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[1990-12-16-NWA Starrcade '90] Sting vs Black Scorpion (Cage)
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in December 1990
Other serious candidates who could have worked: Terry Funk The Great Muta ... ... With a delay in the ultimate reveal, and a reveal that he was the "master" behind it all and not a wrestler... ... Dusty Rhodes. -
[1990-12-16-NWA Starrcade '90] Sting vs Black Scorpion (Cage)
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in December 1990
And I went with Steamboat because: - He was theoretically available, at least if the money was right. - He would have that "holy shit" effect when unmasked. - Motivation wouldn't be particularly difficult, even with Flair as a heel again. He tried to be a family man/role model and was booed for it, and was forgotten in favor of Flair and Sting. Not saying there aren't significant drawbacks, but there are going to be significant drawbacks to just about any choice short of the Warrior himself. We don't really know how good Steamboat would have been as a heel, or how well he would draw in main events again. He has no real background with Sting as far back as '86, since he was entrenched in the WWF by then. Gilbert has his own strengths and weaknesses. He does have the legitimate Sting connection and was a good enough talker to explain his way into having this bullshit make some semblance of sense. But, he's far from an instant main-event guy. Upon unmasking he would have to take a Roddy Piper-esque manager/background role, at least for awhile. The unmasking itself would probably come as an anticlimax--we'd have to wait for a post hoc explanation later whereas Steamboat would be an instant payoff. And when it comes down to it, I don't think the "legit 1986 connection" thing is all that important. That can be bullshitted around or have an explanation of a past friendship wholly made-up. -
[1990-12-16-NWA Starrcade '90] Sting vs Black Scorpion (Cage)
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in December 1990
I'll elaborate later: Rick Steamboat. -
[1990-10-20-USWA-Memphis TV] Interview: Jerry Lawler, Bill & Jamie Dundee
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in October 1990
I was wondering where Eddie Marlin went and where Lawler came from. Jamie always looks like the scuzziest human being alive. -
Dirty White Boy & Doug Gilbert are ready to wrestle Dundee & Jarrett, but with Jarrett out they're surprised by Brickhouse Brown & Dan Davis, who pull off an upset in about 30 seconds. Dundee shitting all over Austin Idol is one particular standard of his that never gets old, though his one after Idol got Lawler's hair cut about how Idol had never been to Vegas in his life was far more epic.
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Dundee is on the phone offering to take the injured Jeff Jarrett's place teaming with Lawler at the MSC when he gets mauled by the Dirty White Boy and the Gilberts, while Eddie keeps Lawler on the line so he can listen in. Apparently Gilbert has learned the secret of the Las Vegas Leglock as he applies it to Dundee. Idol hasn't lost a step at all when it comes to working the stick, as this is an absolutely fabulous promo. Idol was a two-time NCAA Champion at Oklahoma State and WON OLYMPIC GOLD IN WRESTLING AND POWERLIFTING, and deplores Lawler's tactics in the tournament final when Idol wanted to wrestle him amateur-style. It's hard to completely overshadow Eddie Gilbert in the promo department but Idol comes through here.
