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More BattlARTS Ishikawa v Otuska 1/20- It's THESE two. Probably the best match between them, but it's been a while since I saw their all time great ten minute match from 2/97. Ishikawa/Otuska v Ikeda/Greco 4/19- Greco and Ish shake hands after the match and Ikeda just pummels Ish. IDK the full story but things started to seems to get ridiculously heated. The match is really great as well so it's not a purely story-driven recommendation. Ishikawa v Greco 4/24- after it's over Ikeda comes to wipe out Yuki again. I wish I had actually watched this before the 5/27 Ish/Ikeda because I can only imagine all of it making it better. Also, shockingly, a great match. There's other BatBat that's really good, but I think this is the stuff to REALLY put on there (plus what's been mentioned by FLIK and Ditch obv). Thought I'm probably missing a bunch. Fuck me, Ishikawa might have been the best wrestler in the world in 1998. And again in 1999.

I can't bring myself to rank him above Taker, but Taker's worst is so bad I don't think I'll have that opinion forever. Plus Cena's having more and more good matches as the years go by. Sting.....this comparison was brought up with me an a few other guys sometime in 2010 or 2011, and I seemed to be the only one who thought Sting might be better or even comparable, but at this point I'd probably give it to Cena. *Pretty* confident I'd have him above Jericho and Luger. Though I'll say if I had a choice b/w a random match from any guy there, Cena would be the last guy I'd choose. I'll probably actually come up with 100 guys and gals (not that many gals since my joshi viewings are limited) who I'd put above him later tonight for the fun of it.

I made a "Rank Em" thread asking where people would rank Ricky Morton as an all timer and someone did one for Cena. It's worked similar to a DVDVR purotopia great appreciation debate where there's poll options of "top this-and-that".

I'm Blackheart over there, and already said no. I can't say what it is, but I get the feeling the big Cena fans are seeing something in his matches I don't. Like when I watch Monsta Mack bend a ladder in half by merely trying to jump off of it and I wonder why it isn't recognised as the greatest moment in ROH history. I'll cop to admitting there's a little visceral apathy to Cena, but I don't see a top 100 wrestler in him.

Looks like I'm a bigger Michaels fan than most here and will say if I made a top 100 matches of all time I'd probably only consider Mind Games as an inclusion. I'd have to watch the best Rockers stuff again, but there's way too much good wrestling for him to be in a personal list of top 100 matches more than twice.

Just watched Ishikawa v Ikeda 5/27 and thought it might be MOTYC. Loved it. Noticed on Loss' lucha list there's no Santo v Felino 10/18. That's probably the 98 MOTY and should in no possible way in hell be left off of the set.

Watching random WCW b-shows. I don't have an EricR-esque love for them, but the more I see, the more I like the idea of wrestling shows going forty minutes w/out commercials. I probably liked the seven minute Dean Malenko v Norman Smiley that just finished more than all but five WWE matches I've seen this year. Three hour Raws. Get the fuck outta here.

are these supplement sets all going to be the same size? As in, X discs for 96, 93, 92 or X discs for 96 and Y discs for 93 depending on how much you think was missed?

We Actually Make Dancing Look Cool- La Parka, Too Cold Scorpio, Grandmaster Sexay The Smash Mouths- Fit Finlay, William Regal, Greg Valentine The Smashed Mouths- Mick Foley, Toshiaki Kawada, Chris Benoit It doesn't matter what their team name is they probably aren't showing up anyway- Scott Hall, Davey Richards, Sean Waltman. Shooting Star Press- Brock Lesnar, Marek Brave, Billy Kidman Two and a Half Men- Any two male wrestlers + Chyna. I've always wondered how great it'd be to see Hashimoto and Tenryu in the same setting as the All Japan 90s guys. Misawa/Kobashi/Hashimoto v Kawada/Taue/Tenryu sounds like it just *may* hit three stars or so.

I'd have Jake far, far ahead of Angle. Jake doesn't really 'bump', but I think he knows how to make his opponent look good while selling their move(s). On offense there's just no comparison; watch Jake work the arm of Ricky Steamboat. Hell, watch him work the eye of the Dirty White Boy. He looked drugged out of his fucking mind and had a better control (insert something other than segment*) than I've probably ever seen from Angle. *

Psicosis looks like the total biggest scumbag I can find. I first noticed it when watching his unmasked stuff in 2001; I mean you look at someone like Juvi, and he kind of just looks like this charming Mexican kid. Psic looks like a complete wankbag, and when looking at him I lose all surprise I had that he stole a car with a water pistol.

