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[1951-04-20-Kohler Chicago] Gypsy Joe vs Leon Kirilenko
Moonsault Marvin replied to Loss's topic in 1950-1951
Gypsy Joe faces Leon Kirilenko in a one fall match. I don't know whether Kirilenko is a child molester or not, but he is a creepy looking guy who walks hunched over. They both get booed by the crowd, so this is a heel versus heel match. Davis mentions Kirilenko caused a riot in a previous appearance in Illinois. Kirilenko starts with a hammerlock and immediately goes for the punch to the gut. He gets Joe to the mat and drops the leg on the bent arm. Davis mentions Kirilenko is one of the most despised men by the crowd that he's ever seen. Joe gets back to his feet and tries to escape the hammerlock, but Kirilenko hits him in the stomach again. Joe responds by punching Kirilenko in the stomach and escaping. Joe sends Kirilenko flying with a series of snapmares, but Kirilenko goes back to punching. He works the leg while using the ropes for leverage. After being stood up by the referee, Joe grabs a headlock and starts punching. This leads to some brawling between the two. Joe arm drags him to the mat and grabs a wristlock. Kirilenko grabs a handful of hair to take control, but Joe responds by doing the same. As they go back and forth, the referee finally catches the hair pulling. Joe throws a nice standing dropkick. Kirilenko regains control with a snapmare and some choking. He begins stretching Joe's arm. Joe tries to roll Kirilenko on his shoulders to pin him and uses the rope for leverage, but Kirilenko eventually gets him back down, taking his turn using the ropes. Kirilenko tries the hammerlock again, but Joe nails him in the back with his fists. Joe uses a series of hip tosses next. Kirilenko starts throwing some vicious strikes. After a snapmare, he drops the knee repeatedly on the throat. Joe gets mad and throws some hard punches to the upper chest. He ties Kirilenko up in the ropes and punches him until Joe gets disqualified for not answering the count. This was a fun match, especially as it descended into a brawl at the end. -
[1951-03-30-Kohler Chicago] Lou Thesz vs Mighty Atlas
Moonsault Marvin replied to Loss's topic in 1950-1951
I really like Thesz's facial expressions when selling and the constant movement of his legs when he is in a hold. Great to see that ending in a 50's match. -
Hans and Fritz Schnabel fight El Hombre Montana and Ramon Cernades in a two out of three falls match under Texas tag rules, which is the traditional tag team rules. Russ Davis, however, gets confused and calls the first fall like it's Australian rules, in which both team members have to be pinned for the fall. He invents a disqualification at the end of the first fall. I'm not sure if the competitors have turned since the 1950's matches or if the heel/face dynamic is completely fluid in this era of wrestling. Hans has been bad, good, and now bad again. Montana and Cernades were hated in the match from two months before, but now get polite cheers. Hans continues to show that he has a larger repertoire of moves than the other wrestlers as he uses a body slam on the hammerlocked arm. This injures Cernades's shoulder, which allows the Schnabels to win the final two falls.
