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Canada's not part of the Commonwealth in Scott Keith land...

It's not that Bret Hart isn't known, but it's not like he's revered like Wayne Gretzky or Mario Lemieux, or even Sale and Pelletier (the two figure skaters who were robbed of golds at the Olympics). The closest was a good ranking in that Greatest Canadian poll that CBC did, but that was hardly a scientific poll by any stretch of the imagination. That's why when Sean posted what he did, I couldn't help but smile. From what you hear on the net, you'd swear Canada was like Japan with wrestling, but it's basically a mini-U.S. As far as mainstream coverage goes, Sun Media might have weekly (small) columns but that's it, and they're looked upon as minor papers. The only stuff getting into mainstream is the expected stuff (Benoit murder-suicide, Owen death, Eddy death, Tyson-Austin face-off on RAW (thanks in large part to Tyson's fame).

Probably the best myth posted here. Here's another: When did the "Rocky III *made* Hogan" stuff start?

Not disagreeing with what should be on there, but the one on Shawn's set is 1/23/89. This one is 3/18/89.

Heyman was apparently feeding Styles (and Foley) lines that night over the headset, so I'm assuming that one came from Heyman (due to Awesome, without a contract, going to WCW with the ECW title). It's funny, because Mike Awesome, in a shoot interview he did, said that Heyman never had any problems with him during the Alliance era, which shows you how full of shit Heyman can be.

More amusing was Tazz hosting the 90s set (which hit stores well after he got released) and Foley hosting the HIAC set (which hit stores well after he joined TNA).

Isn't this the promo where they debut Rocco the Dummy? If so, AWESOME. According to Graham Cawthon's site, no. That happened on the 6/27 episode. This is just one where they challenge the Beverly Brothers.

I made jokes about that in other places when I first heard about this set being released. Good matchlist. Some stuff they've released on DVD before, but I like the rarer stuff being on this set.

That's not even taking into account his questionable moveset in matches, a lot of which hardly fall under the "virtuous babyface" category, such as when he switched from the "three straight elbowdrops" spot to "two straight elbowdrops followed by a foot face-rake" spot around 1989 or so, something Jesse Ventura always called him out on.

From the Vienna, Austria (4/19) show, during the HHH/Taker vs. Orton/Rhodes/DiBiase main event.

I agree with Al's and Loss' reasons for praise for the WMX ladder match. I think, because of that, the most recent ladder match that the WWE has done that I enjoy watching for storyline purposes was Cena-Edge TLC from Unforgiven 2006. The set-up for the ladder stip was solid, as the match at Cena's hometown had taken place, now it was Edge's turn to not only "host" the next match, but have it under conditions he was used to and Cena wasn't. Cena did an excellent job not only with spots in the match but more importantly, selling the story of him being in his first ladder match. He would, at times on offense, appear uncertain at times as with respect to what to do next, especially at the end where he didn't know whether to climb the ladder or finish off Edge outside of the ring. His combined look (upon winning the match) of disgust with himself over going through that amount of violence as well as wondering why such a match has to take place in the first place really helped said story as well. Edge's work was solid, maybe his best in such a match, but it was Cena that made the match for me for those reasons. Other than that match, and maybe a couple others that I'd have to think on, I agree with the consensus that ladder matches in general have not necessarily improved since that WMX one.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04152009/gossi...e_oj_164506.htm

I posted earlier in the thread the Raw after Randy signed with WCW where Vince was putting him over strongly. Randy left in broad daylight. It was a time where Vince chose not to match WCW on big deals to Hogan and Randy, and probably some others that I'm forgetting. It wasn't until the Monday Night Era where Vince started to give a shit. That's part of the problem with the Randy story - lots of "facts" that folks are tossing around don't add up with reality. John I also posted earlier about the WWE featuring Savage for one of their publications in 2003. I don't buy that they looked at him up until at least then the same way they've looked at Luger. All this has to do with recent events, or recent beliefs of past events.

