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Discussion #3 – New month drafts One of the concerns I had with the new month drafts was the order and individuals coming in and picking up someone else’ spot they took over for. This is the absolute worst time for me to bring it up but just something to put out there for discussion. WCCW - ASW - ICW - Mid-South - WWC - Stampede - AWA - Southeastern - Southwest - International - Big Time - Memphis - MACW - WWA - Florida - That’s the current list. Could it be possible to bump all those inactive rosters out of the list, moving everyone up who is active. Then as individuals join, they go to the bottom of the round. For instance, it would look like this for January… Mid-South - AWA - Southeastern - Big Time - Memphis - WWA - Florida – NEXT NEW PROMOTION Then if I pick in January, I go to the bottom to the top of the next round, but if an individual joins before we draft, he or she would take the number 9 spot. So the question is in regards to changing the order by which we draft for the monthly fresh faces.

Discussion #2 – Rosters etc. This second discussion is to look at rosters. I know we discussed the idea of keeping inactive promotions full with a roster, and while that has helped a couple of the promotions, we do have some new blood and could look at a different idea. For those individuals involved, could we look at some changed with out rosters… A possible re-draft with exceptions. If a promotion is interested in this process, they would have 10 people (managers and wrestlers) on a keep list. We could pop out to 15 if it is a issue. Promotions DO NOT HAVE TO DO THIS. The rest of your roster would be added to the master list of every inactive rosters workers for a 10-15 round draft. We would keep the roster cap in affect. New promotions would start with the promotion of their choice and could we say 3-5 current members and then picking the rest from the draft and then free agency? The Roster cap The roster cap of 34 workers and 3 managers stays into affect. For those individuals that would like to expand, could we look at upping the worker cap by 1 every four months? The first bump wouldn’t happen until April 1st, then August 1st, then December 1st, to have 1984 end with us having a total roster cap of 37 workers and 3 managers? What do you guys think of the possibility of a re-draft for those interested and new promotions? What do we think of the roster cap moving every 4 months?

Discussion # 1 – Inactive promotions - The first thing we need to look at is inactive promotions. Right now for active promotions we have AWA – Rain CWF – Superfan BigTime – Dexstar WWA – Jhawk Memphis – Kevin Southeastern – Boon Mid South – Low Blow We have a couple of bubble promotions World Class – Jesse WWC – El Boricua Mid Atlantic – Beast All Star – Wahoo’s leg We have promotions who have dropped Southwest Stampede ICW International Now those promotions have got rosters held for them right now. We have to make a call on the inactive and bubble promotions unless they speak up. I know Beast has had some reservations, but I am going to let him make his announcement if he goes that route (which I hope he doesn’t). Jesse, El, and Wahoo haven’t posted shows in quite some time, and while we have the frame of mind that they can “catch up” it is just not happening at this point. We have 4 people interested in coming in at this point and I am working with admin on getting them set up. Hopefully that process will be complete for each of those individuals to take over a promotion. The question at hand is what should we do with other bubble promotions. If someone hasn’t been active for an extended period of time (say 60 days as a frame of reference from Dex) is the promotion considered able to stay in? Now I know things happen and real life is tough, so could we look at 90 days of not posting a show? If an individual doesn’t post a show in 90 days, then the promotion is relinquished? What are our thoughts on that movement?

As you guys can see, we've cleaned up the main pages. I have some discussion posts to look at, just putting the finishing touches on them. They will be in the game station.

Thanks to Goc for erasing everyone's rosters in the thread he created... lots of class. Good thing I set up a data sheet with everything on it. Working right now on some clean up, updated coming soon.

11/25- Mid South Wrestling Live- Houston, Texas - Sam Houston Coliseum BLACK FRIDAY IN HOUSTON! Los Conquisatdors defeated The German Destroyers El Bracero defeated Mad Dog Boyd ThunderBolt Patterson & The Masked Superstar went to a double DQ when the match went into the crowd Mr. Wrestling II defeated Blackjack Lanza The One Man Gang won a battle royal MID SOUTH TAG TEAM CHAMPIONSHIP The Fantastics defeated The Wild Samoans © via DQ when the Wild Samoans laid waste to the Fantastics after a brutal bloody beatdown. Rogers and Fulton were carted from the ring. MID SOUTH TELEVISION CHAMPIONSHIP Don Muraco © defeated S.D. Jones MID SOUTH NORTH AMERICAN CHAMPIONSHIP LUMBERJACK MATCH Ted Dibiase © defeated Wahoo McDaniel with help from the One Man Gang but emerging from the back was the JUNKYARD DOG! JYD and Wahoo sent Dibiase and the Gang packing as the crowd erupted!

