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[2017-04-30-WWE-Payback] Braun Strowman vs Roman Reigns
GOTNW replied to ShittyLittleBoots's topic in April 2017
It was really cool to see this type of match done on the biggest platform it could get as a nice counter to all the workrate matches that dominate even WWE shows these days. Strowma just runs over Reigns-slamming him into the barricade, Chokeslamming him on the announce table, wrecking him in various ways. Reigns really did carry the match though-his offence is designed in a way that he can realistically pull something like he did in this match-there's enough spots where he can look strong without being required to lift people a million times-punching and lariating people leaves a strong impression, but it's still done in a way that he only lifted Braun once, and when he did it was a big spot that exhausted him. Reigns losing control on his own Lariat because he was reckless enough to throw his body into it was picture perfect. Reigns took maybe the greatest bump into the turnbuckle ever-the thud it gave out made it sound more brutal than when chairs are used in the same spot. Reigns barely getting his shoulder up was such a perfect spot, it almost had a Misawa-in-peril vibe to it. If there was an issue in this match, it's that Strowman really lacks the high-end nearfalls offence you expect from a main event wrestler. The Powerslam kick-out really felt like this big, significant moment-hitting another one and ending the match there left a little sour taste in my mount. Of course then came the great post-match beatdown that salvaged that, the use of the blood capsules was an incredible idea, and Reigns' acting accomodated it well. **** -
I see a lot of insistence on there being one correct way of limb selling, while simultaneously a huge number of fans seem to not care about whether or not limb selling is presented in that way or not. The response they most often give is "you're right, but I still enjoyed the match". With all the progress we've made in creating a community where you can see people who are more open to appreaciating the many aspects of pro wrestling that would basically make them expelled from the conventional wrestling discussion circles, I am surprised this idea still perserveres to this day. I really couldn't give a damn about consistent limb selling, and the idea "it used to be sold" and there's some degeneracy in current wrestling might be the most nonsensical of them all. There's basically no difference between Stan Hansen blowing off armwork and Okada doing so-any differences in how you perceive them aren't based on selling, they're based on their character work, presentation and so on. In fact Okada will probably make more of an effort to sell the arm than Hansen did, and both will use the injrued arm to hit their Lariats and go over eventually. I can think of several matches- Hashimoto vs Hase from the 1993 G1, Kensuke Sasaki vs Minoru Suzuki for the Triple Crown from 2007, Misawa vs Hase from 2000, KENTA vs Marufuji from 2012, Naito vs Shibata from the 2015 G1 etc. where the great matches use overcoming limbwork and sporadic selling and no-selling as tools in getting over a narrative in a match. On the other hand, when I think of great matches where there's a dead limb, there's Liger vs Sano, and I really can't think of anything else from the top of my head. Why is this so stigmatized in wrestling criticism? Do most people who complain about, say, a wrestler using kicks after having his leg worked over know it's actually the other leg he shouldn't be kicking with since it's harder to stand on just an injured leg than to wham it into your opponent? Why should wrestlers act like taking three Dragon Screws makes their leg immobilized? In cases like these I'd say wrestlers working a style that some critics would find more realistic/believable would have a completely opposite effect.
