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[1990-11-21-NWA-Clash of the Champions XIII] Ric Flair vs Butch Reed
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in November 1990
The work is good and it's a fun crowd cheering the heel Horsemen, but this was overbooked as fuck from all the stips that I had trouble keeping straight to the finish. -
[1990-11-21-NWA-Clash of the Champions XIII] Sid Vicious vs The Nightstalker
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in November 1990
Also, this seems like an appropriate spot to discuss the fact that in the midst of the Clash segments on the Yearbook I fired up the legendary Sting/Scorpion face-off hosted by the Mike Wallace of pro wrestling, Paul E. Dangerously. I felt it needed to be acknowledged as it is possibly the most embarrassing, moronic segment of the year in any promotion. Sting comes out to declare that he's doing what he has to do and confront the Scorpion face to face. Scorpion does what he's been doing for months now and that's appear somewhere else in the arena. He plucks a ridiculously cooperative "fan" from his ringside seat and puts a box over his head and does an awful-looking magic trick (complete with fan blatantly holding the box in place) trying to Linda Blair him, all while Ole Anderson blithers over the PA and Paul E. blithers over that just to completely ruin whatever effect was being gone for. He carries the fan (who's feigning horror at this point so we can't chalk up his cooperation to a trance or hypnosis or whatever--the ring crew girl put on an Oscar-worthy performance by comparison) to a conveniently placed cage, puts a curtain over it, and pulls it back to reveal a leopard. Sting is either paralyzed with rage, fear, or befuddlement at this point. Sting spends about 10 seconds talking about how he's going to go after the Scorpion before actually doing it, giving Scorp time to do the same disappearing act he did at Havoc. The angle is every bit as awful as its reputation, and then some. It makes Papa Shango's shit (another guilty pleasure for me) look dignified and sophisticated. The execution was godawful on top of everything else, with Paul E. and the voiceover constantly talking over one another being one of many gaffes. This angle, the above match, the underwhelming main event, and the presence of Starblazer and Maximum Overdrive and others should make Clash XIII a runaway winner for Worst Show of the Year. -
[1990-11-21-NWA-Clash of the Champions XIII] Sid Vicious vs The Nightstalker
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in November 1990
Clarke is clean-shaven, which is a little jarring. Ox Baker is apparently gone already with little notice--Ross and Paul E. have to cover for why he's still on the chyron. Comical sequence where Sid breaks a bearhug with an ear clapper, then stands there and just allows Nightstalker to reapply it. Paul E. does his damnedest to inject a storyline into this, bringing up Sid's punctured lung as justification for the rib work. Nightstalker's strikes are as bad as Zeus' and the crowd quickly lets them know it. Big Cat strolls to ringside for no particular reason and the finish is horribly done on top of everything else. So, our Worst Match of the Year candidates (I'm thinking/hoping no other contenders emerge before the Yearbook is out): - Atlas vs. Onita - Zeus vs. Abby - Pearl vs. Cazana - Team Challenge Battle Royal - This I would also include Aoyagi vs. Go from Pioneer but I'll accept the appreciation that others have for it and chalk it up to personal distaste only instead of objective badness. The ICW and WWC matches had true what-the-fuck atmospheres about them, plus the ICW bout was preceded by the best of the solo Atlas promos. Puerto Rico had Abby getting monkey flipped by Zeus. The Battle Royal was awful on almost every level but the 30-second entrances were enough to keep us short attention-span people somewhat occupied. This was hideous...but shorter than Pearl/Cazana. Also, Sid threw a really nice back suplex. Pearl/Cazana takes it for me. Negative crowd reaction is better than no crowd reaction, plus the thing was dragged out to the point where it felt longer than watching an Ironman Match. The difference between Stalker/Sid and it is the difference between Plan 9 from Outer Space and the cinematic ouevre of Coleman Francis. -
Billy Beane is a mere scout at this point, and Wallstreet and York have already incorporated his Moneyball techniques into the world of pro wrestling. I can certainly get behind a sabermetrician gimmick. The York Foundation was always one of my favorite guilty pleasure gimmicks. I'm heartened to read that they were a mid-card highlight throughout some dismal times in 1991 and look forward to seeing the hard evidence.
