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[1996-08-10-WCW-Hog Wild] Scott Hall & Kevin Nash vs Sting & Lex Luger
dawho5 replied to Loss's topic in August 1996
Patrick's "accidental" influence of the finish was pretty good booking in retrospect. If you're going to take over a wrestling company, owning the head referee doesn't hurt. -
As much as I am not a Shawn critic, this was good interview. He comes across as a regular guy and somewhat likeable.
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Wonderful angle that goes nowhere, but man do I wish it had. Flair as an offensive force to be reckoned with is always awesome to watch.
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Even if the NWO stuff leading to them debuting in the ring was great, this was better. I haven't watched near as much wrestling as some of the folks callign it the greatest angle of all time, but I don't disagree one bit. Every part of it felt real while watching. Even though I know it's not. The match was really good sans Luger and Mongo's horrible sequence. And you know what? This is more evidence that Benoit was absolutely not held down. Nor was Eddie. They were part of the defining early moment of the NWO. On purpose.
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Gonna disagree on really good match. Shine was okay at best. Heat was sorta mishandled at first, but they got it going. Hot tag was the best part. That outfit Simmons/Farooq was in was absolutely awful. Like most of this episode of Raw. Beyond the fun cake angle (which had it's downsides based on location) and Goldust having a pretty good squash match, it was a real stinker. I suppose ME tag match was okay-ish when compared to most of the Raw matches of late. Will disagree on Billy also. He's not ready for main events yet, but you use what you got.
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Fun way to open the show for sure. Maybe next time don't do it at ringside. Stone Cold on commentary rightly rips on the idea while Mero and the Goon are wrestling later of having frosting all over the ringside mats. Which of course the Goon with his ridiculously skinny soled boots can't actually manuever on.
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I'll agree on the back suplex botch. Very ugly. Even so, Mongo really is in way over his head and acquits himself pretty well given the circumstances. After watching most of 96 so far, Benoit had no glass ceiling at all. He was given all kinds of opportunities. That he ended up temporarily on the midcard during the NWO angle is not necessarily a personal thing. A lot of the WCW midcard got lost in that shuffle. For the match overall, perfectly fine extended heat with one of those shmozz endings that need to happen on WCW TV. Seeing Macho get part of his money back is kida fun too.
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Bubba is so damn good. I don't even mind Luger taking the night off for the most part here. I don't like how little Bubba/Ray Traylor was actually used (and how badly often enough) in WCW. Here he kills his cred to the point where he is going to be a non-factor in storylines by shaking hands with Hogan. Graet angle and promo though. No complaints at all there.
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Hall has kind of dropped some of the Razor tropes here. He has roughly the same cadence, but seems to be trying for something different now. One of the weaker NWO segments so far, but the last one was a humdinger of a doozy so maybe it doesn't need to set the world on fire. Maybe they are letting it breathe (and giving the folks a chance to order the replay of the PPV) for a week before they open up again?
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Full match was really good and absolutely old school. Loved Sting's promo as well, he and Schiavone both hit it out of the park in their reactions. Saavage may be trying to appear more off the rails than he was with Flair stealing Liz and all the money, which Bischoff has been pushing on commentary. Which, given the near future, is a little strange.
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Seems to me Malenko was starting a heel turn at Bash at the Beach. I think the 2 pulled-up covers is furthering that agenda. I would agree it is detrimental to the match. Really fun spotfest. That Asai moonsault must have felt AWFUL for Rey.
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For all the talk about not drawing this out they sure did draw this out. Anyway, good segment, good promo by Sid. Great promo by Corny.
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So that interview with Gorilla contained the line "No one man is bigger than professional wrestling." Clearly a shot at the WCW PPV where Hogan claimed to be bigger than wrestling. During the little snippet with Shawn/Ahmed, Shawn mentions how they aren't going to make you wait for their new partner. In a 6-man match. On a PPV. Clearly another shot at WCW. Only thing is, these are weak, ineffectual shots if you look at how handily WCW starts destroying WWF in the ratings. The match itself was one of the better Warrior matches. Possibly because Owen is all kinds of great as a worker when given the chance to be.
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Not sad to see Warrior go.
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One detail that hasn't been mentioned is the first interaction between Hall and Sting after Luger is stretchered out. Hall slaps Sting in a callback to the second or third angle on Nitro. Other than that, not much to add other than this is a pretty good match with really good structure and a SUPER HOT tag to Macho Man. The angle afterwards is legendary due to the whole "changing wrestling forever" thing that Hogan even worked into the promo. Hell of a way to end a PPV, especially with that last line by Schiavone, who is much better than 1997 me remembers him.
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I don't love Konnan as a worker. On one hand he is very smooth in his movements. On the other, not one thing he ever does looks like it hurts. Not a great match and Woman did seem to miss her cue.
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I have been impressed by Disco playing his gimmick to the hilt on Nitros leading up to this. He may not necessarily be as good as the luchadors in -ring, but as an intersting character he is miles better than most. The crowd getting behind him as he essentially turned babyface throughout the match was awesome to watch. Dean looked good on offense as well, but the story here had to be Disco.
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I really liked this one. I also liked the Malenko match better, but I'm weird in my Malenko fandom. The one thing I will comment on here is the crowd. They were dead early and way into by the end. So in terms of opening a PPV, job well done!
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Great comeuppance for Sunny after stinging Phineas along for as long as she did. Godwinns get Davey and Vader next week, so Vince mus be about done with them.
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AS TV matches go this was great. Marty is, in his own way, more a perfect foil for Shawn than Taker ever was. The counter spots were really good and I really wish Marty hadn't been such a wreck in his personal life. Think of how many great matches we didn't see!
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Excellent segment leading to the Bash at the Beach. The NWO really was a thing of beauty even before it fully formed.
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That top rope belly to belly was really awesome, as was the Barbie powerbomb. I also caught Zbysko doing his best Gorilla Monsoon impression after the win. I won't hold it against him too much as I very much enjoy Larry Z.
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Great angle, but I thought the title switch was a really cheap way of getting the belts off of Sting/Luger. That being said, how else do you do it? Can't really have Booker or Stevie Ray or one of the Steiners go over either Sting or Luger. I would go with the mistake being that the tag titles are on those two guys when they don't really have anyone ready to take them from either.
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[1999-05-16-ECW-Hardcore Heaven] Rob Van Dam vs Jerry Lynn
dawho5 replied to Superstar Sleeze's topic in May 1999
Too much time setting up and in between a lot of the spots. Some of the "I've seen this before" sequences are pretty good. It really drags a lot as the match goes on though. Probably because after that opening sequence of basic holds they go right into huge highspots that you have to sell big. -
Luger's gaffe was pretty spectacular. The Steiners and the Heat come in and say some inane stuff about the main event to make it seem like a triple threat just had to happen. I did like the matching face paint. Did I misinterpret or did Savage mention Flair in a positive way only three weeks or so after wanting to get in the building so he could kill him?