Waiting on some confirmation to try and get the new guys in and we should be able to fill some gaps throughout this weekend and get things going fellas.

Looks like we have 2 guys in the hopper right now to join. Those of us still in, please let me know so we can figure out how to plan and move forward with some things due these developments.

Sounds good. Looks like there's a couple of us with life left, we have a couple of ideas in the hopper. Thanks to all those who have contributed and laid a blue print for what we will be building from starting as soon as possible.

It seems as though any kind of discussion on the topic has been tabled. Let's see how the coming weeks go and see what we need to do to keep this thing moving forward. With you and Stan out, other promotions not having posted in a while, we have to figure out a way to keep things consistent for the future of the project. I know I am locked in and will help in any way to keep this project from going down.

Pretty good stuff moving forward here with Big Time. I like the methodical pace you have with your shows which sets them up for an easy read and follow. I am interested to see some of these records come together with some more matches under people's belts. Keep doing work man.

I appreciate the feedback Kev. Seems we are in the dying days of some of the Territories so it is good to see we've got a couple more of us going strong. I will continue to put out the best product I can with Mid South and it is due to some of the key things you have discussed here. Putting forth effort in those angles is super important and making sure they are kept up and enjoyable is more important now than ever.

Mid South Wrestling is coming to you from the Civic Center in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma on Fox and its affiliates Fox 8 out of New Orleans, KLRT 16 out of Little Rock, WXXV 25 out of Jackson, KOKH 25 out of Oklahoma City, and KRIV 26 out of Houston. {Mid South Wrestling opens with highlights of all the top stars of Mid South Wrestling. We then cut to the Jim Ross and Bill Watts standing by!} Jim Ross: WELCOME EVERYONE TO MID SOUTH WRESTLING! I am Jim Ross alongside Bill Watts! Fans we have got a huge night of action lined up for you this evening including a Mid South Television Championship contest as Don Muraco defends against Mr. Wrestling II! Bill Watts: Wrestling II is looking to gain some revenge on Muraco and a title that was for all intensive purposes taken from him. Jim Ross: Well tonight he’s got his chance at gold… but we have to ask, will Paul Jones play a factor? Bill Watts: Without a doubt he will, but a bigger question to ask is how Wrestling II’s allegiance to Wahoo McDaniel will play a part…. Jim Ross: Last week we saw Wrestling II and the Fantastics run down against the Untouchables but you gotta know that Dibiase, the One Man Gang, and the Blackjacks are here tonight and they will have some measure of revenge. Bill Watts: One can only wonder when the JYD will be back to help go against their cause… Jim Ross: Time will tell, right now though, we’ve got some big tag team action, it is the team of Misawa and Kawada taking on The German Destroyers…let’s go to the ring! Misawa and Kawada vs The German Destroyers -An interesting contest with four men that just don’t mix well. It goes around 8-minutes with the Germans trying to get some heat but the fans aren’t too big on Misawa and Kawada. They do have some flashy, hardy hitting moves though which excite the fans and get them going a little. In the end the Baron gets double clotheslined out of the ring to the floor and then we see Kawada go low and Misawa go high for the 1…2…..3! Misawa and Kawada look good as Bill and Jim put them over as possible contenders in the future. *COMMERCIAL* -Mid South Wrestling returns with Bill Watts and Jim Ross putting over next week’s episode and the big tag team battle royal. They talk about all the contenders stepping into the ring with the winners going on to face the Wild Samoans for the Tag Team Titles. They discuss some of the teams and say that the Blackjacks appear to be the favorites going in but talk about the Fantastics as possible up and comers. They discuss if their involvement last week could become an issue with the Untouchables as they are in action tonight! The Fantastics vs The Shadows -I don’t know if there is a hotter team in the Mid South area right now than Bobby Fulton and Tommy Rogers. The crowd is 100% behind them and they come out like a house of fire. The Shadows are decent enough heels who get some heat and fly around for the Fantastics who send them bumping from pillar to post. We see a nice Rocket Launcher for the 1…2….3!! Rogers and Fulton begin to work the crowd as they step out