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[1990-11-19-UWF-TV] Steve Williams vs Paul Orndorff feud recap
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in November 1990
Doc jumps Orndorff after a squash and we get some good post-match, back-and-forth action. We get the quasi-infamous moment where the referee no-sells Doc's chairshots and then clings to his leg like a tantrum-throwing infant, which in some ways kind of adds to the mayhem. We get the confrontation we saw earlier, with a locker room interview from Orndorff that gets interrupted by a short, heated brawl with Doc. Doc rambles to Lou Albano, warning people not to turn their backs on him but he only comes from the front. A bloody, out-of-it Orndorff is badgered for comment by Abrams and compares Doc to Hussein and kind of sort of makes sense doing it. Clearly the UWF peak. Orndorff is pretty much awesome on all levels here.- 7 replies
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Were they seriously going to bring Studd in at this point? Andre makes his point by tearing apart a John Studd LJN figure. I'd like to see him do that to the Bundy figure. This is all pretty cute, actually. The Great Orton is in the Golden Greek's stable! I can just see someone scouting these promos in Titan Tower while trying to come up with a replacement for Heenan. "Stop drilling, we've hit oil!"
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[1990-11-17-USWA-Nashville, TN] Eddie Gilbert vs Jeff Jarrett (Texas Death)
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in November 1990
A clever screwjob finish really, really badly executed by Morrell, but everything else was golden. Jarrett working as an awesome aggressive babyface brutalizing Eddie Gilbert's knee, and Doug refusing Eddie's request to wave the flag because...hey, it's not his knee getting destroyed. Gilbert's work on top is pretty good, too. Morrell DID make every effort to get the chair away from Jarrett even as he was using it, so he was at least attempting to enforce the rules even in an apparent no-DQ setting. It also establishes that Morrell needs to be in the ring to get bumped.- 8 replies
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Recommendations for 20 Crockett TV matches to watch
PeteF3 replied to JerryvonKramer's topic in Pro Wrestling
There's a good-length Sarge vs. Wahoo match from the studio in 1982. -
I would assume the Superdome was capable of being set up as more or less "arena"-sized--the Silverdome was for house shows and for Pistons basketball. It still was a worse option than the 10,000-seat Lakefront Arena or the 7,000-seat Municipal Auditorium if they insisted on running New Orleans. On top of the advertising, running a dome killed what meager demand for tickets there was because of over-supply.
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As I understand it, Scott thought giving Flair/Steamboat away on free TV would be detrimental to house show business. As a result, the 900 tickets sold was less about an advertising fuckup and more like deliberate sabotage to order to underplay the match as much as possible.
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Dave was always down on Jumbo, it seemed. All his great matches were either due to his opponent or the exception because Jumbo would take the night off if the card wasn't televised. Obviously most of us don't agree with either statement, but that was a lot of the prevailing opinion at the time, including Dave's wrestler sources. I have no clue what was up with the Stan Hansen ranking, unless Dave simply thought he was at the end of the line. I didn't see any indication that was the case just looking at his '89 work and hindsight sure doesn't support it. Re: George Scott's "rules." A lot of these were throwbacks to his days running Mid-Atlantic in the 1970's. From what I understand Scott was a major stickler for details much the same way Bill Watts was. That extended not only to how matches would be worked, but quality-control stuff: wrestlers were not to appear in ring gear if they weren't scheduled to wrestle, wrestlers had to change clothes between appearances if they were taping multiple weeks of television/multiple shows in one shot, etc. Mid-Atlantic house shows were all built around the main event or MAYBE a semi-main too, with the rest being undercard/mid-card matches. No question as to what "drew" or issues with depth--meaningless or otherwise--here. Cards built from prelim vs. prelim matches to the lower-mid-card stuff, which was "before intermission." None of those were even mentioned on television in advance. Then came the upper-carders and main event. And it's the stuff "before intermission" that had the most restrictions. The thinking was that if Abe Jacobs and Larry Sharpe are working the mic, brawling on the floor, or posting each other in the opener, then what's the main event going to do? The early matches were meant to be wrestled mostly cleanly so that the rules could be established and followed to increase the heat when the upper-carders broke them later. That said, wrestling had sort of moved on in the interim and particularly for a show like a Clash or a PPV the shows can't be structured the same way at all. You have main eventers and matches that mean more than others, but ideally a majority of matches on a Clash or PPV should be "special" in some way. In some ways I appreciate Scott's efforts to throw things back the way Watts also would attempt to do, but in others it really shows that Scott was out-of-touch with how a wrestling company in 1989 needed to be run. Just as much as with the disastrous advertising job that almost ruined this show.
