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Interview stars out pretty boring kinda like Flair's earlier did, "woah look at me I am so rich and successful and better than that babyface guy", doing pretty much nothing to make me care about the feuds. Then Blanchard starts questioning Baby Doll and they argue and he just slaps her in the face and pulls her hair and suddenly I really care about this. Then Dusty Rhodes comes and, welp "she belongs to me now" he says as he grabs her and pulls her away. I think the morality of this feud is going to be highly questionable but that the feud itself is going to be amusing.
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I looked and looked for a source for show dates/cards/results and this is the best I could find: http://wwfoldschool.com/nwa-wcw-world-wide-wrestling-1986/ so if you know better please foind me to a good source so I can use correct dates when creating future threads. Nothing match. Thunderfoot jumps Manny, throws a bunch of shitty punches, Fernandez hits a not particularly impressive Flying Forearm and wins. Moving on.
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This was a blast, opening matwork ruled, Morgan and Charles were commanding in control, doing all sorts of awesome cut offs, punching people, slamming their heads on the apron, attacking them from behind etc. but were also great at feeding the tecnicos, Atlantis and HRII had some beautiful highspots and the sequences where they would clean house were fluid and beautiful. Blue Demon Jr. was almost a non factor, Pierroth Jr. was a solid third string rudo that contributed some nice shots. Pirata Morgan's stooging here was something else-he was taking gigantic bumps and it ruled. ****
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Even with the super libre rules this didn't feel as chaotic as their previous match, some nice violence but the match dragged and got repetitive, there's only so many tame chest slap exchanges I can watch and they did a pretty shitty take on the New Japan strike exchange. Terry wiping the blood of his forehead on the canvas made for such a great visual I just can't call it completely average. **3/4
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Watching a poorly lit video of a 63 year old mexican man bleeding all over the place is quite the experience. I think this was my first time seeing Judas, his offence was limited to basic stuff but all of it looked good, nice punches and kicks and it looked like he potatoed the ref when he knocked him down. Of course Terry brough it as well with vicious punches and kicks. Non-finish didn't really impact my enjoyment one way or the other. ***1/4
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Very fun spotfest but Dragon Lee has had better ones, match was overreliant on move>bounce of the ropes>get countered at times. Lee's Deadlift Backdrop Suplex was badass and I liked him using a big combination to end the match instead of going for the pin after every single move. Didn't care much for the New Japan strike exchange but them slapping each other while fighting in the tree of woe was cool.***-***1/4
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Well this was an absolutely tremendous lightning match. You want a spotfest to have good work-and you're going to find disagreements on just what that is. Here you had absolutely breathtaking junior lucha matwork with incredibly creative sequences and holds mixed with the beautiful highspots you'd expect from a modern CMLL match. I've seen enough 2001 Ankle Lock tribute spots for a lifetime but here they really worked it, rolling when the opponent would try to escape and kicking away to escape, and that they set it up with an awesome slam also helped. I never cease being impressed how smoothly Hechicero can transition when he grabs a limb. ***3/4
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The perseverance of Nakano is also a part of the ~shoot style storytelling~. A big win on the last show earns him a match against Takada. Pretty standard match for these two, so quite good but not quite what it could've been had they went all out. Love them fighting for positioning on the ground and the fighting spirit spot was really interesting and in character for Nakano-they do a "is that kick all you've got?", it gets a big pop and they move on. Because it makes for a far better match than exchanging low kicks for five minutes in the centre of the ring, and one where you can suspend your disbelief much more easily. I was impressed by how synchronized they were on knockdown spots, convincingly following through when you you're going down adds a lot to the viewing experience. Awesome finish here as they tie a callback to Nakano's big win from the last show into a sequence where Takada counters Nakano and Nakano dramatically kicks away before being forced to tap. ***1/4
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Starting to wonder if Takada made Southern work a gimmick of being clueless or if he just didn't really get this thing. It was amusing to see Yamazaki, who refuses to do handshake and all that sportsmanship respect nonsense in normal matches treat Southern like a total joke and work sequences on the ground by himself. **3/4
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This match was basically: gauging>legwork>peril>comeback/finish. Gauging was fine, as it is usually in these types of matches, but there was nothng particularly interesting here. The legwork consisted of Miyato doing the same low kick again and again to Burton, which was fine I guess. Match became interesting once Burton started selling the damage, and him throwing Miyato around later on was also fun. Wasn't big on how they treated Burton's knees, like they do some damage but nothing significant as it rendered most of his offence meaningless. **3/4