of the ring and wait just a moment… the One Man Gang is shown walking down the aisle! The Fantastics back up a little bit but then from behind him run Mulligan and Lanza! They pounce on the Fantastics, working them over something awful. The Gang joins in and it is a fiasco as Ted DIbiase walks out with the NA title and he is playing the crowd. Ross and Watts are irate as the Blackjacks and the Gang leave the Fantastics lay. Is this is a sign of fortune to come? Dibiase screams that this is what happens to all who oppose the Untouchables. *COMMERCIAL* -Mid South Wrestling returns with Watts and Ross putting over the big double night event in Houston on December 16th and 17th. They put over guys like ThunderBolt Patterson and the Masked Superstar who have had issues over the past couple of weeks. Masked Superstar comes out here and he puts himself over in a big way and discusses how he is going to take ThunderBolt Patterson out of wrestling for good. He says that he never beat him, Harley Race never beat him, and that he is the RIGHTFUL World Heavyweight Champion. Watts and Ross don’t agree but give him his due… ThunderBolt Patterson vs Mad Dog Boyd -A nice contest for ThunderBolt who continually looks good on television here in Mid South. Bill and Jim put him over as a top contender but Superstar says there is no way that he will survive his beating. He opens up a challenge for him in Houston. Watts and Ross say he will no doubt accept and look forward to the match. Here tonight, ThunderBolt nails a huge SPINEBUSTER for the 1…2…3!! ThunderBolt looks out to Superstar and tells him to bring it. Masked Superstar acknowledges him but walks off. This fight is going to happen on another day! *COMMERCIAL* -Mid South Wrestlign returns for our big main event tonight. They put over the big tag team battle royal next week and wonder what will happen on December 16th an 17th in Houston. They put over the words of Superstar Billy Graham last week and wonder who he was talking about. Jim Ross says he has contacted him to be here next week so we will see how that unfolds. They then begin discussing the big television championship match. They play all the angles around the match and wonder just what will happen as we go to the ring for this contest. MID SOUTH TELEVISION CHAMPIONSHIP Mr. Wrestling II vs Don Muraco © w/ Paul Jones -This is what a main event is all about. Wrestling II has got the crowd behind him all the way and Muraco has got some real heat coming into this one as Paul Jones is getting pelted with debris. The crowd is going nuts for Wrestling II as he starts off white hot with some big time offense. He is hammering away at Muraco who is trying to fight everything off but coming out on the short end of the stick. Paul Jones gets his man outside the ring and tries to calm him down but Wrestling II brings the fight out to him. We get a pretty nasty spot when Muraco side steps and pushes Wrestling II into the guardrail. Watts says the referee is going to call for the bell and a DQ but he changes his mind. He is going to let this match go on! The fans pop as we get a couple more minutes of action with Muraco working some heat and wearing down the neck and the back but Wrestling II bounces back. He is coming with some big rights and lefts and then a huge running high knee that sends Muraco out of the ring to the floor! Muraco and Jones speak and then they start to walk off as the referee gets to 10! He is about to call for the bell but Bill Watts walks over and holds the bell and says no. Muraco has nowhere to rung with this one as he has almost been DQ and Counted Out but the referee is letting this one go! Muraco is being backed into the ring by officials and agents. Here we go with the final act and this one is a hard fought moments. Muraco is looking to finish and he is going for the PILEDRIVER but Wrestling II flips him over his back. Wrestling II hits the ropes but Jones grabs his foot! He turns around to look at him but it is Muraco who hits him with a high knee to the back! Wrestling II goes down and then PAUL JONES NAILS HIM WITH THE TV TITLE! He is out! Muraco rolls up Wrestling II with a hand full of tights for the 1…2….3!! The crowd is irate! Muraco holds on to the belt amidst a ton of controversy. -Watt and Ross put this over and Watts says he is going to do whatever it takes for Wrestling II to get his just due. Watts then announces that along with the big tag team battle royal next week, we will see the North American Title on the line when Wahoo McDaniel takes on Ted Dibiase! The crowd is excited to hear that as Watts and Ross wish everything a Happy Thanksgiving and say that next week they will have some of the first details of the big two night extravaganza in Houston next month!