UFC was outdrawing WWE before the bubble burst on the economy, and it continues to outdraw it on a smaller scale after the bubble burst on the economy. I wouldn't have disagreed had that been your original point. But you mentioned the Rumble being down from last year, which I do attribute to the economy. Survivor Series was also down compared to '07, and that show built strongly around the return of John Cena.

He was on Heat during the Rob Conway "Beat a legend" tour after WWE Homecoming. And wasn't he a "fake" Blue Blazer during the angle that led up to Owen Hart's death? Pretty sure he was. I find Koko a bit more surprising due to his bashing of Vince and his handling of business in Beyond The Mat. Then again, after that, he did make that legends segment on RAW already mentioned.

Bingo. Only about half a page, but he's there. How does his entry end? Also, what does his entry state? Is it a written summary of his WWE tenure, or something even simpler, like a summary of WWE titles he won? How does it compare to others' entries? Also, I heard that they even threw in a picture of him. True? So I can answer my question and Bix's question, now that I actually have the book. Benoit's entry is basically a three paragraph summary of what was told in his Hard Knocks DVD, plus a mention of him losing the title to Randy Orton. Talks about watching Dynamite, going to the Dungeon, Japan, ECW, WCW, WWE, winning the Royal Rumble, winning the World Heavyweight title and then losing to Orton. After the title loss mention, it says that, in spite of the loss, he remained a top contender for many of WWE's most renowned titles and ended it there. No mention of his passing, period (I'd have to research carefully, but it's very likely that he's the only guy who passed on who wasn't even mentioned to have died. Understandable, though.) but by saying "remained" they leave a reader (who for whatever reason wouldn't know better) the impression that his time (with the company anyway) is no more. I need to comment on JHawk's post. Not picking on him here, but his mention of Benoit getting "only" a half a page is misleading. Lots of people got half-page mentions, including guys like Chris Jericho and John Bradshaw Layfield. In fact, he got a larger mention than Randy Orton, believe it or not. (Ironically, Randy's section could've been bigger were it not for a small section of the Radicalz on top of Orton's, where Benoit is also name-dropped, several times in fact.) On top of that, Benoit's section crushes people's like Jeff Jarrett's, Brock Lesnar's and Bobby Lashley's in terms of size. Finally, to mention some other notables, Bruno Sammartino got a full two pages (this is the same amount your Hogans, Austins, HHHs, Cenas, Rocks, Vinces (both of them) all got). Randy Savage also got a full page (your other McMahons, Batista, Foley, Snuka, Bret, HBK all got similar sized profiles). If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask.

Bingo. Only about half a page, but he's there. How does his entry end? Also, what does his entry state? Is it a written summary of his WWE tenure, or something even simpler, like a summary of WWE titles he won? How does it compare to others' entries? Also, I heard that they even threw in a picture of him. True?

Ditto. There's things from that era that the WWE has either barely touched on, or hasn't touched at all (Dangerous Alliance, Sid-Vader series, early Light Heavyweight division, WarGames 92, etc.). WWE being WWE, that'll be glossed over (aside from things that've already been mentioned many times like Flair-Herd) and most stuff will be focused on things they've hammered home already (nWo, young guys in WCW being held down, young guys jumping ship, Russo, etc.). Hope I'm pleasantly wrong.

Given Vince's mental state in recent years, this is the only plausible scenario.

I'd like to know the answer to these questions too. When I first heard the rumour, it was that Savage banged a 14-year-old Stephanie, which would've been circa 1990-91. Now no one even specifies how old she was (just that it was before she was 18). I'd especially like to know when Vince allegedly first found out that rumour too. I have the occasional WWE publication since Savage left the company, and there have been some that have presented him in praise-like fashion. There was one in 2002/03 where they had a fantasy matchup between Triple H and Savage, with the consensus being that a match like that would be "too close to call". On top of that, there was this inaugural Smackdown Magazine issue after they rebranded it from WWE Magazine: http://www.hoffco-inc.com/wwe/mgs/wwf/smdn2003-13.html I'm inclined to still believe that Savage and Vince simply have professional differences. Savage is closer to Bruno on Vince's list than he is to, say, Benoit.