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[1951-01-05-Kohler Chicago] Mighty Atlas vs Chief Lone Eagle
Moonsault Marvin replied to Loss's topic in 1950-1951
Mighty Atlas fights Lone Eagle in a two out of three falls match. Mighty Atlas has turned heel since the 1950's match. Lone Eagle is supposedly the face, but he cheats throughout the match. Lone Eagle moves strangely in an indescribable way. I'm not sure if he is just awkward working barefoot or this is part of his gimmick. His wife Bonita sits ringside and beats a drum. This match is quite boring with no real interesting work. The first fall ends in a disqualification after Mighty Atlas doesn't break his full nelson when Eagle gets to the ropes. Commentator Russ Davis claims Atlas's fingers swell together, so he can't get his hands apart in time. When he wins the second fall with the full nelson, he has no problem releasing his hands when the referee signals him to. Eagle gets counted out in the third and loses the match. -
[1950-11-03-Kohler Chicago] Mighty Atlas vs Great Moto
Moonsault Marvin replied to Loss's topic in 1950-1951
Mighty Atlas takes on the Great Moto in a one fall match. The film seems darker here than in the other matches. This match has lots of wristlocks...lots and lots of wristlocks. Atlas has a muscular upper body, but he doesn't really have any power moves to utilize his strength. Only worthwhile part of this match is Moto's goofy sleeper hold. He rotates his thumb into the side of the neck. They announce the time during the middle of the match, so you know what is coming. Moto tries Atlas's finisher, the full nelson, but Atlas easily breaks it. Then Atlas gets the full nelson, but Moto makes it to the ropes. The twenty minute time limit expires, so this one ends in a draw.- 2 replies
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- november 3
- 1950
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[1950-11-03-Kohler Chicago] Gorgeous George vs Hans Schnabel
Moonsault Marvin replied to Loss's topic in 1950-1951
Gorgeous George fights Hans Schnabel in a two out of three falls match. George comes out to "Pomp & Circumstance" wearing his fancy pink robe and feathers. The kids in the front row clamor for the pins that he throws out to the crowd. He gets lots of booing when he is announced. He riles up the crowd by stalling in taking off his robe. The match starts off slow with several lockups getting broken by the ropes. George is quite effective at stalling. Schnabel is able to reverse George's hammerlock into a headscissors. After some hair pulling, George goes back to the hammerlock and comes down with a knee to the back. George does a nice looking wristlock, which Schnabel counters by pulling George's hair. He does a knee lift, which gets a big bump out of George. George works a reversed chinlock, which turns into smothering the mouth and nose. George doesn't seem to be in the same league as Thesz or Rogers on the mat. Schnabel finally starts some of his harder strikes to the chest, which he also did well in his tag match in the archive. George wins the fall after two flying mares. Schnabel gets more aggressive in the second fall, stomping and kicking George. George is able to take him down and work the leg, cheating by using the ropes for leverage. They brawl some, but then Schnabel suplexes George. This is first suplex that I've seen in these Chicago matches. Schnabel gets the pin. In the third fall, Schnabel takes it to George with punches, knees, and a knee drop. He puts him into a slam position, running him into the turnbuckle and then a body slam. He kicks him out of the ring to the floor. The hotheaded Schnabel shoves the counting referee to get to George and gets disqualified. George then brings a chair into the ring, but the referee is able to get it away from him. This match got better as it went on. With his hard hitting, I've liked Schnabel in both matches that I've seen him in. I prefer Buddy Rogers to Gorgeous George so far in a comparison of the famous heels. George didn't work the holds with the vigor or variations that Rogers does. George certainly works his character well through his mannerisms and stalling.- 1 reply
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- november 3
- 1950
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[1950-09-09-Kohler Chicago] Bozo Brown vs Johnny Balbo
Moonsault Marvin replied to Loss's topic in 1950-1951
Not much of note in this match. The crowd seems amused anytime the fat guy, Bozo, runs the ropes. Balbo shows some quickness at times with a flying headscissors and spots like running under the legs. They finally start brawling at the end with some forearms. Bozo throws Balbo out through the ropes, and after Balbo returns, Bozo gets disqualified for choking Balbo for too long.- 1 reply
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- september 9
- 1950
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[1950-09-09-Kohler Chicago] Bob Geigel vs Buck Weaver
Moonsault Marvin replied to Loss's topic in 1950-1951
Weaver's toehold where he was turning the ankle really looked punishing. Weaver's finish was interesting. It looked like a botched stunner out of nowhere turned into a weird chinlock.- 2 replies
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[1950-04-14-Kohler Chicago] Great Moto vs Ivan Rasputin
Moonsault Marvin replied to Loss's topic in 1950-1951
This match was a bit slow. Moto's thumbs to the ears to break the bearhug was the highlight of the match. I liked the way that Ivan jumped and kicked. I read that Ivan hurt his back in 1946 and had fusion surgery, so he was probably on the downside of his career here. I wish that there was footage of him in his prime. -
Benito is like a fat Santino Marella. Both teams were laying it in with those strikes to the upper chest.
