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Also, where's the heat on ROH for not rescheduling the show since A: They knew a snowstorm was headed their way. B: Half the card went back for the TNA PPV. C: Gabe hyped the shit out of a SUPERHUGEMEGASUPRISE which ended up being CM Punk coming back for a show. (OK, that's not a reason to reschedule, but it was still lame). You'd think with all the respect ROH is supposed to have for their fans, they should have said "hey, it's going to get shitty and half our card has to be on the TNA PPV the next day, we're going to have to move the show".

You can argue about TNA's reaction being too harsh, but the downside to TNA becoming a legit national wrestling company is that they gotta start establishing that guys under contract need to do what the office asks them to do. If they're going to be taking Strong and Aries off TV for *months* then I think that's a bit excessive. That's up there with Marcellus Wallace throwing the Samoan dude out the window for giving his wife a foot massage. Then again, considering TNA only has an hour of TV a week, there's nothing guaranteeing they'd have been on anyway.

If the airports would have been closed, they would have been stuck no matter how REAL they might be. No one is saying TNA is trying to get people not to work for other companies like ROH, they just want people to start taking their PPVs more seriously. Also, they signed contracts with TNA. If they felt being loyal to ROH was a bigger priority, they shouldn't have signed deals with another company.

I'm listening to the Marty Jannetty shoot, and I'm realizing how much Marty sounds like Vince McMahon with a southern drawl. When he does his impression of Vince when he tells stories of meeting him, it's uncanny.

Everyone's missing the point. It's not that they did or didn't miss the show, it's that that they were the only ones to not do what TNA asked of them.

Any shit they get would be for ignoring the company's request to report early for the PPV. It's not TNA's problem if they have bookings in an area that had a snowstorm bearing down on them. They made a commitment to TNA and put themselves in a position to possibly miss it. Besides, ROH fans are going to have to learn that TNA PPV > ROH show. If it was an Impact taping I could almost see doing what they did being okay. You can't let people not show up and fuck up a show people are paying to see.

Yeah, because he's probably not having a bad enough day without having his chosen means of staying upbeat about a horrible situation mocked to his face. Well considering I'm not likely to ever meet him, he won't have it mocked to his face. He's also been known (before the tumor stuff) to go around telling people how gays are going to hell and all that wonderful anti-homosexual Bible stuff, so for him to say now he doesn't rub it in people's faces is kind of hypocritical on his part. Plus he keeps playing that "it's not PC to say you're Christian" victim card which is so BS these days, especially when you work for a company that had a battle with a religious group (PTC anyone?).

I didn't want to bump the thread about it, since it's kinda mean, but I hate how Matt Cappotelli is turning his brain tumor into an evangelical tool. He's practially saying cancer is a gift from God in interviews he's given since his diagnosis. He keeps saying how he's not rubbing God in people's faces, but almost half of every interview is Bible quotes and how this is all a blessing. If it helps him get through his battles, more power to him. I just hope someone tells him he sounds like a loon sometimes.

I think they're being punished for not going to Orlando early like the company asked them to. TNA best recognize they aint the WWE by a longshot yet. Yeah, TNA better stop getting so uppity, expecting wrestlers to show up for PPVs and stuff.

I think they're being punished for not going to Orlando early like the company asked them to.

I think what pissed off TNA is they asked everyone to get to Orlando before the snow came but Strong and Aries stayed anyway, risking getting stranded. I think they were the straw that broke the camel's back.

Well, he was fired/suspended when he was on trial (when HBK replaced him at Survivor Series vs the Hart Family) and he was only brought back when the case was dismissed. Legally he was found not to have done it (I don't remember exactly how it played out other than he wasn't found guilty) , despite every guy who's ever worked in Memphis having a "Lawler and the little girls" story. Double standard? Probably, but then so is the "teacher has sex with the student" when it's a young boy with a hot blonde teacher.

Well one thing, most of what you mentioned happened in the 80s when the business was much more closed off. If any of that happened now, there would be huge reactions. *edit* This is in reply to Loss's post.

From Meltz (with the usual Meltzerian typos fixed by me): I was wondering how long TNA would put up with no-shows, since it seems like someone's MIA ever PPV they do. I'm sure the ROHbots will be upset, but for Strong and Aries to risk missing a PPV for a company with nationwide TV so they can work a show in a blizzard for an indy is kind of a slap in the face to TNA. Yeah I know they're getting a lot of talent from ROH but when a company has you booked for a PPV slot you should at least give the impression that they're the priority.

