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I've been traveling for a week and had my ipod charger, but not the computer Its synced with , so I'm a couple episodes behind this and a couple other podcasts I frequent. Going to be a long catchup.
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Comments that don't warrant a thread - Part 3
WingedEagle replied to Loss's topic in Megathread archive
I'm with Brick on this one, black & blue Kobashi was great, but never felt like Kobashi. -
Those wipers were amazing. Maybe its just me but one of the more memorable moments from this era, perhaps because because they always included it in recap videos.
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I was going to be unhelpful and say every Shield 6 man from TV, but Jimmy gave you more than a significant sampling. Along with Punk/Cena from the February Raw, those are probably my favorite WWE matches of the year -- PPV or TV, before Summerslam. From Japan: Nakamura vs. Sakuara - 1/4 Tanahashi vs. Okada - April Invasion PPV Shibata vs. Ishii - G1 Tanahashi vs. Ishii - G1
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Mistcio & co. have an awesome entrance.
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That is the story of their whole feud so far. Sub-fifteen minute trios, with insane pacing and sick levels of violence Maybe its because I was trying to catch up on some other things at the same time, but that felt like it went by in a flash. Are they building to a hair match there as well?
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The Rush/Casas trios was way too short. A shame they couldn't squeeze find those minutes elsewhere in the undercard.
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I think the fact that Vince didn't go over the top in the Austin feud - at least as far as what he was asking of his employee - is what made it so easy for people to relate to and loathe that type of character.
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The Jim Ross Is A Grouchy Hateful Vile Human Being thread
WingedEagle replied to Loss's topic in Megathread archive
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Now we're getting somewhere!
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I'm generally a guy who prefers offense, but Morton is one of the best sellers I've ever seen and that's enough for him to take this one.
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If this conversation continues, everyone has to speak as though they're a character on The Wire. Its the only it can be fun.
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[1992-10-10-WCW-Saturday Night] Cactus Jack and Jake Roberts
WingedEagle replied to Loss's topic in October 1992
Cactus is great on the mic again, and he gets Jake talking about Spinner's Choice option which he says could end Sting's career and teases that it'll end up with a snake on Sting. Good stuff.- 10 replies
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[1992-10-10-WCW-Saturday Night] Up Close w/Erik Watts
WingedEagle replied to Loss's topic in October 1992
Watts looks like a complete stiff. Promo is boring as hell.- 9 replies
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[1992-10-10-WCW-Saturday Night] Cactus Jack & The Barbarian training
WingedEagle replied to Loss's topic in October 1992
Did Cactus's mic work here get him any kind of increased push? He was great here even if Barbarian was a mid-card act. This is a great video but I still don't understand why Barbarian is the top contender.- 10 replies
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[1992-10-10-WCW-Saturday Night] Contract Signing: Sting vs Jake Roberts
WingedEagle replied to Loss's topic in October 1992
Sting is not 2013 Sting on the mic, but classic Jake is still classic. Such an awesome heel. Loss hit this one on the head -- you were waiting for a silly angle to happen, but they kept it simple and let them work it on the mic. Then again, they also did that video in the bar with Mad USA & the midgets.- 9 replies
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[1992-10-10-WCW-Saturday Night] Interview: Bill Watts
WingedEagle replied to Loss's topic in October 1992
Man this was awesome. Watts talks about Eddie Graham, going back to cage matches, Texas Death, First Blood, Pole and other matches. The NWA didn't want to sanction those matches so they symbolically turn off the lights to note that its unsanctioned. That was actually an explanation I'd never heard before. I assume its legit?- 10 replies
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Horner has a concussion but will still wrestle DWB. That sure wouldn't fly today. Ron Wright is just great, and DWB is a solid heel but far from a world champion. The RNR deliver a promo about Cornette saying they can't challenge for the titles again. They promise a surprise for Cornette. Morton says its for the Midnight--excuse me, Heavenly Bodies, and he laughs at it too.