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[1990-10-13-WWF-Superstars] Update: Jake Roberts update
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in October 1990
See, there's another issue that I'd prefer not to focus on but can't ignore. Martel would spray guys with the stuff constantly and it would be sold the same as salt in the eyes. This was apparently Super Turbo Arrogance Xtreme. -
[1990-10-13-WWF-Superstars] Brother Love: Ultimate Warrior
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in October 1990
Rick Martel hasn't gotten any more careful in spreading Arrogance around. Brother Love's talk about Warrior being afraid of Savage is hard to argue with. WWF Magazine tried to sell this as though Warrior felt that Savage had already had enough title shots, but as a kid who also read PWI and knew title matches were repeated all over the place, I wasn't buying that for two seconds. Savage was pretty right to be pissed about Warrior not signing a contract. Another reason why I wasn't sold at all on this guy as the Babyface of the Future. I'm probably never going to come around on Warrior's promos, but he's demonstrably improved here because he HAS SHIT TO TALK ABOUT. Savage is afraid, he's hiding behind Sherri's skirt, and here he also has Brother Love to play off of. These aren't great promos or even close, but they're clearly effective for what they are because he has an honest-to-God storyline to focus on instead of Normals and Poison, which wasn't the case with either Hogan or Rude. And it really didn't take that much. All that said, there are much better Brother Love-gets-embarrassed segments than this. As a kid I wanted to see Love get his ass kicked. Brother Love or Percy Pringle--who looks better in a dress, Loss? -
[1990-10-13-WWF-Superstars] Update: Jake Roberts update
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in October 1990
Like I said about Hansen/Vader, eye afflictions FREAK ME THE FUCK OUT. Did in 1990, and they still do, to the point where I can't watch that match. It took 17-odd years for me to muster up the courage just to put in a contact lens, and I can still start cringing if I don't get it right the first time in putting one in or taking one out. This is all to say that even in an ultrasanitized, controlled WWF environment with a set-up that probably doesn't stand up to serious scientific scrutiny, this angle has always hit me in a very real place. The ophthalmologist conveniently gives us exactly 1 week until we find out the extent of the damage. Jake manages to cut a killer promo while he's getting eyedrops and his eyes re-bandaged, while Martel offers an apology which is clearly more about Rick patting himself on the back for being such a gentleman than being genuinely sorry. Jake will get and deserve the lion's share of the credit for selling this but Martel really does come off as a self-centered douchebag. -
Takano works some quasi-shootstyle stuff to smother Tenryu at the start, but makes the mistake of going highspot happy and whiffs on a pescado to give Tenryu a run. Takano still gets a lot of the match and looks good. He's bulked up from his Cobra days so his dives are all high-impact and crunchy-looking. There are some power bomb teases at the finish, including Tenryu buggering his ankle to give Takano some hope, but eventually he gets put away. I liked this the best of the SWS matches so far and by a comfortable margin. I suspect, without seeing much of anything from the promotion until now, that SWS will never develop a legitimate native rival to Tenryu, and that's not a company with a strong long-term future. But it's clearly not a promotion without talent.
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[1990-10-10-SWS] Jeff Jarrett & Bob Orton Jr vs Genichiro Tenryu & Kabuki
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in October 1990
Orton was reported to be going back to the WWF around this time, but nothing came of it. "Jeff Jallett"--oh, dear God, that's too easy. Fun to see Jarrett in such an unusual (for him) setting. He acquits himself quite well despite a few moments of tentativeness, busting out some pretty great flying headscissors. Orton's offense is as crisp and vicious as it's ever been, and Kabuki works a long FIP segment to give the foreigners a chance to show their stuff. A very American layout all around, as Tenryu gets the hot tag and scores the pin shortly thereafter.- 8 replies
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[1990-10-08-USWA-World Title Tournament] Jerry Lawler vs Austin Idol
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in October 1990
Hey, Corey Macklin's here, too! Idol rambles on the mic beforehand about giving Lawler extra rest and wanting to wrestle scientifically. The crowd isn't impressed by this, but it's a nice set-up as Idol levels Lawler on the handshake. Lawler gets brutalized again as Idol methodically works his way through his offensive arsenal, but Lawler makes a furious comeback that might be the single best moment of this tournament. Idol manages to cut the comeback off by sending him into Jerry Calhoun, which brings out Gilbert & Funk. The triple-team backfires predictably and Lawler gets a 3-count by the skin of his teeth. Another beatdown follows as Lawler eats another stuff piledriver, and Jeff Jarrett gets beat down while he tries to make the save. There were your usual Memphis booking quirks but it's hard for a one-night tournament to have this good of a percentage of decent-to-good matches. Who knows how many of these people stick around but even with the Unified World title situation finalized, there are myriad ways for the future booking to go. Three top challengers for the gold plus six-man possibilities with a Gilbert/Funk/Idol team.- 8 replies
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[1990-10-08-USWA-World Title Tournament] Terry Funk vs Jerry Lawler
