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[1992-11-15-WWF-Wrestling Challenge] Interview: Bret Hart
WingedEagle replied to Loss's topic in November 1992
Hart interview with matches coming up against Papa Shango and Flair. I like the idea of him taking on all comers, but this wasn't exactly a murderer's row of challengers. Imagine if Watts had done this with Simmons facing off against Rude, Vader, Jake, Windham and others instead of the Barbarian. -
[1992-11-14-WWA] Eddie Gilbert vs Terry Funk (Texas Death)
WingedEagle replied to Loss's topic in November 1992
This was kind of tough to follow and really rate given the production and how all over the place they were, but these two can definitely brawl. Great punching, weapon shots and bumping around the gym (especially Gilbert's straight away back bump on a punch). I also liked how they incorporated a bunch of falls here without each successive one feeling like a new match with fresh wrestlers. They sold the hell out of this throughout. I can see why this was such a spectacle for 1992 that I believe Meltzer went a full 5 stars or close to it, and while it doesn't hold up as any kind of classic, its a fun look at what was going on and what these two could do in this setting.- 9 replies
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Hart celebrates a recent defense until HBK interrupts to promote Survivor Series title match. Solid promo from HBK tying in Hart's loss at Summerslam to DBS, who Michaels just beat. Not exactly a main event world title build, but Michaels stepped up his game here. I may be in the minority (at least in this thread) but I *love* some HBK music.
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This was much more fun than I recalled and a pretty great performance from HBK considering who he was working with. The heat here was pretty great, unless it was piped in and I missed it, as they didn't look as hot as they sounded. He mastered the role in '97, but Michaels was such a great heel here with his facials. Solid focus on DBS' back leading into a logical finish. ***1/2
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First of all, this was an awesome idea and the kind of fun that makes this place great. As for these dates: 1/4 -- I'd go for Nakamura/Sakuraba from this year. 2/28 -- The AJ tag was my #1 match on that set so it definitely takes this date. 2/15 -- Eddy wins! 3/27 -- Gun to my head I'd take the Horsemen sprint over MX/Fantastics but can't go wrong with either. Flair will have his days here. And his long matches, including many that hold up a ton better. 5/22/92 -- AJ 6-man is probably my match of an all around spectacular year, so it takes the prize. 8/18 -- Brock/Punk. No worse than top 3 MOTY for me at this point. 8/31 -- Doc/Kobashi, but I'm often times an irrational Kobashi fan. 11/20 -- I'm with you on Kong/Toyota.
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[1992-11-14-WCW-Saturday Night] Dustin Rhodes vs The Barbarian
WingedEagle replied to Loss's topic in November 1992
Barbarian with a nice catch & powerslam on Dustin coming off the turnbuckle in one of the cut-offs Pete noted above. This was a well paced TV match that showcases Dustin's versatility as he sells really well here, making Barbie's offense look better than it does against most. He also puts this together without one of his great sequences on top where he's wailing away on an opponent, instead working underneath most of the wayDustin wins on on a roll up after Barbarian hits the post on a spear. **3/4- 7 replies
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[1992-11-14-WCW-Saturday Night] Bill Watts announcement
WingedEagle replied to Loss's topic in November 1992
Watts says Jake is out of WCW to deal with personal issues and Barbarian is taking his s place in King of Cable tourney. Real disappointing as there were a ton of potential for him in WCW following such a strong debut.- 7 replies
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Armstrong interview where he says Sullivan is banned from TV, but Brian Lee can get his hands on him at an SMW show off of TV. Probably effective to promote local shows. Says at Thanksgiving Thunder Sullivan gets the Mongolian Stomper, shown here in clips that looked decades old. Then a paid commercial from Sullivan. Completely over the top, but feels better here than WCW in 1995. Enjoyable now even if it wouldn't necessarily work. One of the real highlights from SMW thus far.
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Nothing too constructive to add at this time, but for my money Ohtani had some of the best facials offered by anyone in Japan. The guy was accessible to any wrestling fan unfamiliar with the Japanese product.
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Serious Greatest of All Time Candidates
WingedEagle replied to Dylan Waco's topic in Megathread archive
Bret Hart fetishism always has negative consequences on this board I love many a Bret Hart match and quite a few promos in '96-'97. I just don't see why this nonsense needs to drag down an otherwise high level discussion. I'm one who easily ventures off into thinking of someone as a draw, their promo work and other non-work intangibles. But this ain't the place for that. -
Serious Greatest of All Time Candidates
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Cool, maybe just do it elsewhere. No reason to drag this down. -
Serious Greatest of All Time Candidates
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How did the Serious Greatest of All Time Candidates thread become the WWF UK draws in 1992 thread? -
Vader/Cactus from '93.
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Right if the show is sold to a local promoter I can get it, though I can't imagine anyone plans on turning a profit with the trans expenses and available population bases there. Definitely not part of any loop you'd expect a touring promoter to hit.
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I'm glad someone asked. What was the thinking on an Alaska tour?? Has anyone else even tried to run a show there?
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Exactly. Let's make it go. Can push it to 6/1 if we want a round date. It'll be a great, cohesive way to take a snapshot of peoples' views and generating thoughts for what folks want to look into.
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Its a purely subjective analysis so you're never going to be fully confident in every call. There'll be consensus around certain names and positions, and less so about others. If it fosters interesting discussion and sparks people to either look back at something or explore something new, that's great. No downside.
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Is this always the case? If so it'd definitely help appreciate some matches a whole lot more, provided I know who's who going into it. There have definitely been times watching lucha where wrestlers just didn't fit the roles I expected for them going into the match. This might help explain why.
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Why not do it then? Hell, do it every year or 2. There will always be new footage popping up in circles such as this one, nevermind that tastes and opinions can change and evolve. No one should be wedded to prior rankings / votes. There are a bunch of guys regularly touted on PWO who I frankly have seen close to zero of. Perhaps that DQ's me from participating in the eyes of some, perhaps it doesn't. Ditto Matt D and the AJ crew. This is such a natural trigger for thinking and discussion that I don't see why it shouldn't be a regularly scheduled tradition.
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Did it literally feel like they were rewinding and playing this back on a loop? I've seen matches exactly like that where they go back to the same formula and don't do much to change up the heat or feel and literally just look to be adding minutes. But I'm sure we can also come up with tons of examples where they add in another chapter that builds towards the stretch and climax and throw in even a couple distinct wrinkles that tie to what occurred earlier. Curious where this fits, though from the description it sounds more like the former.