Drama and discussion can be two different things all dependent upon who is involved and his or her point of view. From the origination of this discussion, Dawho, sorry to see you drop. You've been good to work with. If we are going to keep on the same track, let's keep doin work.

That's fine, I don't want to go national. I have never said that I wanted to, despite you and others saying it for me. I like Mid South and it has become a great project for me to do and I think I do a pretty good job of it. I am fine with its size and natural growth. My only main concern is talent that is just sitting out there that could be utilized in many different promotions. I guess that's an invalid concern.

I am fine with that, I do think in 1984, for those of us continuing, perhaps we look at some things again. Sorry.

Okay. Then we don't have it. We sit with the same rules, never changing? Those who post, post. Those who don't, don't. If that's what will "keep" interested and help people post, then do work. I can't see how it is out of line to ask if there is a discussion and you constantly take it as argumentative like you've done since day one. I apologize for wanting to see this go past 6 months and be productive. Good luck.

So you won't even discuss the idea of looking at 1984 and discussing if things need to change at all? It doesn't mean they have to, it is simply a discussion. The entire wrestling world started to change in 1984, why would it be impossible to discuss future ideas of the project?

You can be snarky about it all you want but what is the point of the last big rule drama go around and a poll on it if we just go over the same shit again in a month? It was forseen by many when it did go down befre, that this would come up again. I am not making a big push for a humongous draft, I have followed by the "rule" to limit how big we can get. my only comment is to look at 1984 and see if those of us who are willing to continue to build this project are willing to let it evolve. "Progress is impossible without change, and those who cannot change their minds cannot change anything." If this is going to be a simple small territory 1983 project then it should finish on December 31st and go out high. If it is going to evolve to 1984, when things in the real world of wrestling changed, then it is close minded for us to stay in our roots and not try to evolve.

Whatever prez, you let me know what we do here, I will follow suit.

I am not worried about it, but if we are going to continue to let talent sit out there like a Barry Windham or Bret Hart or Ricky Steamboat and not be used, I am under the impression something needs to change in that sense. I have no problem with us continuing to post shows, these promotions in real life all died. No question about it. Some quick some long, but they all died. It is interesting to see who will survive and who's in for the long haul. I love writing shows. It can't be said that I don't put max effort into putting out a consistent and fun to read product. But in order for that to continue, I may speak for myself, but I would definitely like to work with different talents. That's being hindered with the current idea of having a roster sit with some great talents unavailable to be used. This idea of recharge is fine and all, I am good with it, but a dead promotion, is a dead promotion.

This is frustrating to hear man. From the looks around here, things haven't been to hopping as of late. I know I am booked up through the 17th of December. I hate to say we need to do another game of who is in and who isn't but production has definitely gone down over the past two weeks. Not a good thing with you dropping by any means.

