboards in his matches. In February of 1994, he challenged IWGP champ Shinya Hashimoto in the main event of a show at Budokan Hall. Juniors vs heavies matches were a rarity, and this was a special main event with the new champion (Hashimoto beat Tenryu a week prior) facing the established king of the juniors division. Liger went for the surfboard and managed to get Hashimoto up, but it was brief and wasn't really fully applied. He struggled to keep him there. My reaction wasn't really that I was upset Liger couldn't apply the hold because I wanted him to beat Hashimoto. It was more, "Wow, that's a really clever way to reinforce the size difference between these two and further emphasize the unique nature of this match". I popped for it because it was a fresh take on a signature spot that fit the match really well. So there wasn't really suspension of disbelief in that case. I was just popping for good work because I like good work. Does that make sense? I'm not arguing that I never suspend disbelief. I'm just saying I don't do it every single time I watch wrestling.

Jerry, I think where the confusion lies is that you assume emotional connection can only come from suspension of disbelief. John provided examples of times he has felt something when watching wrestling or listening to Beatles music, while still seeing it for what it is. To not suspend disbelief does not mean there's no connection with the material, or that it's only an intellectual activity. A famous ad slogan in the United States is that "There's no wrong way to eat a Reeses." I'm pretty sure the same spirit applies to pro wrestling. And I don't think it's fair to dismiss someone else's experience.

Likes were turned off because everyone at the board hates them and requested it.

Even stranger, it's difficult to find anyone who was paying close attention in 2003.

Date is 5/22, not 6/4.

Again, one of the things I look forward to most with Daniel Bryan finally getting his moment is Stephanie's reaction. Even if it's not what I laid out before, it will still be pretty tremendous no matter what.

And with regards to that spot, Steamboat just dropping down into a side headlock position is a pretty common spot in his matches against Flair. It's not unheard of for a wrestler to seize the moment.

I'm great with explanations for common wrestling tropes. In fact, I think that WWE assumes everyone has been watching forever and understands the rules of wrestling, so they never take the time to explain basic things in a way that I wish they did. But realism in wrestling talk always puzzles me. It doesn't need to be realistic to be good. I just want it to be as internally consistent as possible. I mean, take it all the way and every heel sneak attack outside the confines of the athletic contest should result in an arrest. It's assault.

Why don't wrestlers just shoot each other? They would always get an easy pin, and all they have to worry about is distracting the referee. Plus it takes rematches off the table.

I don't know or care, to be honest. :/

It will be really sad if Daniel Bryan is so short and ugly that he causes their TV rights value to go down.

That? All this about that? Wow. If he just stands there, the other guy is going to crash into him. Why would he do that?

I still can't picture the spot. What is "the drop down"? And what is the point being made about it? The sequence goodhelmet describes isn't really that common, so I'm not sure I follow.

I'm having trouble visualizing what spot you're talking about.

Previously at PWO:

Previously at PWO:

I loved his point that they should keep the focus more on the in-ring than talking because it gives them more global appeal.

Just listened to show. Great show! Cena is The Man. Anyone who doesn't understand why he's in the spot he's in should listen.

Did Cena actually get real? Cena is a guy that tends to tow the company line and stay in character in every setting. He's not quite like Miz, where you suspect WWE takes him apart and puts him in the fridge when he's not in public, but it's close.

Yeah, but age in wrestling has always been more about previous years on top than birth year. Orton and Cena are in their 40s in wrestling years.