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In-ring ability vs Charisma and Historical Importance
dawho5 replied to AndreasL's topic in Pro Wrestling
Yeah, there are all kinds of charisma and it is going to take the right kind of charisma to get over with crowds in different places. Somebody like Misawa would not have gotten over in the U.S. near as well. Then of course you have guys like Hogan or the Rock who just exude whatever it is you need to get over anywhere. And in truth Hogan was a far better worker than we think. He just chose to do the bare minimum he needed to. Which is more of a 70s and earlier way of approaching wrestling. -
(Originally airing August 22nd, 1986 in Spanish on WAPA Channel 4 in San Juan, Puerto Rico. This broadcast is translated to English where applicable.) The opening montage featuring highlights of Carlos Colon, Chicky Starr, Invader 1, Invader 2, Invader 3, Abdullah the Butcher, Hercules Ayala, Bam Bam and Dutch Mantell plays. Carlos Colon doing a cartwheel and coming up fists at the ready leads to the WWC logo as the music ends. NWA and Capitol Sports Presenta Los Campeones De La Lucha Libre Con Tus Luchadores Favoritos De Fama Mundial Rickin Sanchez and Hugo Savinovich sit smiling at the commentary desk in Coliseo Municipal Pedro Rodriguez Gaya De Catano. They go over the card for tonight and hype up the main event, Ron Starr and Abdullah Tamba vs. Jos LeDuc and Hercules Ayala. Hugo talks about the mystery guest on the Sports Shop. Hugo and Rickin talk about the last week of singles matches between the Battens and Boyd and the Crusher. Los Tejanos vs. The Batten Twins The Battens control with smooth teamwork and babyface tag offense. An armdrag by Bart cuts off a Tejano comeback and a double dropkick puts the Tejanos away. Footage is shown of the battles between the Battens and Barrabas' crew. Rickin and Hugo talk about how the Battens more than held their own. (Commercial Break) Barrabas was out at the desk complaining about the tactics used by the Battens. Especially Brad hiding under the ring. Rickin points out that Barrabas had his men intentionally injure Bart's leg, which Barrabas points out is good strategy. Barrabas lays down a challenge to the Battens for a tag match on September 20th. Rickin and Hugo talk about TNT's dangerous finishing hold, the cobra dinamita, and how it put Gama Singh out. Domingo Robles vs. TNT w/El Profe TNT controls with martial arts strikes punctuated with big throat thrusts. He cuts off Robles with a superkick and clamps on the cobra dinamita for the easy submission. Profe has TNT hold on a little longer, then nods for him to release the hold. Rickin and Hugo talk about how TNT was suspended because of Profe, but continues to listen to him. (Commercial Break) Sports Shop The Sports Shop intro plays and we cut to Victor the Bodyguard and Abdullah Tamba on the Sports Shop set. A voice-over by Hugo Savinovich plays. Hugo: Welcome, ladies and gentlemen to the most watched wrestling program in Puerto Rico!! This is Chicky's Sports Shop and I'm pleased to announce your host, the most charismatic, best dressed man in Puerto Rico today, Chicky Starr!! Chicky walks in wearing his custom suit and his WWC Caribbean Tag Team Title over his shoulder. He picks up a microphone and sits down. Chicky: Welcome ladies and gentlemen to another great week in Chicky's Sports Shop. I say this because our guest this week is going to surprise and delight you! But first we need to talk about last week. The Caribbean Express showed why they are not really contenders for these (Chicky taps his Tag team title belt), and that should surprise no one. I don't need to show footage of that, you already know. Chicky pauses. Chicky: Ricky Santana lost to Owen Hart, one-two-three right in the center of the ring. Again, there is no need for proof. We all know that Owen Hart is by far the superior wrestler and more deserving champion. Jos LeDuc was humiliated all week by Abdullah Tamba. Again. Not only that, but Tamba also beat up Carlitos Colon! This is something you will want to see! A pieced together clip of Tamba beating up LeDuc and Colon is shown. Chicky: (English) And as you know fans, last week's television main event was an incredible wrestling match between my cousin Ronnie and NWA National Champion Arthur W. Crews. We saw great managing on both sides as well as great wrestling on both sides. I have both the champion, Arthur W. Crews, and his manager Rock Riddle with me this week. Riddle and Crews walk on to the set. Crews shakes Chicky's hand and Riddle has an extra long handshake with Chicky. The two talk without the microphone picking any of it up momentarily. All three sit down. Riddle: Chicky baby! I love your show! I knew you were an A-lister baby! Chicky: Well, I can't say I thought much of you right away, but as the match went on I realized I couldn't do any more for Ronnie than you were for your man here. We had to let them settle it in the ring. Ronnie and I have a lot of respect for you Mr. Crews. Crews: Thanks, your cousin gave me my toughest match yet. I don't think either of us expected to find competition like the two of you. Riddle: Couldn't have said it better myself. And of course I get involved in the Agency's matches. It's my job to make sure everyone watching knows Arthur J. Crews and the rest of the Agency are A-listers all the time baby. If all I did was watch, I wouldn't be doing that. Speaking of being an A-lister, that is a NICE suit. Chicky: Ric Flair gave it to me. He and I are close personal friends you know. Riddle: That's incredible! I've barely met the man, but here I am in Puerto Rico talking to a close personal friend of Ric Flair's. How is it you manage to make those kind of connections from Puerto Rico? Not saying it isn't nice here, Chicky baby, I'd rather be here than back in North Carolina right now. But there's no way I have my Hollywood connections that way! Chicky: You take advantage of your opportunities. Something you seem to do very well, and I respect that. How does a man with your obvious Hollywood connections end up all the way across the United States in the Carolinas? Riddle: Well, I was scouting talent in the Carolinas and a few A-listers like my man Dr. Tom Prichard. If he ever comes around this way, you should look him up. He's not a jealous B-level player like everyone in Puerto Rico not associated with you. And of course I found my Fabulous Blondes and the crown jewel of the Agency, Arthur W. Crews. He's a true A-lister, you said it yourself Chicky baby. Chicky: And I suppose they had to stay in the Carolinas. Riddle: Chicky baby, you get it. And that's not the only thing in the Agency's way. Do you think they get fair title shots? I mean when they get them at all. Chicky: I know all about that. My cousin and I had