Phil Schneider

I'm a little confused as to the condescension in your replies as I'm on the same page with you feeling Lawler is a better all around package. I think Race is a better athlete than Lawler (and would think that Lawler would be the first to admit that. He has joked about his athletic ability all the time). I don't know how I can prove that to you and don't think that's even necessary, it's just an opinion. From the matches I've seen of him, he's good at move/counter move and that actual on the mat wrestling portion. Pure wrestling. It was just an observation, not a condemnation of Lawler. They're completely different styles and acts. Lawler's appeal was never the athletic content of his matches. It was his promo ability and the way he could connect with an audience before and during the match. He has impeccable timing Not trying to be condecending, but like S.L.L. said I can't think of anything that Race does that is particularly more athletic then Lawler, both come off the top, both take athletic bumps. Hell Lawler has a really great dropkick, which isn't something I remember Harley doing. Also Race isn't really known as much of a mat guy, in fact lack of mat ability is what Thez always held against him. I think Lawler and Race are really way more similar then say Race and Briscoe or Race and Dory Funk.

Agreed. I think you're arguing me on a point I wasn't making. In fact, your first sentence was the point I was going for. I would pick Lawler to be my main event 10 times out of 10 over Race. Okay what does Race do that makes him a better wrestler in the "purest sense"?

Race had more suplexes then Lawler, but then again so did Dirty Rhodes, but for execution of what they did, I would put Lawler above Race. It is close for sure, they actually did very similar things. Lawler's punches are better, Race has great punches, but Lawler may have the best ever. Lawler's piledriver was better. Race had the diving headbutt which was awesome, but the diving fistdrop is just as cool looking for a flying move. Also Race is a crazy bumper, but Lawler may have been the biggest non-Lucha bumper of the 70's and 80's. For me Lawler does the same things, just a little better. Also I am not Frank Jewett, I don't count moves. For me it is much more important how someone puts a match together then the stuff they do. Race is a guy with lots of stuff, but he is pretty flawed in how he puts that stuff together, which is where the Angle comparison comes in.

I really can't see how anyone could rank Lawler below Harley Race in any way. Also I am unclear on what the difference between "ring ability" and "psychology"

They had a good match in New Japan in 1982

Come on, it's clearly legit now. Gregh is a guy with some quirks, but he is also a guy rich enough that he would just give ROH some cash to keep it afloat before running some con job.

Of course it will be on DVD, everything ROH does is on DVD. They are a DVD company.

Man I want to see Buddy Landell go to a draw with rookie Akira Taue. I assume that isn't on tape anywhere?

Hey Loss, make sure you crosspost your reviews, you are the first guy to watch some of these, you can set the debate.

You just hate him because he's black

Okay that has to be BINGO right there

To be fair that was the Boston show, Nowitski was backstage at the Edison show. So Necro was no-selling a chair shot the day before Nowitski showed up. I am sure he wouldn't do something like that post Nowitski visit.

It was really good, It would probably be in the low 30's but when I watched it, I didn't think it was as good as the 25th match on my list

Here is my current list, I haven't written up the third Danielson v. Morishima match yet, but I imagine that will find a spot in the top 10. All of these are reviewed over at Segunda Caidia http://segundacaida.blogspot.com 1. Nigel McGuinness v. Bryan Danielson ROH 6/23 2. Nigel McGuinness v. Samoa Joe ROH 3/3 3. John Cena v. Umaga WWE 1/28 4. Eddie Kingston v. Chris Hero IWA-MS 9/29 5. Bryan Danielson v. Takeshi Morishima ROH 8/25 6. Nigel McGuinness v. Takeshi Morishima ROH 4/14 7. Chris Harris v. James Storm TNA 5/13 8. Jimmy Jacobs v. B.J. Whitmer ROH 3/4 9. Samoa Joe v. Takeshi Morishima ROH 2/16 10. Matt Hardy v. Finlay WWE 6/19 11. Shawn Micheals v. John Cena WWE 4/23 12. Jimmy Jacobs v. B.J. Whitmer ROH 3/31 13. Solar 1/Mano Negra v. Negro Navarro/Black Terry Lucha Libre VIP 3/10 14. MNM v. Hardy Boyz WWE 1/28 15. Briscoes v. Ricky Marvin/Kontaro Suzuki NOAH 1/21 16. Bryan Danielson/Takeshi Morishima v. KENTA/Nigel McGuiness ROH 5/12 17. John Cena v. Great Khali 5/20 18. Mitsuhara Misawa v. Bison Smith NOAH 6/3 19. John Cena v. King Booker v. Bobby Lashley v. Mick Foley v. Randy Orton WWE 6/24 20. Necro Butcher v. Jay Briscoe ROH 21. Briscoes v. Murder City Machine Guns ROH 4/28 22. Finlay v. Undertaker 3/6 WWE 23. Briscoes v. Kevin Steen/El Generico ROH 4/14 24. Colt Cabana v. Jimmy Jacobs ROH 2/24 25. Takeshi Sasaki v. Yuki Miyamoto BJW 3/14

Projects if I could PM'd you. -- Loss, 01/10

Jesus that list of best matches is embarrassing