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in October 1990
PIG! PIG! PIG! DAMN YOU, PIG! All while unleashing some incredible punches. Lawler does not get in one single offensive move, but Funk levels both Frank Morrell and Paul Neighbors with piledrivers, then hits one on Lawler. Eddie Gilbert comes in and tries to count Lawler out, but Lawler keeps kicking out anyway! A spike piledriver finally puts Lawler down for a fast "3-count" (with what looks like an ignored rope break). Whether it goes in that direction or not Funk is pretty much cemented as the #1 challenger to the title once the tournament is over.- 11 replies
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[1990-10-08-USWA-World Title Tournament] Austin Idol vs Eddie Gilbert
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in October 1990
He was never great, but I think '80s Idol is a lot better than his rep--"carry job" or not, he's been in an awful lot of pretty good matches to have the all-talk-can't-work label. That said, that was the '80s and this is 1990 when he's only semi-active. But this is perfectly acceptable with a surprise finish as Sam Lowe throws the towel in when Idol applies the Las Vegas Leglock. Even if it wasn't an actual submission I'm glad to see a match end with a submission hold, and the struggle to get the Leglock untangled was a nice touch in getting the thing over as well.- 7 replies
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[1990-10-08-USWA-World Title Tournament] Terry Funk vs Dick Murdoch
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in October 1990
There has been a little too much referee abuse for one night of wrestling for my liking, but this is yet another fun match.- 9 replies
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[1990-10-08-USWA-World Title Tournament] Jerry Lawler vs Dick Slater
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in October 1990
Lawler's doing the Randy Savage different-color-schemes-in-every-round thing, which I approve of. Definitely the best match so far as it was pretty much all action with no Memphis stalling. This takes some unique turns among its false finishes. An especially clever spot sees Lawler getting in a piledriver while Frank Morrell was bumped (after Slater had attempted to piledrive him numerous times, giving the babyface some moral high ground), but Slater yells about the piledriver as he's being covered and Morrell stops the count and the match goes on. Morrell actually comes across as a real-life competent official here, "letting 'em play" while still enforcing the rules.- 7 replies
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[1990-10-08-USWA-World Title Tournament] Jeff Jarrett vs Eddie Gilbert
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in October 1990
That's absurd that they couldn't book a "first man off his feet" finish like they said they were going to do when the rules changes were introduced. And these guys could have worked a great sequence around that. This was good stuff before that and a nice change of pace from the first two matches on tape.- 7 replies
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[1990-10-08-USWA-World Title Tournament] Jerry Lawler vs Mark Callous
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in October 1990
Okay stuff. Callous unleashes some of his big moves like the leaping clothesline, while Lawler mostly stalls and sells despite working babyface. Callous levels Jerry Calhoun and they're still clinging to the technical-loss thing.- 8 replies
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[1990-10-08-USWA-World Title Tournament] Terry Funk vs Brickhouse Brown
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in October 1990
I love the setting already, with a full camera crew in the MSC along with the announcers, even if we don't really need 3 of them. Funk does the greatest oversell for getting spit in the face in history, and as a result turns this into a ringside brawl. Brown makes an okay comeback but takes one too many trips up top and Funk reverses a sunset flip into a tights-grabbing victory. Another fine Funk performance that whets the appetite for more to come.- 7 replies
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Always a brilliant idea to outright say that your talent isn't as successful as comparable talent in the other promotion.
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Tremendous moves, incredible action, great near falls. Doc shoves a newsletter in Meltzer's mouth afterward to really drive the point home for the 3% of the audience who gets it and baffle everyone else.
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Fun stuff. Ace looked as good as I've ever seen him, apart from having a noticeably shitty Ace Crusher...which is a bit of a problem, but maybe it was just a fluke. Tsuruta and Taue's comeback was maybe a bit rushed, but structurally this match was fine. Just, as mentioned, a bit odd. It could be selection bias but at this point Kobashi honestly seems to be coming across as more of the #2 man on Misawa's team than Kawada.
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[1990-08-25-WWF-Superstars] Summerslam Report w/Gene Okerlund
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in August 1990
An August WON says Martel was out with a nerve issue in his arm. -
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[1990-10-07-AJPW] Abdullah the Butcher on the tour bus
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in October 1990
I could do without seeing Stan Hansen in a pink and white t-shirt and blue short shorts. Akira Fukuzawa demonstrates the lack of height and opulent foot space of the AJPW bus. Every Abby interview in Japan is a primo demonstration of why he never talked in the U.S.