to scratch and claw our way to these titles and the WWC is always looking for ways to make sure we don't keep them. Riddle: That's how B-level players even the playing field Chicky baby. They try and cut the legs out from under you any way they can. Only true A-listers like us can find ways to get past that and become big stars! Chicky: Yes, and the fans treat us like we're not welcome for it. Riddle: They don't even deserve to be called B-level players and we both know it. End of the day we do what's best for business. It's the only way to make sure you're an A-lister, baby. Chicky: Agreed. I thnk this is the beginning of a mutually beneficial relationship. (Spanish) We're out of time fans and it's been a great two weeks. All things come to an end though and next week I'll be talking to Ricky Santana. Once again the WWC has threatened to take away the WWC Caribbean Tag Team belts. When will they learn that is not necessary? It hardly matters. I'll suffer through that conversation next week just the same way you all suffer through the parts of the show that aren't the Sports Shop. Chicky, Riddle and Crews walk off the set talking as Ric Flair's sign off plays. Back in the arena Rickin is irritated and talks about Chicky Starr's complete avoidance of the truth. Full clips are shown of LeDuc, Colon and Tamba's interactions over the last week. Followed by clips of the Caribbean Express challenging los Primos Starr for the Caribbean Tag Team titles. Rickin and Hugo talk about how the Express came close to winning despite anything Chicky might have said. Los Assassins vs. The Caribbean Expresss The Express use their smooth treamwork and quick tags to control the match. Castillo cuts off a comeback with a clothesline and tags Perez. Castillo sends Assassin 1 to the ropes and rolls out of the way as Perez catches Assassin 1 with a powerslam. Castillo is tagged in quickly on his way up top and Perez hits a suplex while Castillo lands a crossbody from the top rope for three. Rickin and Hugo talk up Castillo and Perez's teamwork and willingness to mix it up with los Mercenarios. Footage ofthe brawls between the Express and the Mercs is shown. (Commercial Break) Footage is shown from around PR of Los Invaders and Los Primos Starr fighting. Los Invaders are at the desk and they talk about los Super Medicos taking the tag titles from the Starrs on September 20th. They say after that they want a piece of the Starrs, throwing out the challenge to the Starrs for tag team matches across Puerto Rico next week. Invader 3 offers to give Chicky Starr a shot at the NWA LHW title if the Starrs can win two matches by pinfall or submission. Armandito Salgado vs. Dutch Mantell Mantell controls with a mix of brawling and technical wrestling. He cuts off a Salgado comeback with a flurry of right hands. A short lariat leads to the gourdbuster and that gets Dutch the three count. Footage is shown of Dutch Mantell and Bobby Jaggers fighting all over Puerto Rico. Rickin and Hugo talk about how bloody the feud has gotten and hype up the cage match on September 20th. They also mention that the venue for September 20th in Ponce has been changed to Estadio Paquito Montaner due to popular demand. And that if enough interest is shown the show will be shown closed circuit in Mayaguez and San juan. (Commercial Break) Hercules Ayala is at the desk and he talks about this being his last attempt at beating Bam Bam Bigelow for the WWc Caribbean Heavyweight title. He feels that if he can't do it this time Bigelow has proven to him that he is a true champion. That doesn't mean Ayala isn't going to fight though, so Bigelow better be ready for the fight of his life. Footage is shown of Owen Hart using the trunks to pin Ricky Santana, Santana using a flying attack with a cowboy boot to pin Hart and other clips of their fights across Puerto Rico. Rickin and Hugo talk about how personal this feud has become. Mr. X vs. Ricky Santana Santana controls with babyface technical offense. He cuts off an X comeback with a dropkick and climbs up top. The flying crossbody gets Santana the three count. Rickin and Hugo talk about how much Santana has developed in the last 9 months and the great potential he has. (Commercial Break) Rickin lets us know the Battens ahve accepted the challenge laid down by Barrabas. Footage is shown of Colon's battles with Abdullah Tamba and the Starrs across Puerto Rico. Much of it ending with a Colon figure four. Some footage of the tag match featuring Abdullah the Butcher is included. Colon is at the desk and talks about getting his Universal title back on September 20th. He has taken his revenge on Abdullah the Butcher and now it's time to get back the symbol that means so much to the Puerto Rican people. Rickin and Hugo talk about pride and revenge. They talk about how those things can come before things like titles. They then talk about the history between the combatants in tonight's main event. Ron Starr & Abdullah Tamba w/Chicky Starr vs. Jos LeDuc & Hercules Ayala LeDuc charges Tamba right away and the two big men go at it. LeDuc gets the advantage until Tamba hits a flying headbutt after running the ropes. Ron and Tamba work LeDuc over for a short while, but he tags Ayala in and Hercules starts in with the big punches. Ron goes low on Ayala and he gets worked over for a bit before LeDuc has enough and hits the ring. Referee Victor Quinonez can't stop him but allows the match to continue. In the chaos, Tamba sneaks in a schoolboy with a handful of tights to get the three count. LeDuc is even more angry and starts clubbing away at Tamba until he retreats to ringside with Chicky and Ron. Chicky makes sure everyone in the building knows Tamba won the match as he is hit with garbage. Rickin and Hugo sign off with a recap of the matches for September 20th. Main Event: Abdullah the Butcher vs. Carlitos Colon for the vacant WWC Universal Heavyweight Title in a Fire Match Los Super Medicos vs. Los Primos Starr (C) for the WWC Caribbean Tag Team Championships Hercules Ayala vs. Bam Bam Bigelow (C) for the WWC Caribbean Heavyweight Championship Ricky Santana vs. Owen Hart (C) for the WWC Light Heavyweight Championship in a Street Fight Dirty Dutch Mantell vs. Hangman Bobby Jaggers in a Cage Match Jos LeDuc vs. Abdullah Tamba The Batten Twins vs. Jonathan Boyd & The Crusher
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I am always glad to see AWA shows. Dundee taking the youngsters under his wing is a cool angle. Scorpio looks good against Race, but goes down anyway. Hall making the save is a nice bit of putting him over. I keep waiting for Furnas to bust out that amazing dropkick. Nord really took it to Gagne. Could Gagne be on his way even further down the card? Love the Sheepherders here. Those guys just don't listen to anybody. Poor Tanaka.
