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Show is tonight. Card looks great on paper. WWE Title: Seth Rollins Vs. Kevin Owens Women's Title: Sasha Vs. Bayley Vs. Charlotte U.S. Title: Rusev Vs. Roman Reigns Best-of-Seven finals: Sheamus Vs. Cesaro Cruiserweight Title: Perkins Vs. Kendrick Tag Titles: New Day Vs. Bullet Club Sami Zayn Vs. Jericho Nia Jax Vs. Alicia Fox on the kickoff show. Anyone planning on watching live?

Dave is just trying to say that both terms are derogatory & used to demean people. Which is true. I just disagree that both terms were used similarly because you can't remove the history from the n-word & I believe the people that used that word damn well knew what they were saying & doing. Calling someone a mark is never going to have the same impact. I remember in the past something came up with Meltzer talking about the n-word & how it was just accepted in the wrestling business, which I assume is what Brandon is talking about in the bottom of that image. It was never "accepted" by black people, in or out of wrestling. Regardless of what Dave says. I think we had a discussion about that stuff when it happened too, maybe even earlier in this thread. I get what Dave's trying to insinuate here, that it was just a part of the business & how he's acting like in the context of pro-wrestling, the n-word it's not racial... but you CAN NOT disassociate that word from racism. It's not the same thing as mark at all. The history of hate, bigotry & heinous acts is not lost on people. Like Loss said, of course the wrestlers knew the difference. Yes, people within the industry, even today sadly, still casually toss around racial slurs but it was not then, now or ever will be a socially accepted business term & when Dave just acts like "it's a part of the business" he's being exceptionally naive. Now, had Dave in the past not made those comments & remarks, this tweet wouldn't be an issue at all, at least to me. I feel some of this is the wrestling bubble. Nevertheless, come tomorrow, I'm sure this will have all blown over anyway.

I'll admit, when I read the thread title, I drew a complete blank. These are two great shout outs though. Props.

Man, this section of the forum is completely dead lately.

Damn, when Pat Patterson was young he looked eerily similar to Patrick Swayze.

Which doesn't make ANY sense to me as Swan is the shits. I see absolutely nothing in that dude. He's as generic as they come. Even his ring gear makes him look like a jobber. I don't get the love for him AT ALL.

Goodness no. I think Danielson is leagues better. Really in what way? Like I can see why Bryan may be better but to say there is a gulf seems a bit of an exaggeration to me. In terms of offense, Bryan is more prone to the mat, but AJ can certainly go; AJ's strikes are better in my opinion and he is the better flyer. AJ is a better bumper than AJ. Bryan can be better at the act of selling but also more prone to blowing it off. AJ is the better trash talking heel who works awesome control segments. Daniel Bryan's finish run is electric but often feels show horned into the match. Hands down Bryan is the better character. So his matches implicitly have more emotion but that should not be conflated with him being the better wrestler. As I think AJ is able to get more out of a variety of opponents in a variety of settings. I say it is close but I'm sticking with AJ I don't think there being a gulf is an exaggeration. Daniel Bryan finished #5 in the Greatest Wrestler Ever project right here on PWO. AJ Styles was #39 by comparison. So even others right here would agree. I don't think that AJ is a better striker, like you said he was. I disagree with that vehemently. I also don't think AJ is a better bumper, like you said. Part of the reason why Bryan got so over in WWE was because he was so good at garnering sympathy. As you noted, Bryan is a better mat wrestler - I don't think anyone would dispute that. Bryan is also one of the best hot tags I've seen in years. High flying doesn't mean anything to me & never has. Plus to me, AJ Styles often comes off as sloppy, blowing his own signature moves & spots frequently. Especially the backflip Reverse DDT. I wasn't a fan of Styles during his run in ROH, TNA or NJPW & I'm still not real high on him in WWE. When it comes to in-ring, I think Bryan is better. When it comes to character, I think Bryan is better. When it comes to promos, neither are great, admittedly, but Bryan has entertained me more, often with humor, than Styles has. I don't think it's close. I think Bryan beats him in almost every category. That's not hyperbole.

Goodness no. I think Danielson is leagues better.

That Intercontinental Championship match was a TON of fun & I have not been a fan of Dolph Ziggler for quite some time. They drew me in. "I think we all knew Dolph Ziggler was going to lose..." - Jerry Lawler. Lawler has been going in on Dolph all night.

They should protect the Uso's double-team knee kick the way they do Randy Orton's punt. Make it like a super move that injures people. Dolph Ziggler came out to very little crowd reaction. The Miz has been on fire lately. So I hope he retains, unless they're pushing him to the world title.

Uso's use Konnan's old Tequila Sunrise as a finish now? That's pretty cool. The double team jumping kick to the leg is a death move.

Just to throw it out there in case anyone is following along with the thread & not watching the show, they did do a backstage segment where Bray Wyatt injured Randy Orton, which I assume if their "out" to get him out of the match.

I have been digging David Otunga on commentary. His remark about Mojo using the crowd to make all of his matches a home game made a lot of sense!

The preshow panel feels too forced for my liking. I like the idea in theory I am just not a terribly big fan of the execution. I'm trying to be more positive, not just toward WWE or this show but in general as I think I'm a terrible person. I have to get out of the mentality of automatically thinking about the negatives instead of focusing on the positives. I think it's awesome that we still have Jerry Lawler with us, for example. One of the greatest pro-wrestlers of all-time.

I'm with Codysseus. I'm pulling for Becky in the Women's Title match solely because I like her.

Shows like this, which have a weak looking card on paper, sometimes genuinely surprise me. So in that regard, I'm sort of excited for the show because I have expectations that, at the very least, will be met. And, in all probability, if we get any decent match or entertaining skit, will probably be exceeded. Also, I have no idea what is going to happen, so maybe I could be pleasantly surprised at an outcome or two. I don't have anything else going on tonight anyway. I can't sit through NFL football games anymore. I don't play fantasy football & the commercial breaks suck my will to live.

My biggest issue, from what I have read around various corners of the internet (including my own Facebook Timeline), is people keep saying "he lasted longer than I thought he would!" Really? Two minutes in the first round was that much drastically longer than you "thought" he was going to last? He got taken down, got rocked, gave up his back & got choked out in that time frame. You thought that was all going to happen in thirty seconds instead? It's just so silly. I feel like we're all marks today. We got worked by Dana.

How many more times is that guy gonna cry about the eye? Anyway, I agree with Sek in that Punk is in a no-win situation. Of course, I also truly believe that UFC is mostly a work anyway, so whatever. So is the NBA & NFL.

I feel like this would have been bigger news if everyone didn't already know that it was going to happen. Of course, this makes it official. What really interests me though, is that I read that Paige also quit. She also apparently hired a lawyer.

Indy wrestling passed me by a long time ago when fans started celebrating workers like the Young Bucks. There was some flak towards workers like Davey Richards for awhile that I remember but I hate the current Indy style & now a lot of it is working into WWE. Kevin Owens if the current champion!

Sort of where I am at. I thought it was a fun brawl but I'm not seeing this 5* or 4*+ that others are seeing. Honestly, I don't really have a desire to watch it again but I probably will because there's just so much hype around it & maybe I missed something as I was watching it with company over. They did both bleed buckets though. I will say, I was genuinely surprised that the video quality was as good as it was. I was definitely not expecting that.

Can TNA even pay him though?

He just doesn't work in WWE, for whatever reason. He seemed like a big fish in a small pond when he was in Lucha Underground though. He had the aura of a superstar there. I wish he would have never went back to WWE.