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A really well done punishment match. I think Kea's Swinging DDT might be the greatest counter spot ever, based just solely on the fact I buy into it over and over again despite having seen it a million times. Kea really takes it to Akiyama, firing away at him with awesome kicking combinations. The violence doesn't disappoint-you get an awesome slap battle, Akiyama doing all the standard stuff you'd expect him to in this type of match like a Bodyslam to the outside, a wicked Torture Crab etc., but the transitions are really the what holds this together so match. It's the key aspect of All Japan I point to over and over again, because it's what makes it work more than anything. When Akiyama bounces off the ropes and slows down a bit you expect a counter spot and he just Elbows Mossman in the face it feels really rewarding, as does Mossman counter kicking Akiyama literally miliseconds before he Elbows him in the face. The violence of Akiyama's final headdrops is something most will point to, but I think in a match like does Mossman selling an irish whip into a corner whip as a means of wear down as well as he did deserves at least as much credit, since that's something singificantly harder to pull off and rarer seen than a brutal Brainbuster or a Double Underhook DDt. ***1/4
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- Jun Akiyama
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This had a promising start, with Ishikawa beating on Daichi and focusing on his mid section, but quickly went to shit once it was time for them to work back and forth. There was a cool moment in the beginning of the match where they were doing shoulder blocks, and as Ishikawa is bigger it's expected he'll know Daichi down, so Daichi booted him in the face before he did so, which was cool since it broke the flow of the sequence and made the inevitable shoulder block that would take him down a little bigger moment. That was completely absent later on in the match, they were just doing empty rope running counters, it doesn't even mattter who hits their move or catches the opponent as they're bouncing off, the crowd will politely clap and move along. It's a ritual really, but one that completely sucks the energy and the meaning of control. And it's not like this is some nitpicking nonsense you have to look super into to see-you see that philosophy clearly moments later in a sequence where first Ishikawa hits a Thunder Driver, but then Hashimoto does a Penalty Kick, and then it's Ishikawa that cuts off the "meaningless rope run~" with a Lariat. They don't even try to half ass pops up in the most cartoonish, Sekimoto-esque eat a headdrop>fighting spirit no sell way. They just get their stuff in. And I don't think that's good wrestling. **
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- Shuji Ishikawa
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A nice little match, as Nomura attacks Omori before the bell with consecutive Dropkicks and sets the pace for this quick match. Omori looks to hit the Axe Bomber, Nomura looks for the Spear, naturally they run the ropes a lot for that, and it's about as cohesive as it could be. I loved how Omori blocked Nomura's first Spear attempt by just powering through and that the finish included countering the back of the head-normal Axe Bomber, that and the length of the match were a nice nod to the famous Akiyama/Omori sprint, and Nomura's delayed selling was on point. **3/4
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- Takao Omori
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These two have another hate filled brawl, but this time inside a steel cage match! Puerto Rican wrestling really feels like a cartoon that's come to life-but more in the vein of Hellsing than Scooby Doo. Basically-there's a lot of ridiculous stuff that ask you to suspend your disbelief, but they do a good job of consitently following through on the logic of the universe they're in. Like I'm not sure whether they were using a taser or a stapler, but the weapon choices can get pretty goofy. Still-they surround it with enough violence you can just immerse yourself into it and enjoy it for what it is-and you get some really cool spots like an Alabama Slam into a side of a cage and someone beinf trapped inbetween the cage and the ropes and just getting nuked with vicious Lariats. There's a strecher job, and it can be pretty hair to nails strecher jobs, especially since there's a pretty big chance the wrestler's going to come back in the match later, but it was done about as well as possible here. El Cuervo took a gigantic bump of the cage into thumbtack, disappeared for a while, then came back swinging through the crowd, and when he came back into the ring it took him quite along time to get one of the heels onto his shoulder and I'd stop and check before executing his usual offence. I wasn't the biggest fan of the post-match beatdown and angle, felt a little forced, but it couldn't detract too much from a neat match. ***1/2
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- Mike Mendoza