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Oh yeah, I forgot the Road Warriors were with WCCW now. Would have to add them to that.
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WWC House Show 8/21/86 Culebra, Puerto Rico The Batten Twins & Dutch Mantell vs. Jonathan Boyd, the Crusher & Bobby Jaggers w/Barrabas Mantell and Jaggers are under control right away with Jaggers again avoiding Dutch. Dutch even keeps his cool when Jaggers catches Bart with a knee to the back as he's running the ropes. Just barely. The resulting beatdown of Bart sees Dutch overheat a few times and cost his team opportunities to get a tag, one time distracting referee Tomas Marin from the actual tag. Dutch does take the tag and heads straight for Jaggers, who gets the worst of one exchange and runs for it. Meanwhile, Boyd and the Crusher double team Brad and then turn their attention to Bart. Crusher holds Bart while Boyd hits the three point stance clothesline for the three. Barrabas is jawing with the Battens and the fans on his way to the back. Invader 2 vs. Mercenario 1 Merc 1 turns this into a brawl fast, but Invader 2 doesn't mind and answers with sharp right hands and big left hooks. Merc 1 actually slows things down after a few high flying moves from Invader 2 and starts grinding him down. Invader 2 makes a big comeback, cut off by clubbering and a few power moves by Merc 1. A double throat chop out of nowhere catches Merc 1 and Invader 2 scores the win. Victor the Bodyguard & Chicky Starr vs. Los Invaders (1 & 3) Los Invaders work over both Victor and Chicky with smooth teamwork and babyface tag offense. Invader 1 actually starts off the low blows in this match with a punt to the nuts on Chicky. Which Chicky avenges to set up Victor and Chicky working Invader 1 over. They make Invader 1 work for the tag and Invader 3 shows everyone why he is the NWA LHW champ when he takes that tag. Chicky bails out of the ring after a particularly nasty series of punches by Invader 3, who then slams Victor down near the corner and hits the cannonball (top rope somersault senton) for the win. Ricky Santana & Jos LeDuc vs. Owen Hart & Abdullah Tamba w/Chicky Starr All-out brawl from before the bell and referee Ricky Vargas has no control over it. The match itself goes about 7 minutes before Vargas throws it out. Hart catches Santana with a brass knuckles shot and helps Tamba double team LeDuc while Santana lays on the ground bleeding. Tamba ends up hitting Owen with the tope when LeDuc moves and the two big men brawl with security needed to break them up. Both Hart and Santana need help getting to the back. Miguel Perez vs. Hercules Ayala Perez starts off hot and keeps Ayala on the defensive. Ayala's slower paced offense eventually wins out and he wears Perez down with it. Perez makes a comeback, but ayala goes to work on the leg and wins with the reverse figure four. Ayala raises Perez's hand after the match is over. Ron Starr w/Chicky Starr vs. Carlitos Colon This was a back and forth match with Ron actually using legal wrestling holds to turn the tide and control the match. About half of the time. Colon eventually does the cartwheel and makes his big comeback to the figure four. Chicky interferes, but Colon comes back again after a jumping splits and sends Chicky out of the ring after hitting the reverse low blow on Ron. He rolls Ron up for three and the Starrs retreat from the ring while Colon celebrates with the fans. Chicky and Ron get more than a little garbage thrown their way
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Yeah, I will second the need for patience here. I was pushing for a two week period to allow new writers a chance at the full promotions with rosters intact (once everything shook out with current writers) after agreed upon trades before we started trying to disperse them. I'd like to hold off on saying who is going where until we know what everyone is open to. Maybe Grimmas wants the WWF, maybe he doesn't. If he does we have to find a fair way to decide between Grimmas and Miz on that. If both have multiple promotions they would like to run, they can probably figure out what works best. That failing we just do a random number or some other fair way of deciding. I do think we need somebody in New York though. It's hard to imagine the WWF with that roster folding. Regardless of what happens with WCCW we need to get Kerry (the current NWA World champ) working somewhere that is operating sooner rather than later. The NWA 6-man titles can languish for a bit, but the World title has to be somewhere in operation. If that promotion needs to do a temporary trade to the WCCW roster in order to make that work so be it. It's the one thing I think we need to do with those rosters. I am absolutely willing to work with whatever anybody has in mind on re-organizing things. Just let me know what goes where and I'll try and figure it out.
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Big win for the Warriors. Nice debut for HTM! I love how you keep the Tennessee guys feuding with each other. Sheik barely escapes the wrath of Gantner there. Power may have lost the match but they damn sure didn't waste time proving they could get the best of the Assassins. I wonder who could have possibly dinged up Tommy Rich's ribs. Great way for a heel to get a title win if you ask me. Kernodle gets vicious after that match. It seems as if this feud is hotter without a belt. Man, Orndorff losing his head really cost his team. And himself. What will Link think about all of this? DAMN! Oliver really took it to both Mulligan and Jones. He is over in a big way as a babyface now.
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I enjoy the team of High Octane already. Rheingans and Brickhouse getting over as heels in different ways is great. Ramblers don't get a win without Jones, but they definitely made a statement. The Professor is up to his old tricks, trying to hurt Gama this time. Just seems like Gama Singh is less willing to play by the rules in return. The Twosome retain in good heel fashion, not convincingly. I'm waiting to see how Bad News reacts to help. He's not historically a guy who was friendly. Great brawl between Hansen and Brown BTW. Snuka got robbed, although I'm sure DiBiase will claim it was all legit.
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Your Cornette interviews are always entertaining. The U.S. Express vs. the Midnights would be a good feud. Not the level of the RnRs, but what is? Wright Murdoch and Lawler sounds like a great match and the interview Murdoch and Wright did set it up perfectly. Bob Armstrong playing to the common people won't save him against Nikita. Who IS the Demon/Devil's Duo's manager?? Still loving the idea of JYD vs. Bundy. Great promo from Lawler. It really captured the way he would weave little jokes into his promos.