Over at DVDVR, there was a thread that got (prematurely, IMO) closed about RF and his new promotion losing their building. Basically, RF's new promotion was going to run in an Elks Lodge until a bunch of people were calling the Lodge and telling them about Rob's past. Now the Lodge said they're not hosting any more wrestling shows. This made me wonder, we excuse a lot of things under the banner of "it's just pro wrestling", but there was actually people defending RF in the DVDVR thread. There were comments basically saying people should let it go, it's been 2 years, etc. Are people that jaded or just stupid? For those who forgot/don't know, Rob was caught by a web site that targets pedophiles setting up a meeting with who he thought was a 14 year old boy. He even expresses fear of getting caught in the chat transcripts but still goes through with it. Even then he was more afraid of losing his wrestling empire than the whole "having sex with a 14 year old" aspect. This is part of the reason I have a hard time getting into ROH. After all this broke, they made all the right PR moves saying Rob no longer was part of the company until it came out that he was still working for them on the downlow for months. I sometimes wonder how much Gabe knew before it became public. It's nothing you could ever prove one way or another of course, but it always creeped me out that they kept him on the payroll after everything came out. I've said in the Eddie thread that it bothers me when kids are involved in wrestling angles. It kind of applies here since 15-25 year old males are a large part of the fanbase for groups like ROH. Is it right for people to let the building know that the wrestling promotion they booked is run by someone who attempted to solict a 14 year old? What about the guys who work for the promotion? Guys gotta get a paycheck, but would you work for a guy like RF? I'm sure wrestling promoters have done worse things than this (especially since as far as we know RF never actually got to do the deed with anyone underage), but should "someone else did something worse" be an excuse?

I still maintain this was Kanyon trying to jump-start his career by claiming to be the first openly-gay wrestler (btw, that can't possibly be true can it?) and since it's Kanyon he didn't think it through and realize that would mean that the real Chris Whateverthehellhisnameis is gay too.

I have to admit, I've been watching the WM box set and the blurring isn't as distracting as I thought it would be. It only gets annoying when someone says "WWF" and they mute the F. Rock had a promo at WM 2000 where he says "WWF" every other word and he ends up sounding like he has Tourette's. It might be interesting to pick this up for the main program, just to hear Hulk kayfabe every aspect of his life and talk about bodyslamming the 800 pound Andre in front of a million people 2 weeks before he died.

Kanyon released this Warrior-esque statement the other day: So basically he's saying that "Chris Kanyon" is gay but "Chris Klucsarits" is of unknown sexual origin. In other words, he's working an angle.

If you have Hulk Still Rules, the nWo DVD, and the Best of the 80s DVD, you already have like 3/4ths of this set. Not to mention the Hulk Rules and the nWo sets are uncensored and unblurred. For a company that owns almost all recorded wrestling of the last 30 years, this is a disappointment.

Yeah but I think Bret takes it to the next level of pure markishness. There's believing in your character to get to the top and stay there, and there's believing in your character to the point of getting into arguments with co-workers because they thought someone else was a better wrestler and working with the company you said for years you'd never work for again just to make sure they don't bury you and give you a proper sendoff. I mean, according to Bret it was going to take and act of Congress and hell freezing over for him to ever work with Vince again, but in the end all it took was WWE threatening to release a burial DVD about him. There's guys who've had far less done to them by WWE who'd never work for them again.

PWInsider is saying that WWE isn't paying for Bret's appearance since he wants to "maintain his integrity" and not work for WWE again. So I guess he didn't get a cut of those DVD sales, huh? If true, it only furthers my belief that Bret is the world's biggest mark. Even more than hearing Road Dogg talk about Bret confronting him on the plane because Bret heard on the internet Road Dogg said he thought HBK was a better wrestler.

I wonder what ever happened with the whole "bleeding hep infected blood over the Undertaker" thing.

For some reason, Ted DiBiase's WWF theme is running through my head right now.

Dave Penzer gives TNA a more major league feel, at least to people who remember WCW. Borash always struck me as bush league.

What's funny is a lot of people who enjoy dumping on TNA are burying this PPV on what they think will happen in the future ("JJ's just gonna win the belt back on Impact! so this PPV will retroactively be worthless") than for anything that happened on the PPV itself. The "typical TNA overbooked shit" only happens in JJ matches, unless you count matches in their ECW/Hardcore division where overbooking is the name of the game.