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This didn't reach the heights of their previous match, as this was more of a classic tag than a chaotic brawl, but was still pretty good. I really liked La Revolucion's work here, they found smart ways to distract the ref and utilize the blind tag to their advantage and had a lot of neat cut offs like good looking big boots, stomps or just pulling by the taping. Mendoza and Cuervo remind me of The Hardys-in that they seem to have the basics down, sell well, know how to fire up and make the crowd buy into them, but also opt to do jumping around, and while I really could live without ever seeing a sub-CM Punk Go 2 Sleep ever again it's mostly inoffensive, maybe due to how recklessly they throw themselves into a lot of it. The simulatenous double pin is hardly the most original idea, but it's a good enough angle to prolong the feud so I didn't mind it. ***1/4
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What an amazing brawl. This really was everything I could hope from a 3 minute brawl, just an insane level of violence with a molten crowd, a blurred line between work and shoot that gave the most a special hook and feel and a wonderfully chaotic ending. Between them throwing Bas Rutten level palm strikes, rope breaks serving as a means of saving one's wellbeing instead of just a really cool prop for a pop, Vrij sweeping Maeda with kicks (and Maeda's knees had surely taken their damage by that point in his career) and Maeda stomping Vrij after the match was over because "fuck you, you're not getting away" this really had the feeling of a uniquely flavoured match that is unlikely to repeat, especialy since a platform like RINGS is unlikely to ever appear, and was certainly one of the best trainwrecks wrestling's ever produced. ****1/4
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Here's a question spefically aimed at Matt D (of course others who share his viewing habits and opinion can answer it too)-why is it that what Ultimo Guerrero does is dismissed because of its repetition and lack of variation when there is a specific wrestler you hold in high acclaim and consider one of the best ever that does exactly the same thing (yes, you guessed correctly and no, please don't go down THAT road again, we've had enough of Flaiir discussions for three lifetimes)? What's the difference? I don't really see it beyond the material they use, the crowds they perform in front and the length of the matches. The symbolism is the same.
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A match where the interactions between Misawa and Kawada are the least interesting thing to happen! Seriously-it was mostly pretty forgettable workrate stuff, though there was a nice moment where Kawada avoided Misawa's body press and almost took his head off with a spin kick. Kawada looked better than Misawa here-he still has some junior offence I could live without like pulling out a handspring elbow, but he showed good fire trying to hand with Yatsu. Tenryu was just out of this world great here-acting like the world's greatest prick. His slaps, chops and Lariats all looked amazing, but he would also bust out head stomps to break up pins that looked as vicious as what he was doing 5-10 years later, but he still had theathleticism and the explosivenes that make even just him running the ropes a much stronger image. Yatsu trying to match him in violence really made the match, he really upped his striking game and hanged with Tenryu. The match ends in the standard chaotic brawling, which is really good, and is skillfully tied up into the Tenryu-Jumbo angle. Tenryu even Powerbombs Misawa on the ringside table, though as sloppily as you'd expect. ***1/2
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Neat neat neat! Exactly what I had hoped for-Tenryu-Wajima is the biggest match-up, and they smartly tease it, and while they do so Ishikawa carries the workload, not only does he bust out awesome chops and knees, he even makes the sloppy middle kicks seemingly everyone in 80s All Japan did look great. Hara is just so on point here too-really bringing the violence, his Headbutts looked vicious here, and his chops and Lariats are just on another level, he's like a whole smashing into something. Wajima is hardly a super worker, but the crowd buys into him and he has solid offence, that's enough to reach greatness when everyone else is so good. Loved how he and Tenryu provoked each other, how they played mind games by tagging out, when they finally got their hands on each other it was exactly as rough as gritty as you'd expect, they were getting into these awesome positions that are really hard to explain, something between sumo and wrestling, just getting into each other's face, it ruled so much. I also loved the sequence where Wajima just dared Tenryu to chop him and after he'd failed to cut him down Tenryu just sweeped his leg. ****
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- genichiro tenryu