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In-ring ability vs Charisma and Historical Importance
dawho5 replied to AndreasL's topic in Pro Wrestling
I don't think you can limit it to just those ways singly. Take your example of Bret vs. Stone Cold. It had a great build and is extremely important historically, but it is also considered a great match in terms of the ring work. Taking both views, the ring work only reinforced the story being told in the build. To me that actually takes great in-ring wrestling and enhances it. So in effect, when you combine the two ways of looking at it you get more of the whole. You also have to take into account that ring work is far more subjective than how important a wrestler or match is historically. Again in the instance of Bret/SCSA there could be many fans who disagree that the work was as good as the build. -
Crockett being sad about Rock Riddle being gone is sweet. Bull being fired up is a good start to the show. High Octane off to a good start. Snuka and Rheingans both with good promos to keep their feuds going. Brown vs. Hansen? Sign me right up!! Link and Orndorff is quite the team. Against Lewin and Singh that's a hard-hitting match. Seems like Idol isn't done yet with Fuller. Brickhouse vs. SBS should be a great feud. Good promo too. Johnson and Cooley valiantly trying to get their titles back continues to keep them over with the fans. I have seen the Flame promo that inspired that one and love that you re-did it. I love Rock Riddle sending a postcard. Warriors and Blondes is a good feud for the Warriors to come back with. Still really looking forward to Brown vs. Hansen. St. Clair vs. Rich sounds like an interesting feud. The great part about Sinclair is you have to imagine how he'd gel in the ring with all of these guys. Jones and Kirchner with good promos. Even without his title Kernodle is going to be a force in MACW. Holy crap Gantner really brought his A game tonight. Great way to end the show, builds a lot of anticipation for Nashville.
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WWC House Show 8/17/86 Juan Ramon Loubriel Stadium, Bayamon, Puerto Rico Ricky Santana & Jos LeDuc vs. Owen Hart & Abdullah Tamba w/Chicky Starr This actually started out as a wrestling match. Between four guys in blood feuds who had bandages on their foreheads already. This broke down at several points with all four men bleeding. It always came back to the ring in time for referee Ricky Vargas to not quite call off the match. In the end, Tamba hit his tope on LeDuc and Owen rolled Santana up with a handful of tights to score the win. Santana sent Owen stumbling towards the back with a rush of punches and chops after Owen kept the attack up post-match. Brad Batten vs. The Crusher w/Barrabas The Crusher is on the attack before the bell and Brad is back on his heels for the first part of the match. Batten makes a good comeback only to have Barrabas trip him up and put him back on the defensive. Brad again fights back and makes it count with a reverse crossbody off the second rope for the three count. Barrabas doesn't order any kind of attack, he just laughs and points at his own leg then Brad Batten before leading the Crusher out. Bart Batten vs. Jonathan Boyd w/Barrabas Bart is still limping from last night, but not as severely. Boyd goes right after the leg and Bart is in big trouble. Bart makes a big comeback near the end and Barrabas jumps on the apron, but Bart ignores Barrabas and rolls Boyd up. Barrabas tries to get into the ring only to find that Brad never left and has been hiding under the ring. Brad grabs Barrabas' legs and referee Tomas Marin counts three. The Battens celebrate with the crowd after making sure there are no post-match attacks. The Caribbean Express & Dutch Mantell vs. Los Mercenarios & Bobby Jaggers Six man tag or pier six brawl? Both here as there is no order to any of it. Four of these men have bandages on their heads when the match starts and all 6 are bleeding by the end. By the end I mean when security finally separates everyone and we can move on, as this is a double countout. Hercules Ayala vs. Invader 1 The two men shake hands before the match and it is more even than you would think given the size difference. Ayala tries to set Invader up for the figure four, but Invader knows the leg is the target. Invader can't get the sleeper on Ayala and both men get frustrated and start brawling. Ayala does work over the leg, but no figure four and Invader makes a comeback. Ayala rolls Invader 1 up in an inside cradle for the win. The men hug and raise each other's arms for the crowd after the match. Los Super Medicos & Carlitos Colon vs. Victor the Bodyguard & Los Primos Starr Medicos & Colon started off hot, with all three heels taking their turn getting beat up. Colon is hit with a Victor low blow and the heels go to work on him. The Starrs use distracions to keep referee Victor Quinonez away from their illegal double teams. Colon tags in to Medico 3, who clears the ring. The heels regroup and Chicky distracts Medico 3 (and Quinonez) while Starr hits him from behind. The heels work Medico 3 over and Quinonez even misses a legal tag due to a distraction by Chicky Starr. Medico 3 does tag in Medico 1, who really brings the fury on the Starrs. Colon is after Victor, hitting him with a low blow before putting him in the figure four. Medico 1 rolls Chicky up for the three count as the building erupts.
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Poor Bobby on Challenge. That Pennsylvania loop looks awesome. Every match is something I would want to see. Well, besides Bravo/Atlas and the Russians. Valentine attacking Hennig continues a feud that I love. Yes! Hennig vs. Valentine next week! Great first meeting between Blade Runners and Nasties. Love this feud for both teams. I love the asshole Hulk promo sulking about Tunney. So true to life. Man, I wonder what Roma did wrong. Or is this just another scheme? Savage getting what he wants by using Heenan is awesome. Can't wait for that cage match!
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Dump going after Nagayo despite not being the match is spot on. Dump is such a glorious bitch when she's in character.
