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They were in an awkward position because they really did need to add members because it was growing harder and harder to buy those 3 terrorizing the entire promotion alone. So Syxx and Giant were important additions.
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Kane was awesome this year. It took Edge to drag him down.
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[1996-09-22-WWF-Mind Games] Shawn Michaels vs Mankind
Victator replied to Loss's topic in September 1996
I thought the finish was fine with the story lines in the company. Watching the TV it is clear Undertaker was going to get involved. Vader was set to win the title til Shawn fucked it up.- 38 replies
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I hear this about stuff and use to think it. But is there really a difference?
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To be fair to Flair, he is the only consistently entertaining thing in TNA. That is sad about him having to bum money in bars. But fuck he did more living than all of us combined. Shit I'm broke and I manage my money down to the last penny.
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What I like is you can buy that guy as Sting til the real Sting attacks him. Which makes Stings anger even more justified.
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Sure he is. Oh he just thought to talk in a monotone voice thru out his promos on his own?
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Yeah but we know how that deal works. The bodyguard is going to get the bigger push if he does not screw up. They have been trying to redo the Diesel/Shawn thing for years.
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I agree with Dylan. Also I think D-Von really freshened up the Dudley act and gave it some real direction. I think he had good presence and did good mic work.
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[1996-08-18-WWF-Summerslam] The Undertaker vs Mankind (Boiler Room Brawl)
Victator replied to Loss's topic in August 1996
Maybe he means Hennig? Anyway not the same as they had been playing up dissension between Taker and Bearer since KOTR 96.- 17 replies
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I don't think Miz has been a good promo since he started cribbing Jericho's act.
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Howard Brody says it was an elaborate work in his book, and he hates her so I don't see why he would lie about it. But why would Dan keep kayfabe about it long afterwards... hmm. That is the only thing Severn absolutely refused to discuss. Honestly I'll take Severn's word over anybody in wrestling.
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[1996-08-18-WWF-Summerslam] The Undertaker vs Mankind (Boiler Room Brawl)
Victator replied to Loss's topic in August 1996
I know it is asinine but it bothered me the match was taped the day before.- 17 replies
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Not really a nitpick.
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You know she picked a fight with Dan Severn. I always thought it was an angle for the magazines but it was real. I could not even get Severn to talk about it it bothered him so much.
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[1996-02-05-WWF-Raw] Shawn Michaels & Diesel vs Davey Boy Smith & Yokozuna
Victator replied to Loss's topic in February 1996
I don't think they did enough with Yoko vs Vader. That was a dream match for me and I'm still pissed they did not do the match at Wrestlemania 12.- 10 replies
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Watching the Nowinski/Steiner debate there is no way they did not do that as comedy. Its just I watch 80s/early 90s WWF and they are so smart its hard to imagine the same people were booking that weak ass shit in the early 00's. The stuff just failed so completely you think they would recognize it. I mean I live in Alabama and I would talk to old people and people you would call rednecks who just hated the war. The kind of people who love wrestling. The UnAmericans was just so lame. An upside down American flag? Is that suppose to piss me off?
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They weren't booked like filler matches. Bundy actually got a win over Hogan on tv to set up the January match. It was much bigger than Hogan vs Sika or Hogan vs Race a month later. During the matches Bundy was treated as a full threat to Hogan. That this time he could win. Andre was played up but more he was the final thing that Bundy needed to beat Hogan. He was not treated like cannon fodder. Just pointing that out to compare how good the WWF use to be at this sorta thing and how bad they have been at it since the 90s.
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I've changed my opinion on specific matches but not much else. Like Vader in the WWF. i judged some matches harshly because he lost but going back I found some hidden gems. The match vs Kane at No Way Out I found to be really good. It had a strong story behind it. kane had seemingly finished off the undertaker at the Royal Rumble and Vader is the only person left strong enough to stop Kane. The match had a good story of Vader being the first person to be able to hurt Kane. At the same time Kane is the first wrestler to ever out monster Vader. He absorbs Vader's offense while still moving forward. I liked Paul Bearer outside on the verge of tears thinking Vader had killed his meal ticket. The post match angle worked with Kane not being satisfied with just winning. So he bashes his head in with a wrench. The image of Vader being stretchered out really solidified Kane as a monster. But at the time I poo pooed it because Vader lost.
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I said it on DVDVR but the WWF had no idea how to exploit the fake 9/11 patriotism. You try to get Canadians and French Canadians pretending to be french to say shit a portion of the audience agrees with? If you want to do that shit do it right and get a guy called the Terrorist and have him say "Fuck the troops and fuck you."
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Should also mention that I blame Hulk no selling finishers completely on Savage. Before he wrestled Savage Hulk would always narrowly avoid the finisher or the heel took too long to go for the pin. Savage had George Steel kick out of the elbow at Wrestlemania 2 and it became a staple of the Hogan/Savage series.
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The two Hogan/Bundy SNME matches were big matches since they lead into the Andre/Hogan rematch. Bundy won the first match by count out leading to the rematch. I think that is the first time Hogan lost by count out on tv. Obviously not counting arena matches. I love the rematch. With long time Hogan opponents you kinda get these long running themes. With Bundy it feels like he is trying to solve the Hulk Up. Here he goes all out hitting Hogan with everything he has and getting closer than he ever has. But there is no way around the Hulk Up and Bundy loses. Then you get the big Andre angle where he chokes out Hogan and it takes almost the entire locker room to stop him.
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Is it true Vince offered to let ECW stay on TNN thru the new year and Heyman refused? I heard that rumor somewhere. I thought the TNN show was good til after the Hammerstein tapings and they stopped giving a fuck. Booking fucking DQ finishes three weeks in a row.