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I can understand the temptation to rate Volk Han as underrated since he is a Top 10-20 wrestler ever for me. But for fans of shoot style, he is almost universally praised as one of, if not the best in the style so I don't think he really qualifies as underrated. Same for Fujiwara. Mima Shimoda is a great pick. A transcendently great heel. im not talking just around these parts i more talking about as general rule if you get in ot debate in wrestling fans not around here about best technical workers of all time Volk will never get mentioned when to me there id very little debate there he should be very high than that list and very high on any overall list im technique realism and execution mark not work rate mark and volk tick all these scores 10 9 .5 and 10 in my three main ratings wile not main people mentioned him i also go by og via cage match rating vs my own

Will catch this tomorrow. In the meantime, here's one back for you if you have time, in three parts: Typical Myers quality very high i know yjso is pre iron fist days but this he still did top work then and this match was quilty just like that and gray as very good too ****

if you read my HOF topic i say some are there for historical reasons alone among not being other HOF's what do you mean very scant footage such as whom what person who is not just in my hof for historical reasons ie anyone who debuts after 1970 is there very little footage of? He's referring to your 'Top workers' list where there are plenty of wrestler of whom there is little, if any footage of, and where you flat out admit some of your 'top workers' are there purely for historical reasons! i know i adtotted that abd that is is also only in the first 100-85 in the list or in the honourable mentions

if you read my HOF topic i say some are there for historical reasons alone among not being other HOF's what do you mean very scant footage such as whom what person who is not just in my hof for historical reasons ie anyone who debuts after 1970 is there very little footage of? for Japanese worker who debuts after 1970 there is alot for mexico there uus sicne alot lucha guys have very long active time the only post-1970 debuts that i have listed in my HOF who may have a lack of footage for are European guys n but that pool is on the uptick now too

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eddie i little more lenient since his mother connections but to agree with about how i think the should book Sombra/Almas i would do that sice he could be wwe first fulll blooded Mexican star and hes i would tke JJC's old nickname and put it on almas hell to push even futher i know wwe would never do this but i would send ot the ot Mi General Zapata or even Hijos del Pueblo so he would connect ot the working class Mexicano population in the us but that is just me right

