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Thank you both very much for the kind remarks on the show, glad you enjoyed it :-) Luger being maligned has always bothered me a little, but moreso in recent years when you see so many cases of stop-start booking cutting guys balls off and the blame going to the promotion rather than the guy, whereas with Luger the blame somehow winds up on him. Let's see how over Batista is if he wins by countout at Mania 21 and does nothing for six months after. Heel Luger in 89 is very entertaining and genuine top heel material. Quite interested by the Garvin/Mysterio comparison that we tossed up in passing. Guys who had a great following that people were genuinely behind, until they were put in a bad situation with the World Title, poorly booked runs, and their reputations were never the same.

Just to update, the podcast taking all these suggestions and discussing the Underrated is up now at: http://squaredcirclegazette.podbean.com/mf/web/f8gusp/SCGRadio7-TheUnderratedInProWrestling.mp3

SCG Radio #7 takes your comments and discusses the Underrated in Professional Wrestling. A hell of a show with some good discussion on DDP, Ronnie Garvin, Mick Foley, Terry Taylor, Randy Orton's 2004 push, WWE music videos, Lex Luger and a hell of a lot more. Check it out, let me know what you think~! http://squaredcirclegazette.podbean.com/mf/web/f8gusp/SCGRadio7-TheUnderratedInProWrestling.mp3

94 was pretty shoddy for poor Lex, there really isnt too much to point too in his favour. But I sense a debate coming this week on the Overrated/Underrated show, because Lex is likely my pick - the was on the cusp on stardom twice, and both times the booking let him down, and there are performances and periods you can point to that certainly reflect well on his ability, agreed.

I'm very strongly leaning towards making the case for Lex as my "underrated" pick on the show, he has a largely negative stigma when people think about him and the case is there to be made against it. Granted, at his lazy worst it may be deserved, but even in 1999 (when it felt like the old man syndrome in WCW painted him in the negative light), his character work as a chickenshit heel with Liz was great. Ron Garvin is such a victim of circumstance it's not even close to being funny. One guy in particular on the show may criticise Garvin, but I'm keen to counteract him on that. I expect Terry Taylor to come up from somebody for underrated. On the fence for the overrated section.

So, for our next podcast, we're going to talk about the things in wrestling history that get either too much or too little praise, and look at the reasons why. Looking for some feedback to read on the show (and credit your fine selves for contributing), so: What is the ONE thing (angle/match/wrestler/show/whatever) that you feel is overrated more than anything else, and ONE thing you personally feel is most underrated, and explain why. I realise there is an entire subforum devoted to how certain individuals, matches and angles are rated, but it's more about personal opinion, what stands out the most when you first think this, and why? I'm interested to see the spread of opinion.

Agreed, I thought we won the one we actually lost and lost the one we actually won. ¬_¬

The Wyatt/Jericho feud is very indicative of Wyatt in general so far - there's not enough tangibility for the fans to connect with. The Cena feud was able to get away with it because, well, it's Cena, and anything he does attracts attention, and Wyatt gained from it. But they can only get away with this talking about nothing for so long before people see through it. It's as if they're not actually creative enough at all to do some outside the box angles with Wyatt, so that the face has something to tangibly react to. Side note, the Sting video was amazing. Sixty seconds, but gave my goosebumps. Fantastic piece of work.

As a babyface horseman, Flair, Arn, Steamboat and Dustin is pretty good looking for 93....put them in War Games with Vader, Rude and the Blonds and you have a hell of a better looking WCW 93 than the one we got. And if Flair and Arn go heel, instant hot tag matches too.

Thank you sir! Much appreciated! We did joke about the sheep wigs, but thankfully it never went further >_>

The podcast is up, and a lot of the thoughts here were read on the show, which ended up being a lot of fun. For those who can't be bothered to click on publications and podcasts, the link is here: http://squaredcirclegazette.podbean.com/mf/web/ay7qrj/SCGRadio6-TheTrialOfTripleH.mp3

We're back with the most heated SCG Radio thus far, as a judge, prosection and defence debate whether or not Triple H is guilty of indecent overexposure, and if his conspiracy to manipulate the system was a detriment to the wrestling business. We take your comments, and a full range of topics are covered in this one, which was a great deal of fun to do - let us know what you think. http://squaredcirclegazette.podbean.com/mf/web/ay7qrj/SCGRadio6-TheTrialOfTripleH.mp3

The first WWF magazine I ever bought was in 1993, with Bret holding Papa Shango in the Sharpshooter on the front cover. As a stocking filler for Christmas this past year, my girlfriend went on eBay and bought it for me again, which was pretty damn cool. But what struck me most in going through it was that in the middle of the usual WWF magazine fare is this one plain white page, which reads something like "The WWF has been coming under heavy fire from certain ex-wrestlers on improper allegations. Starting next month, WWF will break its silence and defend its image". I had no recollection of this at all. Also, I remember asking my mom to drive me to buy an early 94 copy (Shawn Michaels on the cover I think?) from a newsagent. On the way back, as I'm immersed in it, my Mom runs over somebody who was sprinting across the road. Ahhh nostalgia.