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I don't remember hearing of JT Southern before, he looked pretty clueless here, as even as he got almost nothing in it felt like got a little too much in. I enjoyed Takada working his superiority, there was a spot where he almost turned a Kneebar into a modified Boston Crab that looked neat that I don't remember seeing before and the finishing Armbar looked very cool. **3/4
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Before the match Anjoh signals he doesn't want any elbows in this match, doing a callback to their tag from May and thus cueing the famed ~shoot style storytelling~. And so they fight, and Anjoh starts punching Nakano in the body and Nakano loses his temper and starts foreaming/elbowing Anjoh, somewhere in there he gets his nose broken and this turns into an even bigger shootfight with both athletes sneaking in punches during their striking flurries and an awesome flash finish. Sometimes the most shocking thing to do is to actually end the match instead of doing an escape/counter/kick-out when you're most expecting it. ***1/2
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Miyato may not be a wizard on the ground but he's capable enough to follow better opponents. This was designed for Yamazaki to get his heat back after losing on the first UWFi show and Miyato was a pretty good opponent to put him over, lots of very exciting stand up action and brutal kicks and knees. Highlights on the ground were Yamazaki grabbing some cool leglocks and an amazing spot where Miyato countered Yamazaki's leglock by just kicking him in the side of the head which looked almost disgusting. Almost. ***1/4
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This was a pretty brilliant way of Takada putting himself over. Burton is an amateur guy whose skills here are limited to takedowns and slams, and even when he would do something on offence Takada was never lost, if he'd get taken down he'd keep a hold of Burton's limb and prevent him from taking advantage of it. Burton's selling here was as "big" as it can get in a shoot style match that I still like it, and with the narrative of Takada possessing superior technique it totally worked for me. This was also evident in Takada not having much trouble in escaping from Burton's submissions while scoring the win the first time he grabbed a bigger hold (and the slam he gave Burton before it just screamed "Takada #1"). Also Takada stiffed Burton with some really nice palm strikes and head kicks which I'll always love. ***1/4
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Lots of goodness here. Match started of pretty slow but I find it muche easier to concentrate when wrestlers are fighting for position, gauging the distance for striking and generally acting like they are actually fighting than when they just grab a hadlock for five minutes. Early highlight was Nakano busting out a shoot DDt, but things got out of control once Miyato broke Nakano's nose with palm strikes, then the transitioned to a cool subplot of Anjoh and Nakano hitting each other with illegal elbows and they finished the match off with Anjoh and Yamazaki blasting each other and Yamazaki's awesome selling of peril where he gradually acted weaker and weaker before going down. ***1/4-***1/2
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I was always a fan of Fujita's and it was disappointing to see how similar this was to many of the modern puro matches I dislike. Early matwork was fun but between the boring legwork, weird timing on the kick-outs and the overreliance on strike exchanges and the Front Necklock I didn't really feel it. It was violent enough to keep me mildly amused throughout, Fujita has some really pretty kicks but I don't feel especially motivated to watch a Manjimaru match ever again. Finishing stretch had a lot of moves that could be described as nearfalls but they rarely finish matches in situations in which they were used here and the audience is aware of that as well so they don't get much heat so they aren't really proper nearfalls. Manjimaru's finisher spam looked violent and got the desired reaction but by the time they got to it I was just glad there wasn't more kicking out and then a heroic Fujita comeback as that would've been too much. ***
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Sure, but he broke the pattern in a match where doing so wasn't very surprising in a way that wasn't very creative. They did the million finishers, Cena's facial expression were even more self-indulging (que Parv's Cena as Hamlet point), Styles just won. And maybe it's been a while since Edge or Orton or Triple H or Punk or Del Rio or whomever beat Cena *again* but if they were trying to create this special moment (which they were) this was a pretty lazy way to go about it. I get the defence of "well the narrative is that Styles is just better than Cena so it works in that context", the problem there is that Styles' booking and presentation doesn't really match up with that and if you want to get him to that level then I don't see how doing a match like this where every move he has is kicked out of five times really helps him. And even if you're willing to defend that my argument is that thers's simply not much value in this type of match due to its predictability and repetitive nature. I wonder if Cena going even further in constructing matches like these will just result in debates similar to those about 2000s junior wrestling and Dragon Gate that used to happen on DVDVR.