no im not they were bith born in the us ie there not JCC like at all you are were your born eddie was born in texas rey in san diego, so yes there more like oscar than JCC who made Mistico a compere too someone born in mexico ocsar i wager was hero to Latin fans but you will never see him on list of top mexican boxers of all time cuase i one huge reason he was not born in mexico nor were rey and eddie and this is the same reason i will never have eddie ot rey listed as top mexican worker of all time Woooosh Wait, so Eddie and Rey aren't really Mexican because they were born in America? Ummm, Texas and California WERE Mexico for a long time, for one thing. The other thing is, "What the fuck?" Why is the "Japanese" guy suddenly an expert on the feelings of "Latin" fans? I'm not really sure what shodate's complete arguments are here, but there is some truth to what he's attempting to say in at least one aspect. A big reason why Cain Velasquez struggled really connecting with the fanbase in Mexico was because he was American born and struggled to talk Spanish. It was an ongoing joke with so many of my friends about how a Southwestern Chicano was being framed as a Mexican star by the UFC. Also it was a really forced attempt at creating a "Mexican star" that rung hollow and revealed that UFC didn't really understand these nuances. Shodate is on to something about how boxing has a better understanding on the nuances of regional Mexican vs Chicanos than wrestling and MMA. I knfow we probably saw this in the 1970s with feuds Jose Lothario was involved in but modern day wrestling you'd never see something like Juan Manuel Marquez vs Juan Diaz, where a part of the feud was someone from Mexico going up against a Houston Chicano. Not sure if the examples (Eddy, Rey, Mistico) he is using would be what I would use and don't agree with some other stuff, but there is something to what he is saying about Julio Cesar Chavez and Oscar de la Hoya and the different demographics they were heroes to. what do you disagree with id will debate you on them point too and thank for backing me up on the ocser and JCC things There is a lot of points to get to here, but one point I would address is this one: I think in Feb. 2004 there genuinely was a very conscious effort from WWE in trying to get Eddy Guerrero over as a main eventer, and don't believe at all that the company saw him as a mid-carder at that point. Pretty much all of Smackdown from late Jan. 2004 to June or July 2004 was built around Guerrero. When it came to the way some issues were handled, Smackdown was pretty decent and progressive at the time, more so than other periods of WWE. I say some, not at all, 'cause there was some really bad stuff on there, especially with how storylines involving women were handled. It was surprising how pro-immigrant those few months were, how the top babyfaces in the company were very much pro-undocumented immigrant, with them even realising a rap song, which was bad and corny, but was pro-crossing borders. The top heels that Guerrero were facing were: Brock Lesnar: Known homophobe who made fun of Mexicans and shamed Guerrero's addiction. Later also paid off when Cain Velasquez beat him up in the UFC. Kurt Angle: He policed the idea of who can really be an "American", who can really be a representative for a company like WWE, and whose whole spiel was about respectability politics, and like Lesnar, also used Guerrero's addiction to shame him. JBL: Rich, white Texan turned New Yorker, who was literally on Fox News; a ruthless capitalist who assaulted undocumented immigrants who were trying to cross the Mex-Tex border in Laredo. Also 'caused Herlinda Guerrero to faint in El Paso. Paul Heyman: Also was spewing anti-immigrant rhetoric. This was a lot more interesting and better than how WWE handled the Jinder Mahal angle last year where Mahal was painted as a bad guy for just wanting more diversity, while Randy Orton of all people was portrayed as the babyface. At least in 2004, WWE tried something different with it's main event programs and with getting Guerrero over. Obviously WWE wasn't doing it because it was the right thing or anything, but because they had picked up how much Guerrero was moving ratings and how a large portion of those people that were tuning in for Guerrero were from immigrant families or mixed-status families, where the characters of Lesnar, Angle, Heyman, and JBL, and the politics they have, were the true enemy. Eddie was over with the fans inspite of the booking and om sorry rey based o what iv seen of run he beat from pillar to post when he could have worked with the bigger guys like Punk did with jo make it about his better cadio over the bigger guy simple ir are i someone like Kali had better cardio than rey ray could have worked like measrto them matches and also at best eddie was a half-caste gory's side[ atlest gory himself[ were the us born his mother was from the Llines family while rey i think all his family from alto not baha if you know what i mean rey even calls wwe his home just saying

Karloff Lagarde id not in the WON HOF among many others form lucha who should be

my views have never been liked any were overall so parv hating them/me is nothing new and no here to ruin the art form he loves why would i ruin something i also hold dear

is there any maskes frim worker of his era debute pre 1980 who are still intact?[ not mill dos or Hito santo ] them fot are the only ones i can think of

based on what I have seen of him he is very underrated when i comes to the causal fans when yu say name a Mexican worker ot most casual the will say Eddie or rey [ you know my views on these and there nationally] also i think now his mask is the most treasured in all on Lucha i do not think i can name one form his era be began in that is still intact that are not Mil or dos [ who like Santo will never lose their masks . im also i big fan of his finish move but yes he is very underrated by most

Familial Piety is stong in young Harry i see i would do the same insult t my family and i would do the same

I'm going to regret wading into this, but isn't the desired effect of this hypothetical boycott that Sinclair's (and ROH's) speech be censored? they are willingly spreading false information and Propaganda if was on a Public network like NHK BBC or alike there would outrage PVT Companies should face the same outrage too id say the same from left wing news source i think there should a common law of fairness in the press in all forms print tv or online Anarchy is the lack state not lack of law news is there report facts should be the upto the spin doctors spin the narrative, not the 4th estate You didn't really answer, so I'll ask again, if you are truly a "a fully anti-censorship absolutist" how can you advocate for a boycott designed to shut down speech? Clearly the classification of something as a "news source" supersedes your anti-censorship principles. im also after a place where facts rule not spin asking news programs ect to report news and not spin is not censorship in my view right and left wing news sources spin the news they do not tell the news in my view News is news spin is spin is they claim to be news they should be news not opinion/spin they should be called Opinion like Op eds are opinions are free to hold but once they call themselves news is lying inaccurate and wholly dubious and best and duplicitous at worst