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[1992-10-10-USWA-TV] Jerry Lawler & Jeff Jarrett vs The Moondogs
WingedEagle replied to Loss's topic in October 1992
Clips from MSC with boards, signs, chairs as per the usual here. Fun looking brawl but the crowd doesn't seem as hot as earlier in the year. Lawler piledrives the ref and its called off. Good for what it was. -
[1992-10-09-AAA-Sin Limite] Blue Panther vs Super Astro
WingedEagle replied to Loss's topic in October 1992
I just wasn't feeling this as much as some others. Panther's solid on the mat, but everything in the first fall felt like CMLL in slow motion without any urgency or tension. Even though probably 90% of his face is masked, I still dig Panther's facials and his ability to tell a story that way. Astro definitely flies well for a heavy. The finish was also pretty anticlimactic. Nothing wrong here, but nothing particularly compelling or memorable. ***- 17 replies
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I came into this knowing it was basically Jumbo's last ride and enjoyed the hell out of him here. Soup said it best, every time he wanted a reaction he got one. What an awesome wrestler. As much as I was digging him, Taue got hitched to the rocket a bit here, DDT'ing Gordy on the floor, winning power struggles with both Americans and countering them like a seasoned vet. You'd think after all of that that he'd surely eat the pin following a double power bomb, but Jumbo is there for a great last second save. Taue finally grabs the big win with a couple nodowas on Gordy following a nice finishing stretch. ***1/2
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I thought this was a really nice mesh of the slow stiffness you'll get from JWP like the Kansai vs. Ozaki singles match with the gogo style of Toyota or Kyoko. Oz shows why she's one of my favorites here, tearing Fukuoka apart and working as a great heel with her focus on the knee and hair pulling. Kansai's suplex to Suzuki on the floor was absolutely brutal. I don't know how much she was selling as opposed to working around a ton of pain immediately after, but it didn't look like she had fun taking it. They told a great story with Kansai as the monster ace here who wouldn't go down until Oz & Suzuki hit a ton of double team spots on her. Kansai tags out for a breather and lets Fukuoka take more of a beating, as well as botch a rana on Suzuki who tries to cover for her. Hot finish with big moves & near falls including a Kansai Bomb before a double headbutt and Oz standing tall like she should. ****
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Regarding Pedro/Backlund, I haven't looked at any numbers recently outside of what's been posted here. Was there any point from when Ivan won the belt until Hogan where the company drew substantially above or below a certain trend line? From the limited numbers here, certain big matches that would be expected to pop the house did so, but otherwise there was a decent floor below which things didn't really fall, and not with consistency. Coming at it from a devil's advocate perspective, how much credit are we giving or taking from these guys for keeping business at a certain level, or was there a similar trendline to the modern era where when business moves, you can point to it -- Punk in '11, Mania, Rock, Lesnar, Henry @ MITB?
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Giddyup. I think there's a very strong argument on both sides of this coin. The language differences can certainly set a high barrier that takes some time to cross. Announcers, promos and crowd reactions help us understand what and why we should care about things in domestic wrestling, particularly early when you're discovering and being introduced to something. I've never tried it, but wonder how a fan would approach let's say WWE today watching entirely on mute. I've got a deaf cousin who unfortunately isn't a wrestling fan but can only wonder how our views might differ on the same product, with or without closed captioning. Similarly, I'm just not into foreign films. I love reading and I love watching movies, but if I'm going to the movies I just don't want to read a book there, so I basically close myself off to that space. Its not necessarily reasonable but it works for me. Wrestling is different because as much as the audio makes a difference (and even if you don't speak the language you can certainly pick up on a ton of emotional cues from the announcers), its a primarily visual form. There's also something to Loss's point as well about people turning off a given style perhaps solely because of who's doing it or what's presented. I can't defend it as well thought out, but if someone for whatever reason can't get into two women doing their thing in Japan, they're obviously entitled. Perhaps its superficial, but you can't force yourself to dig something that just doesn't connect at all. Either way, let's make that pod a go and show AJ how to properly execute a Styles Clash!
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[1992-10-04-PWFG-Stack of Arms] Yoshiaki Fujiwara vs Zaour Chabadze
WingedEagle replied to Loss's topic in October 1992
Chabadze working on top early, using his size advantage to control Fujiwara. A similar story to Flynn/Sano but here the big guy controls everything. After a rope break Fujiwara knocks him down with a slap and is thrown down into a choke as a reward for a rope break. Chabadze grabs a leglock and takes it down, but Fujiwara grabs one of his own and forces a tap. Cool showing for Fujiwara and nice preening afterwards, but not a great match. **3/4- 12 replies