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Post of the year candidate. Is that a sheety?

I hate to speak for Johnny but I kind of see him trying to enjoy a more "party" environment to his current WWE special viewings as he references other people being around and going out for smoke breaks during the shows so, it may be a little harder for him to have a more critical and analytical annalist for the shows as his experience with them is hued by his surroundings and mood during viewing. I for one in no way would want to disparage someone a good time especially because for myself at times it's hard enough to watch current WWE shows so, I say rock on Johnny whatever you're doing that makes you walk away from these shows with such a positive experiences keep it up!

I have been told I'm just like Leno but, that was in the context of working on cars

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Weird random thing he said was that Darius Rucker has Flair's rumble 92 robe. It's crazy to think where random memorabilia ended up.

Parv may have the tea but I'm pretty sure Johnny has the rest

Dead on and they got lucky on him they dragged their feet so long in signing him that he had already gotten offered a contract by TNA if he hadn't made the smart choice he'd be Crazzzy Steve right now.

New around these parts? Roh had Monster Mafia (Josh Alexander and Ethan Page) both willing to sign and they choice not to because they wouldn't go to a pay to play training camp and that was before WWEvolve was snatching everyone up, they had Austin Aries come back for 1 show, had Willie Mack, AR Fox, Corey Holis, and Jonathan Gresham have "try-outs" that went nowhere, and worst of all they could have used Ricochet but chose not too. The problem isn't the talent getting stolen it's that ROH doesn't seem to see what talent they should be going after even when it's right in front of them.

Random off topic non sequitur but, I think I have a possible Mandel effect, does anyone else remember Riki Choshu having blonde hair?

Check out Tanaka's recent match in Zero-1 vs Hideki Suzuki it's a much better showing. It's crazy Tanaka has probably been at least top 25 worker for the past 3 decades. Also thanks for listening.

I don't disagree with this and honestly I'm probably not the person to argue for "anti-workrate" as you seem to define it my point is more that honestly workrate is probably what I look at as the lowest metric I judge by.

Your right about that but I also see that the NWO didn't encourage people to go out and look up ECW, JAPW, APW, and other smaller indies, that also had huge booms during that time, as much as Austin did

You know I think there's also an argument of Stone Cold being so over that he made wrestling main stream popular and actually could be given credit for money that was made by WCW and other companies by new fans, that he had created, being so invested that they actually searched out other wrestling

Dory would probably be a poor example as I was thinking about staying in holds for long periods of time, not to say he didn't work the holds well which he did but, it feels low workrate to me even if that is a style of match I do personally enjoy a lot.

Verne, Dory, Colon and Iron Sheik all had good workrate. You could make an argument that everyone I listed had high workrate matches except maybe Nash but my point was more those are all guys that got to legendary status and had great matches without being high workrate.

Don't agree with this at all. Not when you have guys like Jake "The Snake" Roberts and Scott Hall - both good workers, no? - preaching that it's better to have only five moves if those five moves are all massively over with the audience. That's a silly conclusion to jump to, I didn't say low workrate makes you a bad worker in fact this entire time I've made the opposite argument. You can disagrees with opinions all you want but the idea that someone is high workrate without doing a lot of moves isn't an opinion as that's just the definition of the term also, keep in mind I didn't say different moves just moves so even if a guy like lets say AR Fox does 20 topes in a match that doesn't make him low workrate because it was only 1 move but it does make him dumb.

Workrate is a sliding scale everyone is some where on it. I've always thought of an easy way to look at it as workrate is judged by the amount of moves done in a set amount of time if there are a lot of moves it's high workrate if it's less then low workrate. The point is more that clearly you can to either too high or too low but to me being too high can hurt matches more than being too low and, in the macro workrate all together is fair less important than other attributes.

It dose not have to be at all and I hope that it doesn't seem like I'm digging my heels in on this, what I really mean is that the only time that workrate would come up in the decisions if I was comparing 2 wrestlers that are almost equal in every other way

Everyone works hard at times but guys like Hogan, Gagne, Dory Jr, Hart, Nash, Dusty, Warrior, Colon, Iron Sheik, Andre the Giant and Nash didn't make their names or what case they may or may not have for GWE based on their workrate.

Oh not I understand where you were coming from it just seems insane to go down that road of conversation as it seems to leading to the dreaded "You don't know anything if you haven't done it" fallacy by questioning what is a pretty basic and easy to understand concept. We can all see that clearly Vader works harder than Tenta but, to me the bigger picture is that how hard you have to work due to an inherit physical limitation shouldn't be a plus for you as a worker. Workrate is I guess some what important but it say it is a parameter that is very very low on my list.

This argument has gone completely off the rails if you are at this point just defining workrate isn't the point of this debate not about what workrate is but rather if it is an important or a valuable attribute for a wrestler to have?

Small sample size is greatly supported to me when a wrestler also has strong references and reputation examples are Red Bastien and Ray Stevens both guys who I've seen little of but I really liked what I saw and hearing people who saw then at the time with a trusted opinion say they were that good if not better for a long period of time sells me on them more.

I'm happy this is finally up yesterday I accidentally watched Holy Demon Army vs Miracle Violence Connection because I confused it with Jumbo and Kawada vs Hansen and Gordy from Tim's list

I know he won the non-compete clause case against WWE that's why in NJPW they called the f-5 "the Verdict"

http://chucklehutt.libsyn.com/lucha-undead-a-tribute-to-david-bowie We did a special episode with Parv (jerryvonkramer) talking all about the career and impact of David Bowie. It's really quite interesting to hear Parv talking about something other than wrestling including his own younger days.