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Quite an odd structure here-the match starts with awesome brawling, as Tenryu and Hara just beat the hell out of Nakano, and light Yatsu up goint toe to toe with him, but then that's broken up by a limbwork section that serves no purpose (from a narrative standpoint, you could argue its use in terms of pacing) and then the match turns into a spotfest. Still, the good prevails-Tenryu and Hara make everything they do vicious, Yatsu has some neat moves like the German Suplex and his cut-off Sliding Lariat was fantastic, and Nakano fired up well and made the crowd buy into him, together with Tenryu's selling and timing on the kick-outs late in the match. ***1/4
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- genichiro tenryu
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The body of the match lacked the focus for this to reach greatness, but it's definitely good enough to seek out if you dig this type of match. After the initial Tenryu-Hansen face off and big chop battle there isn't much memorable for a while-the action is good, there's some nice hoss potatoing, but it doesn't go further than that. Dibiase feels like a total utility player, just filling the role of Hansen's partner, which makes the finish that much more fitting, as Hansen is isolated and just nuked by Tenryu and Hara, and you see some signs of what would come from Tenryu later in his career when he hits a beautiful running head stomp. Hansen taking advantage off the chaos and managing to Lariat Tenryu who had just run over Dibiase felt like he'd barely escaped defeat, so it's understandable they wanted him to get some heat back, but it looked quite silly to have Tenryu and Hara running away from him just because he had a broom now. Oh well. ***1/4
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This match wasn't much, mostly because Terry Gordy's performance was god awful, Memphis TV undercard matches had more intensity than he did in this match. The structure was quite dull too, the foreigners pretty much took the entire match, and it just doesn't make for an interesting experience to see someone get cut off over and over and over again, especially knowing more shitty worked punches await. There were some nice moments of violence when Hansen would get it on, and Hara's comeback punches looked great (unlike his headbutts, which looked terrible, backyard level headbutting your own hand), Tenryu's role was kept to a minimum, he had a couple off stare offs with Hansen's and managed to Lariat him in a throat near the end, but he wasn't the focus off the match. Hansen going on one of his signature rampages at the end and destroying everything in sight is enough for me to call this above average but if you're itching for some 80s All Japan tag action there are better choices out there. **3/4
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- genichiro tenryu
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The infamous seven second match! But this being All Japan nothing is ever as simple as it may seem. Omori attacks Akiyama before the bell, which he actually evades, and hits a big knee knocking Omori down! He then goes for the Exploder, Omori evades it, does an awesome ref shove, blindsights Akiyama with an Axe Bomber and THEN the bell rings, and Omori hits a quick back of the head/regular Axe Bomber combo for the win. Hard to slap a rating on it, but it was an efficient and exciting way of getting someone over, and almost certainly the best executed one in such a short match.
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- Jun Akiyama
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[1997-01-20-AJPW-New Year's Giant Series] Jun Akiyama vs Akira Taue
GOTNW replied to Loss's topic in January 1997
A fun little match, but one I can't really include on my ongoing list of best ***- 8 replies
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I was surprised to see how this match actually looked like, since I remembered it just as a couple of minutes of awesome striking. On a rewatch the almost five minutes were still awesome, but their content and what made it work quite different. It's true that there were strike exchanges-and they worked for the characters, Nakano is an undercard shoot wrestler overmatched by Tenryu, who uses sumo-style slapping shoves to corner Nakano time and time again. Nakano's only chances are in going for a submission and utilizing kicks-and even in such a short match they'll take their time in Tenryu recuperating from an Armbar and setting the pace for their next show-off instead of just going straight to it, it really makes a difference in how the crowd perceives the match and reacts to it. It's remarkable how much thought they put into the finish of a match like this-Tenryu goes for a Hiptoss, Nakano stops it by palm striking Tenryu's face off, and as he's about to get on top of him Tenryu kicks his leg out from the bottom, injuring it, and then quickly takes care of Nakano with a Half Crab. If you think about it Tenryu's matches vs UWFi guys really were basically Battlarts style. ***1/4
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[1989-10-25-UWF-Fighting Art] Kiyoshi Tamura vs Akira Maeda
GOTNW replied to Microstatistics's topic in October 1989