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WWC House Show 8/16/86 Rafael A. Mangual Coliseum, Mayaguez, Puerto Rico Bart Batten vs. Jonathan Boyd w/Barrabas Bart took the fight right to Boyd, surprising the veteran brawler with his intensity from the opening bell. Barrabas was instrumental in Boyd taking control of the match several times. Batten fired up near the end and ended up going outside of the ring with Boyd down and attacking Barrabas. This cost him as Boyd came off the ring apron with a double axe handle to Bart's back. Boyd finished Bart off by rolling him up with his feet on the ropes. Barrabas surprisingly did not order an attack, just sent a tired Boyd to the back with some instructions and the Crusher came out. Brad Batten vs. The Crusher w/Barrabas Boyd, who had hidden somewhere backstage, attacked Brad on his way to the ring by diving at the back of his leg. This caught the attention of Bart, who attacked Boyd and ran him off before tending to his brother. Brad needed to be helped to the ring by his brother, but refused to skip the match. The Crusher worked over the leg and Brad fought valiantly against the 270 pounder, but in the end was defeated. Barrabas was smiling as he called the Crusher off and they made their way out of the arena. Mercenario 2 & Bobby Jaggers w/Chicky Starr vs. Dutch Mantell & Invader 1 Jaggers ambushes Dutch on the way to the ring. The only participants not brawling near the entranceway are Merc 2 and Invader 1. Invader 1 low blows Merc 2 after a match that sees Chicky Starr tilt the match in favor of Merc 2 several times. After the last Invader makes his signature comeback, selling along the way. He clamps on the sleeper and Chicky hits the ring. Dutch had hit Jaggers with a set of brass knuckles and the sight of a bloodied Dutch Mantell approaching stopped Chicky from interfering. Invader 1 gets the win by submission. Mercenario 1 & Abdullah Tamba w/Chicky Starr vs. Jos LeDuc & Carlitos Colon Wild beginning sees LeDuc charge at Tamba only for Merc 1 to hit him from behind. Colon is quick to engage Merc 1 and the brawl is on. Both Tamba and LeDuc are bloody again within minutes. Referee Ricky Vargas regains control of the situation, but this ends up causing Colon to be the victim of a double team. The heels work Colon over and Chicky taunts him from the outside. Colon makes a short comeback only to have Tamba cut it off illegally. And then again. Finally Colon hits a low blow on Merc 1 and then another on Tamba to get the tag in. LeDuc is absolutely unstoppable, tearing through Merc 1 and then turning his attention to Tamba. Tamba falls victim to the one-armed backbreaker and Chicky is up on the apron. Until Colon punches him right off. LeDuc covers Tamba for the three. The crowd is going wild as Merc 1 is checking on Chicky Starr and LeDuc and Colon celebrate. The Caribbean Express vs. Los Primos Starr (C) for the WWC Caribbean Tag Team Championship The Express is superbly smooth with their early teamwork and the Starrs can't compare. First Ron, then Chicky, then both can't keep up and they take a time out. They talk it over and Ron is back in the ring with Perez and he tries to give Chicky a shot at Perez's back. to no avail, Chicky takes a series of punches and so does Ron. It goes like this until los Mercenarios show up at ringside and distract the Express, allowing Chicky to hit a low blow on Perez. The Starrs work Perez over and cut him off getting to his corner. They rip the bandage from Monday's cut off and go to work on that. Finally Castillo hits a low blow on Chicky and tags, but los Mercenarios hit the ring for the DQ. It's looking grim for the Express when los Super Medicos come running out to ringside with baseball bats and all four heels retreat. Chicky is furious, screaming at los Super Medicos as he heads for the back. As far as the crowd throwing garbage, seemed like they enjoyed throwing shit at heels. Chicky and Invader 3 have an awesome scaffold match, probably the best I have ever seen, during which the crowd is hitting Chicky with garbage while he's on the scaffold. Also remember that Chicky was at ringside when Abby blinded Colon earlier this year and Colon still does not have the Universal title as a result. Chicky's denials all had that "Colon had it coming" sound to them as well, so I can't imagine he's going to be overly popular right now.
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NWA Lutte Internationale/International Wrestling August 1986
dawho5 replied to SirEdger's topic in Promotions
Oooh, sanctions for Jacques. Is the NWA going to be the bad guy here? I like two matches as a backdrop for the Kokina/OMG feud that don't involve both of them. Good way to keep fan investment without giving it away. Borne has been awesome for you and I hope he stays on his hot streak. MS-1 with a big win. Maeda and Inoki should go over if they are in town. Embry is a babyface now yes? Hillbilly Jim gets a good squash win. That Owen, can't believe he has strayed so far from the right path. Fun preview of BattleBowl. Who is that masked man??? -
I like the squash wins for guys who needed them in Nashville. Devastation and Doom would have been one Hell of a battle. Poor Iceman, yet another victim in NIkita's path. Surprised Baby Doll is still looking to make Landell angry. KKB getting a win over the Dog is big. I know JYD will have something to say there. Also, good call on going with KKB as the obstacle to DiBiase here. JYD might not be able to go 10+ anymore, but you don't need a long match with KKB and JYD. Awesome finish to the main that would have had the Nashville crowd on their feet! Your build of both Boone and Atlantis has been awesome. Looks like the U.S. Express have their first major feud. Wright must be feeling better from all the fan love he gets every week. You know, all those fans who never show up to the arena who love Ron Wright and send their well wishes and money. Run away Corny, once Dick Slater gets done with you there won't be much left. Very Memphis finish to that Taylor/Murdoch match. My guess is the same as spaldoni's, we are going to see Lawler vs. Murdoch. YAY!! Midnights get some tag gold. Finally!! That Alabama crowd might have actually cheered a little when hometown boy Bobby Eaton got his hand raised.
