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[1996-11-24-WCW-World War III] Hulk Hogan vs Roddy Piper Contract Signing
dawho5 replied to Loss's topic in November 1996
What a great angle. Piper's face while Hogan was demanding to see the hip was amazing in so many ways. All the while never losing the intensity and hatred of Hogan.- 8 replies
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[1996-11-24-WCW-World War III] Rey Misterio Jr vs Ultimo Dragon
dawho5 replied to Loss's topic in November 1996
If you watch their Japanese matches this one isn't too far off from those. Their match is Dragon beating the shit out of Rey while Rey peppers in hope spots. I tend to think dragon hit too many finishers here, but that seemed to work in Rey's favor as the match progressed.- 18 replies
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[1996-11-18-WCW-Nitro] Hollywood Hogan and Eric Bischoff / DDP and the NWO
dawho5 replied to Loss's topic in November 1996
Hogan bullying Bischoff (not really though) into saying bad things about Piper was really great. What a tremendous heel moment. This whole DDP thing is so good. I know the nWo eventually goes so far the wheels and most of the car comes off. When they were fresh and hitting on all cylinders it was something special. There are 2 distinct parts of the nWo though. Hall & Nash with their buddy Syxx and the Hogan crew. Giant seems to hang out with both.- 8 replies
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I really liked this. Piper should be the focus here, telling the TV audience he hasn't been ducking Hogan. Bischoff's role in this is not necessarily the centerpiece here. Not yet.
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[1996-11-18-WCW-Nitro] The Outsiders and Faces of Fear
dawho5 replied to Loss's topic in November 1996
Nash really does impress here. There are reasons he is over at the time and a memorable part of the nWo. I just wish we had seen more of this Hall & Nash as time went on.- 7 replies
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Really fun brawl between two guys who seem like they are coming into their own on TV over the last 6 months or so. I'll agree it slows down once it goes into the ring, but it is never actively anything but good.
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[1996-11-18-WWF-Raw] Faarooq vs Savio Vega
dawho5 replied to Superstar Sleeze's topic in November 1996
That blown superplex spot was really scary as far as looking like somebody was gonna get hurt. Did that tease with Sunny being Farooq's former manager ever go anywhere? Also, wasn't the NoD based on the Black Panthers? So many questions about how this thing is starting. -
[1996-11-17-WWF-Survivor Series] Bret Hart vs Steve Austin
dawho5 replied to a topic in November 1996
I really loved this. The Mania match is better if my recollection is correct, but that is in no way an insult to this match. I think this match helps set the table for the Mania match more than anything. They started out with the "who is the better wrestler" storyline being put over strong. Then Stone Cold got frustrated at getting the short end of the technical wrestling and just started beating Bret up. Which makes sense given that Bret has been training for this match where? Storyline would have to be the Hart Dungeon, so why wouldn't he win the technical stuff. Bret has to come back using more brawling tactics to show he is game on that side of things. Then the indecisive finish leaves you wondering if Stone Cold didn't miss out on a few opportunities he should have capitalized on.- 18 replies
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[1996-11-11-WCW-Nitro] The Outsiders and Larry Zbyszko
dawho5 replied to Loss's topic in November 1996
Tony cracking up at the Caddyshack joke was pretty great. Hall and Zbysko feuding was weird at the time, but by the time we get there I have the sneaking suspicion I'll like it more than a lot of the other nWo stuff going on.- 7 replies
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DDP finally getting his due is great. He has been getting over in a big way lately. The Diamond Cutter is part of it. Him clearly putting in the work to get better and consistently putting on one of the better Nitro matches against sometimes questionable opponents helps a lot too. He'll never be the best in-ring technician to ever live, but he clearly knows how to work a crowd and get himself over. Which is something WCW sorely needs on the babyface side. They are counting on Jarrett to get over as a babyface for crying out loud.
