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To me match length isnt really a concern. The benefits of a long match to me, if done well, are the payoffs from earlier in the feud or even just earlier in the match. If say a leg is being worked over repeatedly and is sold very well then at about the 30 minute mark the wrestler isnt able to perform a standard move or finisher and it costs him the match then to me that length of time helped tell that story. Another benefit of having a longer match is to show the fatigue of the wrestlers and how much despiration is being put into every move or spot. An hour long draw if done well continues feuds and storylines very easily. However a match doesnt have to be long to be great. If the wrestlers involved are good at a fast paced sprint type of match and can still tell some what of a story without it coming off as a rushed spotfest than that to me is great as well. Take Owen/Kid from KOR 94 for example. A very fast paced match and might have been under 6 minutes. I was blown away by it and to me it definitely felt longer which means they did enough to suck me in during that short period of time. I always thought guys like Malenko and Mysterio would have great short tv matches with each other as well. Chemistry is more than likely the key component to a great short match. I'm sure there are many under 10 minute matches i consider to be great but thats just me.

So would Bock complete the mount rushmore of 80's American guys along with Funk, Lawler, and Flair? Or would someone like Rose it Hansen be better suited in that spot? I would say Hogan but I think the other guys are better and more versatile workers

Man Embry was awesome in 92 uswa check anything out from that run. The more and more I watch guys like embry and lawler and guys like that I'm starting to except southern brawling as my favorite style of wrestling

Am i the only one having a problem subscribing to this podcast? It doesnt let me download the newest episode.

Can't wait to see what comes of this as this era is rarely talked about and is pretty interesting to me. Is there a working list yet? Or at least a figurative top ten? How do u feel about guys like mulligan and the desyroyer, would they make the list? Maybe a cool comp could come out of this with random matches or footage

At least someone understands lol. To be a kick punch guy and look good is very challenging but guys like Lawler and Murdoch to an extent make it look phenomenal almost like they're in a bar playing darts and someone hits on their woman so they end up in a straight up bomb throwing fight. Anyways a little off track but yea that's what I meant

By moveset I'm talking "moves" like a technical wrestler would use or a shitty indy guy. It wasn't a knock by any means and a limited moveset is often times a lot better. Some guys try and do too much and unless you're highly skilled like a benoit or guerrero for example you should really just stick to what looks best and occasionally throw in a few surprise spots here and there. So yea I didn't mean limited in a negative sense I meant it in a smarter sense.

Kill em All a loop of mass transit and new jack vs vic grimes. Fuck it any new jack match Gods Son Every Shane McMahon match. Eletric Circus The thundercage match from havoc The Great Depression A TNA comp

Wow great piece and I barely even started it. Thanks for the info. I'm assuming Kris Z is the guy for Georgia

Can anyone shed light on II or suggest matches or angles? Saw a little bit of him on the Mid-South set and always found him interesting despite knowing virtually zero about him. I've always heard he was extremely over in Georgia which is another promotion I know little about but what I've heard sounds very good. So was he a top guy? Was he overrated? Would he be considered a top territory guy at least?

Yea his stuff on the 92 yearbook is gold also. His promos are insane and he brings that disgusting sleaze ball attitude every time he talks. His accent along with his greasy hair make him such an awesome nasty heel. He legit looked like a good ole boy from the trailer park. The angle with the battery acid involving the moondogs was awesome and was a great face turn for embry.

So if you have a big moveset it can all look like crap? Also, how big a moveset did guys have in 1990-92 WWF, really? Where in my comment does it say that u can have a big moveset it can look shitty?

Yea i agree on the Henry comparison. When someone keeps their moveset limited they have to make the moves look impactful and know exactly when to time their spots. I thought Henry especially in 2011 was awesome at that much like Tenta would be. When you're a limited worker you can really stand out as long as you're stuff looks solid. Not saying Tenta was necessarily limited in a sense but he was more of a traditional big man.

I freakin loved Tenta and his match against Big Bubba with the quarters on a pole is surprisingly pretty good. Not sure exactly what show its on.

Skimmed through and didnt see the Davey Boy/HBK ONO title match. Assuming its a lock but had to mention it if its not

Yea i thought Vader had a ton of potential in WWF but for some reason it fell apart after the Summerslam HBK match. I'm sure politics were partly to blame but i easily could've seen Vader in the role of one of Sid's two reigns even headlining Mania with Taker playing off the Fatal Four way match in which Taker gushed Vader's eye

Man Vader in 95 WWF would have been awesome. Leave Mabel a face and have that sumo fest of a match just for novelty's sake. Something crazy like Kid vs. Vader would've been awesome too

I had Benoit/Angle on mine unless you're referring to both of our posts earlier. Yea most of my favorite WWF matches werent for the WWF title but i did like Bret/Bulldog Dec. 95 as well so it might be out of that and HBK/Sid for me