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NWA Lutte Internationale/International Wrestling August 1986
dawho5 replied to SirEdger's topic in Promotions
Goto keeps on a roll when he's not fighting tip top guys. Los Infernales have been quietly building up the wins. Good to see Jacques and Armand both get wins. I have loved Kernodle's run, but you did so much with that match to set things up. Jacques and Kernodle have a ready made feud and both can loosely claim some kind of rivalry with Garvin. NOt only that, but Garvin has Embry right there to deal with. Lots of options and a crazy, memorable match to boot! Great job. -
WWC House Show 8/15/86 Baranquitas, Puerto Rico Ricky Santana & Jos LeDuc vs. Owen Hart & Abdullah Tamba Street Fight Think this one was a brawl? It was. The two pairings you would expect paired off and never switched. Santana was wearing cowboy boots to start with. He didn't finish the match with shoes. Hart brought a weightlifting belt and at one point produced brass knuckles. The punch he used them for missed. LeDuc brought an axe handle and Tamba brought Chicky's baseball bat with him. All four were bloody by the end and Santana pinned Hart after a flying attack with the last remaining cowboy boot he had. Bart Batten vs. the Crusher w/Barrabas Barrabas was on the apron yelling right away and the Crusher took advantage of a distracted Bart to get the early advantage. Bart made his comeback and used a headlock to control the bigger Crusher. Barrabas constantly complained about choking and kept jumping up on the apron until Bart decked him and he went flying off. The Crusher took advantage and worked Bart over, but Bart never stopped and rolled the Crusher up for nearfalls several times. He punched his way back into it and hit a running crossbody that just kept the Crusher down for three. Brad was smart enough to roll out of the ring and away from danger, holding his arms up in victory as Barrabas ranted at him from the ring. Brad Batten vs. Jonathan Boyd w/Barrabas Boyd started slowly this time, working holds with Batten until an opening seemed to present itself for a big right hand. That Batten quickly blocked and countered with a big right of his own. Batten controlled for a short while until Barrabas tripped him up and Boyd went to work. Barrabas distracted referee Tomas Marin and allowed Boyd to illegaly choke Batten when a comeback looked imminent. Batten did get his comeback, but Barrabas cracked him across the back with a chair while Boyd had Marin distracted and Boyd hit the three point clothesline for the three count. Barrabas ordered boyd to continue the attack, but Bart and the Caribbean Express hit the ring quickly to make the save. Los Mercenarios & Bobby Jaggers w/Chicky Starr vs. Dutch Mantell & Los Invaders (2 & 3) Jaggers clearly had los Mercenarios going after Mantell in this match. Jaggers outright refused to get in the ring with Mantell, but would do everything in his power to distract Dutch and allow one of the Mercs to get in a cheap shot. It did work and Dutch took a Hellacious beating, but managed to come back and make the tag to Invader 3. Although at a size disadvantage, Invader 3 was able to keep up the attack on all 3 opponents. That is, until Chicky was able to hold him up long enough for both Mercs to double team him. In the resulting chaos Jaggers was able to hit the hangman's neckbreaker and cover Invader 3 for the win. Jaggers taunted Dutch Mantell on his way to the back. Mantell had to be held back by Invader 2 and reminded of the fallen Invader 3. Victor the Bodyguard & Los Primos Starr vs. Los Super Medicos & Carlitos Colon The Starrs jumped Medico 3 before the bell and worked him over along with Victor. Medico 3 made the tag to Medico 1 after low blowing Ron. Medico 1 had things going his way until Chicky Starr used a low blow to change the momentum again. The Starrs worked over Medico 1 and cut off his path to a tag more than a few times. He fianlly crawled beween the legs of Ron and made the tagt to Colon, who came in and decimated Victor and the Starrs. Colon got Victor alone in the ring and set him up for the figure four. Victor didn't last long in the hold and submitted, with both Ron and Chicky pulling him out of the ring after the loss. The Starrs were pelted with garbage on their way to the back.
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DiBiase proves to be much smarter than Watts gives him credit for. That tag looks great BTW. Once again, I know Wright is going to have an answer to this. And not one that anybody is going to like. U.S. Express is really getting over with this angle. And they would in Watts country. Iceman's confidence is great, but this is Nikita we're talking about. Doom vs. Devastation is a good, Watts style hoss feud. That joint event between MACW and UWF is going to be great, can't wait to see what you guys do. Seriously? JJ & Brad against the Midnights? Your tag team division is so damn loaded sir. I love it. Also, did Corny really think Slater would take this lying down?
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Really good 6-man tag opener with Japan vs. Mexico. Despite the fact that nobody in your crowd knew who any of them were it would have had the crowd rolling. I like the contrast that follows with the slow, deliberate pace of Lee and Graham. Big, big win for the PYTs and I can't wait for the rest of the card.
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(Originally airing in Spanish on WAPA Channel 4 in San Juan, Puerto Rico. This broadcast is translated to English where applicable.) The opening montage featuring highlights of Carlos Colon, Chicky Starr, Invader 1, Invader 2, Invader 3, Abdullah the Butcher, Hercules Ayala, Bam Bam and Dutch Mantell plays. Carlos Colon doing a cartwheel and coming up fists at the ready leads to the WWC logo as the music ends. NWA and Capitol Sports Presenta Los Campeones De La Lucha Libre Con Tus Luchadores Favoritos De Fama Mundial Rickin Sanchez and Hugo Savinovich sit smiling at the commentary desk in Coliseo Municipal Pedro Rodriguez Gaya De Catano. They talk about the matches today and Rickin is incensed that Ron Starr somehow got a chance at the prestigious NWA National Title. Hugo pipes in with something about winning making opportunities. Rickin, as he often does, comments on the way the Starrs win their matches. Armandito Salgado vs. Victor the Bodyguard w/Chicky Starr Victor is in charge most of the match with his brawling. Salgado gets cut off with an eye rake and a boot to the gut. Victor follows with a DDT for the three count. Chicky makes sure the fans know his man won after the match, which gets the reaction you think it does. Rickin doesn't understand the need to go after Salgado's eyes, but puts Victor over as a dangerous competitor. We'll be right back with Owen Hart at the desk and TNT in action. (Commercial Break) Highlights are shown of the Santana/Hart interactions last week. Owen Hart complains about the way Ricky Santana has been stalking him all over Puerto Rico. He says that the man is obsessed. Hart repeats his claim that Santana will not get any more title shots after this one, so he better back off after he