Mid South Wrestling is coming to you from Lakefront Arena in New Orleans, Louisiana on Fox and its affiliates Fox 8 out of New Orleans, KLRT 16 out of Little Rock, WXXV 25 out of Jackson, KOKH 25 out of Oklahoma City, and KRIV 26 out of Houston. {Mid South Wrestling opens with highlights of all the top stars of Mid South Wrestling. We then cut to the Jim Ross and Bill Watts standing by!} Jim Ross: WELCOME EVERYONE TO MID SOUTH WRESTLING! I am Jim Ross alongside Bill Watts! Bill last week we saw this group of men… the Untouchables… led by Ted Dibiase! Bill Watts: That’s right Jim. Last week Ted Dibiase flexed his pocket book. He put together a super group and lemme tell ya something right now, we need to find some guys to stick up to them! Jim Ross: What is the word on the Junkyard Dog Bill? I know you met with him this week… Bill Watts: JYD was in good health. He has got a couple of broken ribs at the hands of the One Man Gang… but he said he can’t wait to get back into the ring. Jim Ross: I know we are ALL waiting on him coming back and getting some revenge… time will tell when he does make it back! Bill Watts: Well he is double tough and when push comes to shove, he will show everyone what it is all about in the middle of that ring! Jim Ross: Well tonight his buddy, Wahoo McDaniels is going to be in action and he’s got his hands full tonight against Blackjack Mulligan… you know that Dibiase’s men will be out there. Bill Watts: Well if Wahoo needs a hand… he can count on me, I will be there! Jim Ross: Well right now the One Man Gang is in action, let’s go to the ring! Ken Raper & Tommy Gilbert vs The One Man Gang w/ Ted Dibiase -A great little showcase of the One Man Gang. He is so big compared to the Gilbert & Raper and with Dibiase out there, it is nothing but a thing for the Gang. He beats both men within an inch of their lives and slams one on top of the other for a huge 747! 1…2….3! Dibiase then jumps into the ring and he says that tonight, Wahoo McDaniel is going to feel the pain. Tonight Wahoo McDaniel is going to go down just like the Junkyard Dog did. Tonight the Untouchables are going to leave him and Mid South will be theirs with no questions asked! *COMMERCIAL* -MSW returns with Watts and Ross putting the One Man Gang over in a huge way. They wonder who in the world could stand up against him. They put over the Untouchables and the big main event tonight with Wahoo and Mulligan. They then turn their attention to the World Tag Team Titles and say that the Samoans are looking for challengers. They put over a big tag team battle royal on the 11/30 edition of Mid South Wrestling in two weeks in which we will see a big tag team battle royal in which number one contenders will be crowned! They turn the attention to a big tag team match tonight as Misawa and Kawada are back in action! Misawa & Kawada vs The Shadows -A good back and forth here for the Japanese Superstars. We once again see the German Destroyers come out. Misawa and Kawada are snug and crisp and they make quick work of the Shadows with Ross and Watts putting them through the roof. Kawada with a huge savat kick on Red Shadow before Misawa catches him for a dragon suplex and the 1…2…3! Misawa and Kawada have won it but soon enough the Baron and Von Hess pull Kawada out of the ring and start going to work on him! Misawa comes out and we have a short brawl before referees break it up. Watts and Ross put it over as we cut to break… *COMMERCIAL* -MSW returns with Ross and Watts putting over the big tag team brawl we just saw. Watts and Ross put over the big television title contest next week as Mr. Wrestling II goes for the gold against Don Muraco. They wonder if Paul Jones will get involved again and just how Wrestling II can contain him. Watts then announces that on December 16th and 17th, Mid South Wrestling will be coming to the Sam Houston Coliseum for a huge two night grand prix with two of the biggest wrestling cards in the history of professional wrestling. Watts says he is in negotiations to possibly bring in the NWA World Heavyweight Champion and Ted Dibiase has made it known that he would like to challenge him. Watts puts over how he has got some big names coming into Mid South over the next month including the return of the Midnight Express and the debut of the Rock N Roll Express in Mid South Wrestling! Ross and Watts put it over as we cut to the ring for our next match. El Bracero vs Mad Dog Boyd -A simple showcase for Bracero who is a tough competitor in the ring. Boyd gets some nice heat but it is Bracero who looks great with a huge high cross body for the victory. He works the crowd but then out of nowhere…. Superstar Graham: LET ME HAVE YOUR ATTENTION! LET ME HAVE YOUR EARS! Jim Ross: Superstar Billy Graham, what in world are you doing here? Superstar: Lemme tell you something daddy… today is a new day! Today is a day of reckoning! I have searched the world over for the man of the hour, the man with the power, the highlight maker, the record breaker! I have found him! I have found the sensation! I have found the man with the greatest body in professional wrestling! I am bringing him right here to Mid South Wrestling. I am going to show the world why he cannot be beat! I am going to show the world why he is the second coming! Mark it on your calendars, he is coming and the Superstar is bringing him! -As odd as his appearance, his disappearance does the same… Ross and Watts wonder what is going on here… *COMMERCIAL* {MSW returns with footage from last week and the Masked Superstar saying that he was robbed of the NWA title. He then walks out and says he is putting out the open challenge to anyone in wrestling. He says he will put his mask on the line! Superstar continues to work the crowd until a pop is heard and out comes THUNDERBOLT PATTERSON! The fans erupt as the ThunderBolt jumps into the ring and looks at the Masked Superstar and tells him to bring it!