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[1990-11-17-NWA-World Championship Wrestling] Interview: Teddy Long
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in November 1990
There's at least some comic potential in Teddy Long as a chauffeur. -
[1990-11-17-USWA-Memphis TV] Interview: Eddie Gilbert
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in November 1990
Gilbert hypes a Hospital Elimination Match for Monday--Lawler/Dundee/Jarrett vs. the Gilberts and BLACK MAGIC. Not Norman Smiley, presumably. Even his presence doesn't detract from another outstanding Gilbert promo. -
[1990-11-17-USWA-Memphis TV] Jerry Lawler vs Eddie Gilbert (Barbed Wire)
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in November 1990
How the fuck does a lights-out barbed wire match end in a DQ?? I'd have been royally pissed if I'd paid money to see a 1:38 main event like that. That the post-match beatdown goes about twice as long is of little consolation. -
[1990-11-17-USWA-Memphis TV] Interview: Eddie Gilbert
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in November 1990
I guess that's the open-door policy for you. No company champion is Terry Funk. I'd have liked them to namedrop Jumbo Tsuruta or El Hijo del Santo, just to keep up with the pretense of a Unified "World" title. -
[1990-11-17-WWF-Superstars] Survivor Series Report w/Gene Okerlund
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in November 1990
I thought the Grand Finale was a way cool method to climax the show, but it's gotten very little hype so far--probably because you can't really hype a match where you don't know the participants. I wish WWF Magazine had produced scorecards for the Royal Rumble. I'd have been all over that shit. -
[1990-11-17-WWF-Superstars] Brother Love: Ultimate Warriors
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in November 1990
All four babyfaces get mic time, and Warrior pays lip service to the Grand Finale as well--and to the egg. -
[1990-11-17-WWF-Superstars] Ultimate Warrior and Neon Lightning
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in November 1990
Brilliant timing to trot this out two months before taking the belt off the guy. I don't think the Warrior ever wore that gear anywhere but in this intro. -
I could watch this all night, pretty much. Moreno was the standout performance, other than Aja's. A 10-man makes the joshi go-go-go style much more palatable because you expect that kind of pace in any 10-man, whether it involves joshi workers or WWF fatties and muscleheads. But this had some structure to it, with a very well-done FIP segment on Maeda and some great big vs. little stuff when Moreno is trapped in the ring with Aja Kong. The heels go down 4-on-2 and that's when they get desperate, with the eliminated women interfering and...yes, Aja using the trash can. I was actually fine with that, because she wrestled on the level until the numbers were against her. The double-eliminations and disregard for tagging in the closing stretch is I guess one of those things I'll have to get used to, but it did make for a cool closing stretch with Aja splashing both Honey Wings for the double pin. The trash can usage didn't bother me, but I have to say Manami Toyota interfering at the end did. No matter--I agree that this is the joshi MOTYC and possibly a top 10 or so candidate for the overall list. This could easily have gone twice the length. As an irrelevant aside, Madusa didn't look out of place at all here, but with that hairstyle and the quasi-street-clothes attire, she looked like a psychotic Susan Ross, having finally snapped and beating the shit out of Kramer or Elaine for one too many societal transgressions.
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[1990-11-16-NWA-Power Hour] Paul E. Dangerously vignette
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in November 1990
You're forgetting his legendary tag run with Big Cat Hughes. The Madman is another part of Jim Herd's quest to find talent that's as young and cheap as possible. -
[1990-11-16-NWA-Power Hour] Interview: Paul E. Dangerously
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in November 1990
A hard-sell for what the Black Scorpion is going to do at the Clash. Could anyone have seen anything good to come from this?