loses the match on September 20th. If he doesn't, Hart knows somebody with very good lawyers who will make his life miserable. Rickin and Hugo talk about Owen's behavior since the Bruce Hart incident. Then they talk about Jos LeDuc's feud with Abdullah Tamba. Mr. Z vs. Jos LeDuc LeDuc controls the intire match with his power offense and pins Z after a one-armed backbreaker. Hugo tells us the Sports Shop is next!!! Rickin seems less than enthused. (Commercial Break) Sports Shop The Sports Shop intro plays and we cut to Victor the Bodyguard and Abdullah Tamba on the Sports Shop set. A voice-over by Hugo Savinovich plays. Hugo: Welcome, ladies and gentlemen to the most watched wrestling program in Puerto Rico!! This is Chicky's Sports Shop and I'm pleased to announce your host, the most charismatic, best dressed man in Puerto Rico today, Chicky Starr!! Chicky walks in wearing his athletic gear and his WWC Caribbean Tag Team Title over his shoulder. He picks up a microphone and sits down. Chicky: Welcome ladies and gentlemen to another edition of Chicky's Sports Shop. I do that so much better than Rickin Sanchez ever could! There is a lot to cover this week and a great guest too. You can all send in your letters to thank me. First up, Abdullah Tamba had an impressive week, facing Carlitos Colon all four days. And there he is behind me without a scratch on him! Chicky pauses and gives Tamba a hand. Chicky: The Castillo and Perez brats have been attacking los Mercenarios at every opportunity, but I can tell you that it will get them nowhere. Los Mercenarios have nothing to fear from a couple of kids who grew up with silver spoons. This brings me to los Super Medicos. Through more cheating and underhanded tactics than you can imagine, those two idiots managed to just barely get their two wins and keep their title shot. Here's a little taste. A highlight package of every illegal tactic used by los Super Medicos last week shows. It's not all that long. Chicky: So you see ladies and gentlemen, these two men are hardly the white knights you had hoped for. Not taht they stand a chance against Ronnie and I in a tag match anyway. Speaking of Ronnie, he's got a match for the NWA National Heavyweight Championship this week. So not only will los Primos Starr have tag team gold, Ronnie will have singles gold. Maybe I should take that NWA Light Heavyweight title from Invader 3. It would look much better on me, that's for sure. Chicky pauses and nods off-screen. Chicky: And now my guests tonight, El Profe and TNT, just recently back from his recent completely undeserved suspension. Profe and TNT come in and shake hands with Chicky. All three sit down. Chicky: I suppose it's good to have your man back in Puerto Rico. Profe: It is, but all those fans around Puerto Rico are going to have to wait to see him in person. He traveled to the United States after his suspension and impressed enough people that they aren't sure when they want to let him leave for good. If they do at all. Chicky: It sounds like TNT has been busy! Profe: Yes, and given that the people in Minnesota seem to appreciate the talents that TNT brings, I am inclined to let him stay there. Chicky: I would be too. The WWC's suspension policy is ridiculous. Wrestlers get hurt. Profe: I know this. You know this. I don't think the fans around Puerto Rico deserve to see TNT anyway. Chicky: You and I both know that's true. The fans at these shows are awful. The worst kind of garbage. Did you know I got hit with a few rocks last week? Profe: Sounds about right. I know of another group of people that throws things when they get upset. Chicky: Oh? Profe: Children. At least they have an excuse. Chicky: (laughing) I suppose they do. We're out of time ladies and gentlemen. I hope you're okay with going back to the boring part of the show. Although Ronnie is in the main event tonight, so stick around! Ric Flair's sign-off plays as Profe, TNT and Chicky walk off the set. Rickin, as always, has nothing good to say about Chicky Starr. Or El Profe. Hugo agrees on El Profe. Highlights are shown of all of the matches involving the Battens fighting Boyd and the Crusher last week. Rickin then goes on to have nothing good to say about Barrabas. He mentions that Boyd and the Crusher both lost their singles matches to the Battens last night. Los Assassins vs. Jonathan Boyd & the Crusher w/Barrabas Boyd and the Crusher use crisp teamwork and illegal double teams while Barrabas has referee Victor Quinonez distracted to control. A Crusher big boot stops an Assassin comeback in it's tracks. Crusher grabs Assassin in a reverse bearhug after tagging Boyd, who hits a three point clothesline for the three. Rickin and Hugo talk about the ongoing series of singles matches between the Battens and Boyd and the Crusher. Rickin highlights the Battens resilience and toughness while Hugo highlights the size, strength and experience advantage of Boyd and the Crusher. Both agree that Barrabas will be a factor at ringside. (Commercial Break) Highlights of the matches last week featuring Abdullah Tamba and Jos LeDuc are shown. Rickin announces that a singles match between LeDuc and Tamba has been added to the card on September 20th. Jos LeDuc is at the desk and he has a challenge for Abdullah Tamba. He wants tag team matches with Tamba across the ring next week. Tamba can have Chicky Starr and whoever else come out to ringside for the matches, but it won't help him. In fact, LeDuc wants to make sure Chicky Starr sees him beat Tamba in person. Los Tejanos vs. The Caribbean Express The Express is all teamwork and legal double teams to control. A running clothesline by Castillo cuts off a comeback by Tejano 1. Castillo tags Perez and whips Tejano into a powerslam by Perez. Perez follows up with el coqui (standing victory roll) for the three count. Rickin and Hugo put over the Caribbean Express as a promising young tag team. They talk about how they struggle to keep their coll and it can cost them. Highlights are shown of the loss on July 5th to los Mercenarios. (Commercial Break) Highlights are shown of los Super Medicos six-man tags against los Primos Starr. More complete highlights than on the Sports Shop. Medicos talk about how Chicky Starr is starting to get worried for the tag titles and they have to watch their backs more than ever. They know that Chicky Starr will send somebody after them soon and it won't be where anyone sees it. they also know that the next time they get the Starrs in the ring they have their number. The results prove it and the title reign of Ron and Chicky Starr is coming to a close. Rickin and Hugo talk about los Super Medicos building momentum. They also talk about how los Mercenarios were instrumental in the Starrs winning the titles in the first place. Mr. X & Y vs. Los Mercenarios The Mercs brawl their way to controlling the match with zero regard for the rules or referee Tomas Marin. A Mr. X comeback is cut off by a knee to the gut from Merc 2 and clubbering from both Mercs. Merc 1 slams X down and Merc 2 hits the ropes for a big running senton that gets three. The Mercs continue after the match with the Caribbean Express rushing out to stop the attack. A brawl breaks out. Rickin