I'm going to regret wading into this, but isn't the desired effect of this hypothetical boycott that Sinclair's (and ROH's) speech be censored? they are willingly spreading false information and Propaganda if was on a Public network like NHK BBC or alike there would outrage PVT Companies should face the same outrage too id say the same from left wing news source i think there should a common law of fairness in the press in all forms print tv or online Anarchy is the lack state not lack of law news is there report facts should be the upto the spin doctors spin the narrative, not the 4th estate

If you're going to drop by to throw a comment like this in a thread, I think you owe it to us to be specific. Standards of grammar. Economic and political literacy levels. Everyone knows that the vast majority of boycotts don't work: http://freakonomics.com/podcast/do-boycotts-work-a-new-freakonomics-radio-podcast/ Inane and naive notions of "collective action" shouldn't be brought into things like which wrestling companies you "should" watch. For a self-described anarchist, Mr shodate seems like a moral busybody. He should pipe down and let people make their own consumer decisions. just to say im no moral busy body but left-anarchism is very collective hence why the banner is the banner used by Labour union in Catalonia parv are you a Thatcherite far right winger [ economically speaking] Left vs right to me is Economic only Here is why cuase some people are Socially Libertarian who happen to be far right winger [ economically speaking] lot of people who view the economy as rule like i do are Socially not freedom loving as can people on the right im a fully anti-censorship absolutist, for example, the only right censorship no censorship art should not be censored at all full stop not art should have age rating upon it

old school in my eyes means they debuted or at lest were active for 6-10 years before i was born

your forgot Aoki and the fact that Fujiwara is still active but good post otherwise

i use Volk as my Measuring stick to be fair to modern guys my only three above volk are people from the older era everyone has a measuring stick

no im not they were bith born in the us ie there not JCC like at all you are were your born eddie was born in texas rey in san diego, so yes there more like oscar than JCC who made Mistico a compere too someone born in mexico ocsar i wager was hero to Latin fans but you will never see him on list of top mexican boxers of all time cuase i one huge reason he was not born in mexico nor were rey and eddie and this is the same reason i will never have eddie ot rey listed as top mexican worker of all time Woooosh Wait, so Eddie and Rey aren't really Mexican because they were born in America? Ummm, Texas and California WERE Mexico for a long time, for one thing. The other thing is, "What the fuck?" Why is the "Japanese" guy suddenly an expert on the feelings of "Latin" fans? I'm not really sure what shodate's complete arguments are here, but there is some truth to what he's attempting to say in at least one aspect. A big reason why Cain Velasquez struggled really connecting with the fanbase in Mexico was because he was American born and struggled to talk Spanish. It was an ongoing joke with so many of my friends about how a Southwestern Chicano was being framed as a Mexican star by the UFC. Also it was a really forced attempt at creating a "Mexican star" that rung hollow and revealed that UFC didn't really understand these nuances. Shodate is on to something about how boxing has a better understanding on the nuances of regional Mexican vs Chicanos than wrestling and MMA. I knfow we probably saw this in the 1970s with feuds Jose Lothario was involved in but modern day wrestling you'd never see something like Juan Manuel Marquez vs Juan Diaz, where a part of the feud was someone from Mexico going up against a Houston Chicano. Not sure if the examples (Eddy, Rey, Mistico) he is using would be what I would use and don't agree with some other stuff, but there is something to what he is saying about Julio Cesar Chavez and Oscar de la Hoya and the different demographics they were heroes to. what do you disagree with id will debate you on them point too and thank for backing me up on the ocser and JCC things

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rip not saying that i, as a rule, happen to be overly familiar with his work but still press f to pay respects