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There is a 1963 Kowalski match on youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pl1fjVs_Ulg
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[1950-06-21-Kohler Chicago] Lou Thesz vs Buddy Rogers
Moonsault Marvin replied to Phil Schneider's topic in 1950-1951
In the 1951 match between Thesz and Rogers, Rogers occasionally doesn't make a clean break or throws a punch, but in this match, he is an out and out heel. He cheats every chance he gets. I definitely agree that this one was more of a Buddy Rogers showcase.- 11 replies
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[1951-01-05-Kohler Chicago] Buddy Rogers vs Cyclone Anaya
Moonsault Marvin replied to Loss's topic in 1950-1951
The Chicago Film Archives mislabeled the name on this one. His name is Cyclone Anaya not Ayana. This is a two out of three falls match. Anaya starts out working the arm, but Rogers escapes. Rogers takes control with a side mare into a headlock. Anaya takes back over with working the arm, but Rogers is able to pick him up and teases slamming him out of the ring, which he stops with the referee's warning. Anaya next works on the legs and does a hold on the mat where he splits the legs apart. After Rogers counters, Anaya goes to the headlock. They do some rope bouncing and Rogers gets a flying headscissors. Rogers puts on a clinic for working the hammerlock. He rams the knee and then bends the wrist to add more pain. Anaya eventually wins the fall when Rogers quickly submits to the cobra twist. In the second fall, Rogers goes to variations on the body scissors and really wrenches Anaya's head. He then uses a cool looking hold, the leg nelson. Rogers begins to use some heel tactics by giving Anaya a forearm when he was against the ropes and later slaps him in the face. Rogers is able to win the fall after a dropkick to the chin, some snapmares, and a piledriver. Anaya cannot continue after the piledriver, so Rogers wins the match. Rogers shows good sportsmanship, as he helps Anaya up at the end. Rogers continues to be impressive in these matches, as he really knows how to work the variations of the holds on the mat, so it never gets boring. -
[1961-04-14-NWA Chicago] Buddy Rogers vs Haystacks Calhoun
Moonsault Marvin replied to Loss's topic in 1961
The match was a little slow at the beginning, but it picked up when Calhoun started sitting and stomping on Rogers. Rogers looked good when selling, with his begging off and messed up hair. The broken rope was a cool way to finish it. The announcement of the hockey score in the middle of the match was funny. -
Really sad news. I always liked reading his collection of match results.
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[1951-01-26-Kohler Chicago] Lou Thesz vs Buddy Rogers
Moonsault Marvin replied to Loss's topic in 1950-1951
Thesz defends his title against Rogers in a 2 out of 3 falls match. I liked the first two falls. Lots of matwork including headlocks and body scissors. They both did a good job of selling in the holds. Both moved around, looking for ways to counter, and they didn't just lay there in the holds. I liked Thesz's alternating wrenching the ankle and elbowing Rogers in the back of the head. Thesz took an oversized bump off a shoulder block that sort of reminded me of Mr. Perfect. He won the first fall with an airplane spin, and Rogers wins the second fall after a piledriver. Something interesting in the match was their kicking out before the referee started counting. No two and a half kickouts here. Rogers strutted some, but it was subdued compared to Flair's version. The match dragged in the third fall. They became repetitive, going back to the same holds. Neither worked with any urgency as the time limit approached. It ends with a time limit draw and a handshake between the face Thesz and the heel Rogers.- 5 replies
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- january 26
- 1951
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I also enjoyed watching the hard camera version. Andre seemed so gigantic watching it that way. It really pointed out how effective he was at using the space of the ring.
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I like Goldust and Stardust as heels. Stardust's odd facial expressions work better for a bad guy, and the team no longer seems like a comedy act.
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Lassartesse was really impressive in that match. He had great heel mannerisms like the constant gum chewing and strutting. I also liked how he pushed that referee around.
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Your personal most Overrated and Underrated
Moonsault Marvin replied to JaymeFuture's topic in Megathread archive
I remember hearing a radio interview with Malenko, Guerrero, and Saturn shortly after they jumped to WWF, and I was shocked that Malenko was quite funny and personable. I'm not sure why he couldn't translate his personality to wrestling. -
Whose rep was particularly boosted by the Apter mags?
Moonsault Marvin replied to JerryvonKramer's topic in Pro Wrestling
Jushin Liger was frequently pushed in the magazines, even before he showed up in WCW. They called him Jushin Ryger in the beginning. With his elaborate costume, he was great for photographs. -
Meltzer: likely? There's not any real doubt that he killed her.
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I think they should hang two cases, one with the belt and one with the contract, for the MITB match. Then one wrestler could grab one case and another the other, and they could have a big reveal at the end when they open the cases.