The big Flair v Kerry in 85 was on a Maivia program wasn't it?

Hell half of the matches he listed for Shawn aren't even very good. And some of the good ones don't show that good a Michaels performance at all.

Anything with La Parka in it.

WHAT IS IT!? I don't want to throw the thread of track, but..... I'm genuinely excited at the prospect of really good Kamala. I seemingly like the Andre cage more than anybody else. On the subject of Demolition, WWE's tag team DVD from 2009 or 2010 has a Dems/Bees match that I really, really liked when I first watched it. I've never found Demolition to be particularly good or bad either way. I was always more apathetic to the Hart Foundation matches than most people.

Cena laps Angle to me. I've been watching a lot of Angle's 2001 peak recently, and even that, which stuff I didn't really like THAT much to begin with, hasn't held up. I haven't watched the two "big" Austin matches yet, but they had a really good match in January that I saw as pretty much an Austin carry. The worst Angle in 2001 is unbearable. I will never watch any match he had with Shane McMahon ever again. I'm way lower on Cena than a lot of people are and he wouldn't cross my mind if I were listing a top 100, but year after year the hits keep coming with the guy.

I have no idea how it holds up, but Shawn's the main man in the Survivor Series 2003 tag. Spends the meat of the match bleeding and playing the FIP and takes the losing pinfall. He and Trip are the main players in the 2006 tag (none of the face team even get eliminated IIRC), but it's not something to point to as a memorable Michaels performance the way the 2003 might be. He sure as shit isn't the guy to look at in the awesome 4/12/04 tag.

My point was it was too long since I've seen them so I wouldn't be counting them in the Michaels' Best v Sting's Best. Watching them way back when, I never thought where I'd rank them on a top Michaels matches list and remember jack shit about them. I rated Michaels pretty comfortably ahead of Sting and was giving Sting the benefit of the doubt for not including them, I'd think. On next watch I could think they're Shawn's best stuff, who knows.

That's just the thing, a lot of people here don't think Shawn's had many classic matches, and that the best Sting is better than the best Michaels. I don't think I agree with that; I'm a ridiculous Mind Games fan and would name it a classic and shove it ahead of any Sting match, but to me the best Sting match is the strap with Vader and I honestly don't think it' that far behind it. I still love the first HIAC and would probably rate it the #2 Michaels match, but I'd be iffy on deciding if it was better than the second best Sting/Vader or WarGames '92. I'd put the strap match over the HIAC easily, tbh. I haven't watched the Rockers/Rose & Somers stuff in a while so I'm kind of disqualifying that for now. I'm probably going to post a list of guys and gals I'd rate above Shawn some time in this thread. Maybe. I'm a wrestling fan, we all say we'll do something and then never actually do it. Sting won't be there. Shit I'd definitely rate Michaels ahead of Sting, but to think otherwise....I don't see why it's an out there opinion. ------ Side-request: whoever's going to list matches to check for a guy, can someone do Eric Embry?

I've got this on every Han v Dude I Don't Like match I've watched. There's been some guys I've seen him up against that annoyed the living shit out of me that I thought Han totally carried them to what was usually a very good and competitive match. I got the impression these other guys would be the kind of shoot wrestlers to lay on the floor with an armbar doing nothing if Han wasn't literally as good at making the match look legit as any wrestler I'll ever see.

Doink losing was the worst part of the show.

Even when I first got into lucha and was chucking at least ***3/4 at everything I saw that didn't involve Konnan, I didn't love this match. And I still don't love it. Good wrestling, and I wouldn't call it anything skippable, but it feels really mellow for a mask match. There's a mask/hair match from these two on youtube that I'm going to check out, hopefully I'll LOVE that one.

Cornette saying they should put seatbelts on the fat ugly women in the audience in fear that they'll drool all over the camera cables and eletrocute everyone was something that made me thankful for the rewind button. Must have watched that five times and laughed just as much each time.