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[1996-11-04-WWF-Raw] Steve Austin-Brian Pillman confrontation
dawho5 replied to Loss's topic in November 1996
I totally understand why people hated this. It was clearly manipulative and a publicity stunt gone way wrong. At the same time, Taker and Mankind are the only other good thing going on in the company not involving Austin. So them doing something completely outside what they had been doing is probably better than the same formulaic garbage that had gotten them to this point. The fact that it goes off the rails is not awesome. Austin's gimmick/character was going off the rails the previous week though and regardless of how bizarre this seems it does not come across as completely outside of the possibility last week hinted at.- 12 replies
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[1996-11-04-WWF-Raw] Shawn Michaels/Sid Debate
dawho5 replied to Superstar Sleeze's topic in November 1996
I did not like this. The build to the babyface vs. babyface title match has been full of segments that were obviously there for no reason other than to build for it. Owen (current tag champ) in singles vs. Sid with Davey out with him. Wonder how that one ends. Bulldog (other tag champ) vs. Shawn in a return match nobody wanted to see in the opposite scenario. Then this. It's paint by the numbers in the worst way possible. -
[1996-11-04-WWF-Raw] Goldust vs The Stalker
dawho5 replied to Superstar Sleeze's topic in November 1996
The match wasn't much for sure. Also, it was only an excuse to have a big brawl between the SS teams, so there was no way it was going to be much. -
[1996-10-27-WCW-Halloween Havoc] Rey Misterio Jr vs Dean Malenko
dawho5 replied to Loss's topic in October 1996
A better full match than either of their past outings I've seen. I say that due to the announcers counting this as match 5 and I've seen 2. There were a few more near-botches that they worked well through outside of that guard rail missed spot, but that doesn't hurt it too much. I thought Dean going back to the well on the sleeper spot where the ref has to hold Mysterio's arm up 3 times immediately after the first one was a move in the wrong direction that he did fix right after. I'm a little more with Loss than anyone else on this one. There are spectacular parts and parts that almost seem like them not really knowing how to get back into the flow of things in between.- 9 replies
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Savage threatening to kill Hogan is definitely over the top. Also, wouldn't you be considering finding other employment if you were Savage at this point? The guy has been putting anyone worth wrestling over all year with very little coming back his way. He lost to Luger 4 times in something like 7 weeks around January.
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Also, the debut of sting using the Slop Drop! Good segment for sure and another worthy chapter in the story of the nWo.
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[1996-10-21-WWF-Raw] Hunter Hearst Helmsley vs Marc Mero
dawho5 replied to Loss's topic in October 1996
One of the more sensible things the WWF was doing at the time if you look at it as a whole. So much of the other stuff is just completely off the wall or poorly executed enough to make a person not care. At least here you have a couple of over workers (Perfect and Sable) helping to bring some interest to the proceedings.- 12 replies
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There are certain types of promos Bret is great at, and this is one of them. He's never been a great "hype" guy, but give him a few topics with some meat he can really bite into and he will give you a really sincere promo it's hard not to believe. Working in the shots at Shawn to show that he's not over that bitterness from WM is a great touch too. I kinda thought he was veering into the cheesy side of things before he mentioned the kid he was talking about was his nephew. One of Bret's best promos I've seen.
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The body of the match was really good. I agree that Sid's selling here is surprisingly good. I didn't love the finish with Bulldog blatantly interfering on Owen's behalf for the DQ, but is is what it its. We get more of the "are Shawn and Sid still friends?" thing post-match, which is fine I guess. And probably the point of the whole thing.
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I caught all of the detail in the storyline watching the Nitros involving Liz. It seemed pretty cut and dried. Nasties as a babyface tag team opposing Hall & Nash would have worked for a while, they were really over. I just don't see it lasting the two or three years they would have needed to make it work given the timeline. Really good angle, maybe a step down from the preceding nWo stuff, but still really good to great.
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What a great promo by Liz. I don't think I've ever seen her talk as convincingly on camera. I'm kinda with Brain and Tenay from the following segment though. Ambushing a guy on his way to the ring for a match with this kinda thing is kind of a dick move.
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[1996-10-14-WCW-Nitro] Lex Luger vs Greg Valentine
dawho5 replied to Superstar Sleeze's topic in October 1996
It was actually really good. They kept it really simple, Valentine is working over Luger's injured back, can he put the torture rack on? And Valentine is a good choice of a guy to do that with as he's a meat-and-potatoes wrestler. Nitro so far this week has been really good for fun matches between guys you may not expect them from. Eddie Guerrero vs. The Cheetah Kid was a little wonky, but oh well.