and Hugo talk about this being the norm across Puerto Rico and highlights are shown of the Express and los Mercenarios brawling at house shows. (Commercial Break) Highlights of last week's bloody violence (both got the back of their head busted open by the other's riding crop) between Dutch Mantell and Bobby Jaggers are shown. Dutch Mantell is at the desk and he says this isn't even close to finished. Bobby Jaggers hasn't felt enough pain to pay for what he did. He also says he's been keeping an eye on los Mercenarios, because their day is coming. He talks again about Jaggers and how he might not make it to the cage match the way things are going. Rickin and Hugo talk briefly about the Mantell/Jaggers feud before talking about the main event. Hugo doesn't think that Rickin is going to like this match. Ron Starr w/Chicky Starr vs. Arthur J. Crews w/Rock Riddle (C) for the NWA National Heavyweight Championship This is a mirror match with both Crews and Ron willing to take any shortcut they need to. And Riddle and Chicky willing to do whatever they have to in order to get their man ahead. Things get heated as the match goes on and everyone is frustrated, but finally Chicky and Riddle get tired of their cat-and-mouse game of interfering and countering the other's interference. Oddly enough, the fans start to back Ron and Chicky during the match. Crews rolls Ron up with a handful of tights for the three. Ron is upset with this. Chicky talks to him and the four men shake hands. Chicky is talking with Riddle as Ron discusses the match with Crews. The fans are not at all amused. Rickin is incensed (big surprise) with Chicky and Hugo can see why a mutual respect would have grown between the wrestlers and managers in that match. We sign off with the card for September 20th in Ponce. Main Event: Abdullah the Butcher vs. Carlitos Colon for the vacant WWC Universal Heavyweight Title in a Fire Match Los Super Medicos vs. Los Primos Starr (C) for the WWC Caribbean Tag Team Championships Hercules Ayala vs. Bam Bam Bigelow (C) for the WWC Caribbean Heavyweight Championship Ricky Santana vs. Owen Hart (C) for the WWC Light Heavyweight Championship in a Street Fight Dirty Dutch Mantell vs. Hangman Bobby Jaggers in a Cage Match Jos LeDuc vs. Abdullah Tamba
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Really what this will come down to is what the WWE does about it and if it is enough/too much in your eyes. If we're really honest about that, do you think it matters to the WWE or Orton what some message board people think about it? Not trying to be a dick here, just asking myself the question and coming up with probably the exact same answer anyone reading this is. In another topic I commented that maybe toxic fan culture being on the internet because it is less violent than what went on before might be a very good thing. I'd say the opposite is true here. In the 80s if this kind of thing happened you'd see it maybe in the newsletters and there would be discussion amongst a few people about it. But at the end of the day not many would be in the know and it would just disappear. Now even little scraps of information become huge things and people eat it up. I'm sure if you took that close of a look at just about anything there is a seedy underbelly, but anyone who knows anything about wrestling could tell you that the seedy underbelly is probably the biggest part.
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Yes! Fabs vs. RnRs! Big statement from Magnum. So looking forward to both of those matches. JJ and Brad are such an awesome midcard young guy team for the mid-south. Boone is on a freaking tear and I can't wait to see how Wright counters. The old "that ain't no lady" Southern angle. I like that you cut out the tasteless part for TV. I know there will be those that don't like it. Let them.
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WWC House Show 8/14/86 Isabel Segunda, Puerto Rico Huracan Castillo Jr. w/Miguelito Perez vs. Mercenario 1 w/Mercenario 2 This one went right to the all-out brawl between wrestlers and seconds. Both Perez and Merc 1 bled. And got completely out of referee Ricky Vargas' control. The two teams brawled until referees and officials could not break them up so security had to. Brad Batten vs. the Crusher w/Barrabas The Crusher waded in with his usual clubbering and power moves but Brad fought back with right hands and ended up knocking the Crusher out of the ring with a dropkick. The Crusher adopted a stalling strategy and ended up catching an overly ambitious crossbody from Batten. He slammed Batten down and went to work on him with Barrabas urging him on from ringside. Brad reversed a whip that led to the Crusher just barely avoiding a collision with Barrabas, then caught the Crusher in a schoolboy for the three. Bart Batten vs. Jonathan Boyd w/Barrabas Batten anticipated the Boyd pre-match attack and suckered him into a drop toe hold with Boyd catching his own throat on the top rope. Boyd was on the defensive all match, trying to brawl back into it. Barrabas made several openings foir his man, but in the end Bart pulled himself over the top rope from the apron into a sunset flip for the three count. After the match Barrabas was too busy checking on Boyd to call in any kind of attack. Los Super Medicos & Los Invaders (1 & 3) vs. Victor the Bodyguard, Abdullah Tamba & Los Primos Starr This one was all action right away with the babyfaces in control. A low blow by Ron on Medico 1 changed that quickly. Invader 1 took the tag after an extended heel control and fell victim to several attacks to the eyes and a low blow by Chicky before taking a longer beating. Medico 1 was tagged by Invader and really went to work on both Starrs as Invader 3 and Medico 3 took it to Victor and Tamba. Chicky bailed and Medico 1 went after him, with Ron attacking Medico 1 as he did. Invader 1 went after Ron as Victor was rolled up by Medico 3 for the three count. Invader 2 vs. Owen Hart (C) WWC Lightweight Championship A more even match than their last with no arm to exploit by Owen and no cut for Invader 2 to exploit. Hart wrestled cleaner than he has been, but still used dirty tricks to make most of his comebacks. Invader 2 tried for a double throat chop while Owen was in control, but Owen scrambled out of the ring after barely avoiding it. Invader 2 tracked Owen down and tossed him back in the ring, but Owen went low and rolled Invader 2 up for the three count to retain his title. Ricky Santana came running out to chase Owen off before he could do any more damage. Mercenario 2 w/Mercenario 1 & Chicky Starr vs. Carlitos Colon Colon faced long odds against Merc 2 with two men outside the ring. He was able to stay on offense in the time between their interference, but that was usually pretty short. He finally made his big comeback after the cartwheel. He took on all 3, clearing all but Merc 1 (not even in the match) out of the ring and dropping elbows on the leg. The figure four got Colon the victory despite it not being Mercenario 2. Chicky Starr was livid at referee Victor Quinonez after the match, but the result stood and the fans showered Chicky and company with garbage while roaring for Colon.