This just might be the peak of wrestling bruality. As neat as punhes, chops, kicks, headbutts and so on can look, none of them really convey the sense of horror Maeda hitting Tamura with full force muy thai knees does. Tamura's desperate flurries ruled, but the best thing he did in the entire match was probably the down where he wasn't hit, but simply couldn't get up after getting a rope break. It is kind of insane to do this type of match, where a former yakuza beats up a young boy so bad he's out for a year, but it makes for an unmatchable spectacle of violence. ****- 3 replies
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The AJPW/Noah Spilt - Online fans perspective from that time
GOTNW replied to SPS's topic in Pro Wrestling
I mean if you really believe that there's plenty of material from that time preserved online if you want to look into the perception of All Japan in real time, how legit the numbers were and whatnot. It's not that they couldn't run big buildings and draw big crowds, but couldn't manage to keep the crowds coming in an oversatured and declining market after they'd suffered a giant blow, especially at the consistency that was there before. You can add losing the NTV deal as one of the factors to them shrinking too. -
Izumida comes out wearing in a Hashimoto cosplay and it's clear this match is going to rule and that I should watch more Izumida since I only remember he does Headbutts. KENTA has a really cool control segment, with all of his good looking striking and kicking combinations, where they constantly tease standard pro wrestling transitions but KENTA always does that extra move to remain in control. KENTA uses those small Kawada'esque kicks and hurts his foot because of how strong Izumida's head is! Izumida proceeds to just destroy KENTA because he's small and that's how the circle of life works. The only problem is that in doing so outside of the ring he starts beating up wrestlers ringside and by the time it's time to get back into the ring the count's already at 18, and KENTA's baseball slides manage to keep him outside. As if you need any more proof how much of a cooler setting peak NOAH is than the sterile star factory of 90s All Japan. ***
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The AJPW/Noah Spilt - Online fans perspective from that time
GOTNW replied to SPS's topic in Pro Wrestling
Nah it killed their business. They ran the Tokyo Dome because it was Stan Hansen's retirement AND they were in an interpromotional feud with New Japan at the time. They were on a steady and gradual decline from then to ~2013~ when the whole Speed Partners/W-1 split thing happened and completely changed their business paradigm. Honestly the difference in what a big All Japan show could draw in 2004 and 2011 wasn't really that big, and they stopped doing Budokans for a reason. -
This match is like a game of cat and mouse, as Ishimori attacks Sano with a blitzkrieg of wacky junior offence, many years have passed since Sano was the hot thing in New Japan's junior division and he absolutely cannot hang with Ishimori in that regard. I'm indifferent to Ishimori's offence and him in general, he's a solid junior but not someone I'd ever go out of my way to see. Old man Sano has about three regular moves, but all of them look sooo good, his Rolling Savate Kicks deserve to be a subject of royal paintings, films of them exhibited in museums so they are preserved for generations to come. I got a kick out of the finish being Sano literally catching Ishimori's La Casita attempt. **3/4
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- Takuma Sano
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A really cool match structure that the crowd totatlly bought into. Walker and Takayama attack Akiyama and Kobashi at the bell and try to isolate Kobashi, double teaming him and beating on him. Takayama hits Kobashi with one of the damnest German Suplexes I've ever seen, almost beheading Kobashi which is insane considering all the wear and tear his body had had up to that point. Akiyama tries to help Kobashi get back into the match, and in one of the best spots off the match gets caught off with an awesome giant knee from Takayama while he's holding Walker in a Necklock. They build the finish around Kobashi and Walker, and once Akiyama finally fights off Takayama and holds Walker's leg while he's on the top rope Kobashi takes advantage of that hitting a Superplex and nuking Walker with all of his special moves. A thrilling four minutes they were. ***
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It's so weird seeing Vader as a babyface, the crowd is eating out of the palm of his hand, it's quite weird to see them copying his wacky mannerisms and him giving fans high fives. The match is quite brief, as Yone attacks Vader at the bell with some strikes that remind you why he was only the fifteenth best wrestler in Battlarts, they tease Vader cutting him off but Yone evades and hits a Spinning Heel Kick! (a transition you'll often see in WWE which really helps make the rope running segments work) and then Vader quickly cuts him off and puts him away with a giant Chokeslam, and I liked how he followed it up with an elbow drop and a top wristlock pin. Nice little squash. **3/4
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