If wrestling had a perfect chance to do their equivalent of last night's 7-1, it was Brock and Cena at Extreme Rules. End that match in 3 or 4 minutes after a complete ass-whipping. It would have been so stunning and so completely different it would have put Brock on another level, and made Cena's "year of turmoil" story a lot more compelling, and make the eventual rematch a far bigger deal as well.

In preperation for this (since I'm on the prosecution), I've been looking at the ratings a lot, and it's quite interesting to watch the steady slide on Raw in 2002 while Smackdown stays consistent.

One of my least favourite things on Raw is when Michael Cole uses the phrase "knocked off". It's like he refuses to say beat or pinned. "Randy Orton knocked off Daniel Bryan last week on Smackdown"...."It was two weeks ago on Raw when John Cena knocked off Kane". Not only is it unnecessarily euphemistic language, but it sounds extremely lewd.

Got a good few ideas for candidates and situations to put on trial, but yeh, this is something we're going to do every few shows. As a quick point to explore, what were the peaks and valleys of Triple H in terms of effect on business? The Batista Mania 21 buyrate comes to mind as part of the positives, but how much or little do you credit him for various 2000 buyrates, and beyond Loss' 2002-2003, do you feel there are any other obvious failures?

What do you think the effect that had on the company at that time was?

So, for our next podcast, we're doing a court case format, where we have a judge, a prosecution and a defense, doing a point-counterpoint on Triple H. The charge is that his political maneouverings as a wrestler and his insistence on being pushed so strong has been more of a detriment than a benefit to the wrestling business. That's the key point, and whether the point is provable is what I find interesting about this - finding the major moments where his influence was a tangible negative on the product and the business over the course of his run. The defense is going to argue that he's been more of an asset than a liability, and that his stroke and influence has worked out more times than not. If you were trying to argue this (whichever way you swing on the debate), what examples would you point to in order to back up your case? We're going to read all the feedback on the show (as we always do), so this should make for a fun debate on the show, and I'm keen to see what people think, since this goes a little deeper than standard smark Hunter bashing - this is about the details and why or why not HHH's in-ring career has been bad for the industry.

Watched the wonderful 84 Mid-South episode where Magnum and JYD are to do a contract signing for a title match, when Mr. Wrestling II steps in ("I think it stinks"), Magnum says 2 is making an ass of himself and gets bitch-slapped. JYD'd reaction is utterly great ("Jesus Christ...."). Lovely angle.

Owen/Kid from KOTR 94 was the gut instinct pick. Also, if I recall, didn't Liger lose in three minutes to Ultimo because he had the brain tumour?

I've heard the "Tuesday is coke night" aspect before, with it only taking 72 hours to clear the system, but the video game being code is hilarious because I used to hear that so much in 2003-2004...

Love all the feedback in here, the show is now uo, posted in the Podcasts forum here: http://prowrestlingonly.com/index.php?/topic/27780-squared-circle-gazette-radio-5-the-good-the-bad-the-ugly-of-1994/ Dusty's promo was fantastic. Reading the back issues of the Observer I'm sure Meltzer said that it didn't draw in Dusty's old stomping grounds when they went there off the back of that promo, which I can't fathom, given how great it was.

The fifth episode is up, taking everybody's feedback and breaking down the Good, Bad and Ugly of 1994 in Pro Wrestling. This ended up being a lot of fun, talking Mania X, Bret Vs. Owen, Hogan, ECW, Mexico and Japan, Taker Vs. Taker and a lot more. Tough to keep it down to an hour, but check it out, let me know what you think http://squaredcirclegazette.podbean.com/mf/play/hjbyi2/SCGRadio5-TheGoodBadandUglyof1994.mp3

Since the topic was brought up on different forums and on the show, you're the first to mention Joe, which I think is a real shame, but speaks more to what TNA have done to him, because at one point I think his career trajectory was such that he could have been considered for his work has he gotten a great sustained run. But alas...