Agreed pretty much. They will show the Bash tag match, though, since it's Savage's last WCW title win. VERY much agreed on Savage-Yoko. Savage's last match with the company would've been better. I was thinking the same thing about Savage-Bruno. Don't know why that's there. A full recap of the throat injury angle would've been better. I'm guessing they're putting that Savage-Hogan Main Event match on there, because they love celebrity involvement! (Although calling Buster Douglas a "celebrity" these days feels like it's stretching it.)

http://www.silvervision.co.uk/products/Mac...VD-3-Discs.html ---------- He was one of the most controversial superstars in history of sports entertainment, through his complicated relationship with Miss Elizabeth, his dramatic WWE championship tournament run at WrestleMania IV, the formation and explosive breakup of the MegaPowers with Hulk Hogan, his reign as the Macho King, and his shocking jump to WCW. “Macho Man” Randy Savage brought a chaotic poetry to the ring. He’s widely considered one of the finest in-ring competitors of all time, and his interviews were always a sight to behold. For the first time ever, fans can relive the entire storied career in Macho Madness: The Ultimate Randy Savage Collection, a 3-DVD set that spans two decades of exciting and intense matchups. Disc 1 WWE Debut Randy Savage vs. Rick McGraw Prime Time Wrestling July 9, 1985 Randy Savage vs. Ricky Steamboat Boston Garden December 7, 1985 WWE Championship Match Randy Savage vs. Hulk Hogan Madison Square Garden December 30, 1985 WWE Intercontinental Heavyweight Championship Randy Savage vs. Tito Santana Boston Garden February 8, 1986 WWE Intercontinental Championship Match Randy Savage vs. Bruno Sammartino Boston Garden January 3, 1987 WWE Intercontinental Championship Match Randy Savage vs. Ricky Steamboat WrestleMania III March 29, 1987 Randy Savage vs. Honky Tonk Man The Main Event February 5, 1988 WWE Championship Tournament Final Randy Savage vs. Ted DiBiase WrestleMania IV March 27, 1988 Steel Cage Match for the WWE Championship Randy Savage vs. Ted DiBiase Madison Square Garden June 25, 1988 Disc 2 Randy Savage & Hulk Hogan vs. Andre the Giant & Ted DiBiase SummerSlam August 29, 1988 WWE Championship Match Randy Savage vs. Hulk Hogan WrestleMania V April 2, 1989 WWE Championship Match Randy Savage vs. Hulk Hogan The Main Event March 22, 1990 Randy Savage / Sherri vs. Dusty Rhodes / Sapphire WrestleMania VI April 1, 1990 Retirement Match Randy Savage vs. Ultimate Warrior WrestleMania VII March 24, 1991 Randy Savage vs. Jake Roberts This Tuesday in Texas December 3, 1991 WWE Championship Match Randy Savage vs. Ric Flair WrestleMania VIII April 5, 1992 Disc 3 WWE Championship Match Randy Savage vs. Shawn Michaels European Rampage April 19, 1992 Randy Savage / Bret Hart vs. Ric Flair / Shawn Michaels Worcester, MA July 22, 1992 WWE Championship Match Randy Savage vs. Yokozuna RAW February 28, 1994 Lifeguard Match Randy Savage vs. Ric Flair Bash at the Beach July 16, 1995 WCW Championship Match Randy Savage vs. Ric Flair Nitro January 22, 1996 Falls Count Anywhere Match Randy Savage vs. Diamond Dallas Page Great American Bash June 15, 1997 WCW Championship Match Randy Savage & Sid Vicious vs. Kevin Nash & Sting Bash at the Beach July 11, 1999 Artwork and match list subject to change

http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?showtopic=4414 Because that thread needs to be linked in this thread.

I recall reading at the time that they taped it the night before.

For a guy who is known to have promos where he's ranting and raving, Piper is actually at his best with emotional interviews like that one.