} OPEN CHALLENGE ThunderBolt Patterson vs Masked Superstar -A wild one to start as ThunderBolt comes with some big time rights and Superstar is backing up. ThunderBolt with a couple of big knee lifts and he looks to have complete control! ThunderBolt even looks to finish but when he sends Superstar to the ropes but the Superstar comes back with a big boot that just knocks his head clean off! The fans are starting to cheer for Patterson who works his way back up but Masked Superstar is just too much man. He is wearing him down like a piece of leather as Ross and Watts put it over in a big way. Masked Superstar is looking to finish as he works the neck and the back and goes for a shoulder breaker on Patterson who ducks over his back and then throws him into the turnbuckle. Superstar comes back and Patterson with a HUGE DROPKICK sending him flying! The crowd is going wild as ThunderBolt runs with a cross body and both men go over the top to the floor! We have got a wild brawl right now in the entryway! Masked Superstar then with a devastating shot to the throat and he hoists up Patterson and drops him down on the guardrail, right on the throat, putting him down! He works the fans as though he won the world title! This one goes to a no contest as the Masked Superstar has made it known that he will do whatever it takes to win a fight… *COMMERCIAL* -MSW returns with footage of the attack on Wahoo McDaniel last week. We hear Ross and Watts put it over in a big way and wonder just who will be able to help Wahoo against this group of Untouchables. Ted DIbiase walks out to the ring with the One Man Gang and he joins commentary. He puts himself over as the premiere wrestler in the world and says that on December the 16th, he has a chance to win the NWA World Heavyweight Championship and then he will have one more title for his other shoulder. Watts and Ross say that Harley Race is no one to be reckoned with and he could end up surprising Dibiase. They talk about the Untouchables and Dibiase says that he is going to hold Mid South up for hostage and Watts won’t have the money to buy it back! We cut to the ring as Wahoo McDaniel comes out and he looks into the ring as Mulligan stands tall with Lanza by his side! Watts says that Brody is gone, Andre is gone, and the JYD is gone… who could dare stand up to the Untouchables… MAIN EVENT Wahoo McDaniel vs Blackjack Mulligan w/ Blackjack Lanza -The crowd is going wild for the Okie Native as Wahoo comes out ready for a fight. Mulligan doesn’t even wait for him to get into the ring before he goes to work and we have got a world class brawl from the outset. The fans are going wild while Ross and Watts put this through the roof but Dibiase says there is no way that Wahoo can survive. Lanza is getting involved at every turn but Wahoo with a huge kick right to the mush and Lanza goes flying backwards. Mulligan runs at Wahoo but McDaniel comes back with an elbow right to the eye and Mulligan falls backwards. Mulligan’s eye is busted open the hard way here and Wahoo comes back with some huge chops and then a big BODYSLAM! Lanza gets up and he grabs Wahoo as Mulligan runs for a high knee but Wahoo moves and Lanza goes flying again! Mulligan turns around and Wahoo grabs him again with a roll up for the 1…2….3!! Wahoo has won it! Dibiase says it is a fluke but Wahoo says it was good enough to earn a shot against Dibiase in two weeks right here on Mid South television for the North American Championship!! Dibiase is irate as he explodes from the booth! -Now we see Dibiase, The Gang, and the Blackjacks on one side of the ring as they are looking to come in against Wahoo but then crowd just EXPLODES when the Fantastics and Mr. Wrestling II run out to the ring! We are moments away from an eight-man brawl as officials and agents come down. Nothing but talk right now but it could explode at any point in time! We have the Television Title on the line next week along with Kawada and Misawa taking on the German Destroyers. Then in two weeks the big tag team battle royal and the North American Championship on the line with Wahoo challenging Dibiase. Never a better time to be tuned in to Mid South Wrestling!!

Today I will go ahead and drop Mike Reed and pick up Dennis Stamp (Yes... he's been booked)

MidSouth is going to pick up Steve Lombardi and Dennis stamp and then drop Mike and Robert Reed for full time employment. I apologize, I'm actually going to edit this. Since we are only allowed to pick up one person at a time I'm going to drop Robert Reed and pick up Steve Lombardi. Sorry for the confusion.