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It's an interesting argument but how long will the narrative of overcoming Cena being such a big deal have merit when he's lost in his last *six* Summerslam matches and beating him doesn't mean nearly as much as it used to? Will future arguments boil down to "well, Styles was the first one to kick out of five of Cena's finishers and the top rope AA and beat him, and Balor was the first one to kick out of two top rope AAs and beat him, and Joe was the first one to kick out of an AA of the Scaffold and beat him...."
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Man that review is pretty alienating for me. It's not that Ogawa was just *competitive* with heavies, he was the GHC Heavyweight Champion! And while I understand people have a desire to compare everything to Flair Ogawa was billed as 180cm and 90, the size difference was significantly smaller here. Furthermore the legwork worked because Ogawa was such a smart and sneaky wrestler that had a history of beating heavyweights that way and because Kobashi (even by this point) had a well documented history of knee injuries. There was no point in the match where they worked each other like they were the same size. The lack of cheating is the real issue-as soon as they started getting heat they transitioned into the comeback and thus didn't properly milk it out.
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Really loved the opening, a long Satomura control segment with her working good looking holds and repeteadly cutting Io off was a joy to watch. It was amazing to see how much they got out of a Boston Crab-I don't remember ever seeing the wrestler that's about to be stretched fight off so desperately with vicious slaps. There was also a sequence early on that was just phenomenal as they would tease traditional transitions and have them fail one after another. Match lost a little steam once it was time for Io to shine, her lucha inspired offence looked good and I was really pleasantly surprised with her knee based offence, still setting those up meant the match couldn't be as compact as it was early on. Finishing stretch was great, with Satomura busting all sorts of vicious kicks and an epic finish with Io desperately trying to grab the ropes or make Satomura lose control of her before being put away with a vicious DVB. ****
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Is there a better way of critiquing wrestling than focusing on matches?
GOTNW replied to overbooked's topic in Pro Wrestling
No, we're never moving away from the music comparisons. And all are under the auspices of the promotion's banner, so to me, it's the exact same thing. WWE is the band and Summerslam was the album featuring band members AJ Styles, Seth Rollins, Finn Balor, John Cena and Brock Lesnar, among others. But you don't have different band members perform on each track, especially not the way wrestling operates. It would be more similar to having a music festival and each match represents one act. I think there might be something to this point though. You can connect the songs on the album and make them feel like one entity and you can do this in wrestling too by intertwining the promos, matches and segments. Or just combine things completely unrelated to one another and mash them into one. The biggest problem here is that comparison really only fits the model of US TV wrestling. The big shows are supposed to be the pay off and are thus more like a greatest hits album. But if the matches become too similar (like in PWG) watching the whole show is a chore. Still I know *my* opinion of the matches isn't any different when I watch one vs when I watch five in a roe because I only watch five in a row if I feel like I really want to and aren't doing it just to finish the show. There's also the question of whether or not this model of big shows should change in a post-PPV world. How matches are perceived on their own vs as a part of a show would also be an interesting discussion on its own. -
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GOTNW replied to GOTNW's topic in August 2016
I'm sure running away from an argument you started by adding even more condescending nonsense (lol kek you can't read) is much easier than actually responding to the points I made. Maybe if you knew how to argue you wouldn't feel the need to resort to such cheap baiting.- 16 replies
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Is there a better way of critiquing wrestling than focusing on matches?
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We're never moving away from the music comparisons are we? The only album a wrestling show can be compared to is a compilation featuring different acts for every track and just typing that out screams trying too hard. -
It didn't look like that. KENTA collapsing on a Powerbomb because his leg is hurt is a really good example of that, but he still manages to pick the opponent (think it was Nakajima) up in the first place. If you're not strong enough to do a Powerbomb maybe just don't do it (see also Rollins; Seth).
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It's not the issue of it being a botch, it's how it looks. Rick Steiner "botches" a suplex by throwing someone to high/far and drops them on their head. It's reckless and dangerous, but it makes him look really strong. Bayley not being able to pick Asuka up just makes her look frail and weak.