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	Champion is giving this as much as he can, I'll give him that. The dude was legitimately talented as a wrestler and a talker. Not saying this interview is any GOOD, or anything better than cringe-inducing. But Champion is a guy who should have gone farther than he did.
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				[1990-08-11-WWF-Superstars] Brother Love: Ultimate Warrior
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They are now attempting to make the Warrior into a full-blown cult leader, assimilating Little Warriors like common Borg. Yeah, this'll turn things around. - 
	Duggan and Volkoff are very happy and thankful. Sarge cuts another on-location promo, but apparently this time it's on a satellite hook-up with Vince in the booth. Boy Scouts are little pukes! Slaughter will declare war at SummerSlam. Slaughter will be interviewed by a Real American at SummerSlam: Brother Love!
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				[1990-08-05-WWF-Wrestling Challenge] Interview: Dusty Rhodes
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in August 1990
Sapphire has an expensive bracelet and necklace, and now a cruise around the world. Sapphire loves whoever is sending these...and so does Dusty?? Jesus, what a chump. Dusty says that in Austin, Texas they didn't have no kings and queens--who was it that he wined and dined with, then? Dusty promises to get SATISFACTION at the Macho King's expense at SummerSlam. I really have to express again what an endless fucking feud this was. I was absolutely beyond insulted that the WWF would have the nerve to expect us to pay money for a PPV that featured Sapphire vs. Sherri in a singles match. - 
	Jeannie has more pictures of Chris, including what's definitely a picture of Sunshine (acknowledged by name) and what appears to be one with Baby Doll. And one with a piece of paper taped over his naughty bits. Toni goes after them but is quickly overpowered by Percy and hit in the bad ribs again by Jeannie ("You bitch!") before Chris breaks things up, and getting some licks in on Austin. Jeannie, Percy, and Austin are out again with a report from a private detective they've hired--he followed Chris to a fancy restaurant where he's meeting up with an attractive female with his wedding ring off. Jeannie is at her absolute best here. This seems to be quite the smoking gun, or so Toni believes. Adams yells at her for "falling for this set-up." Um, Chris, she's blowing in your ear and kissing you. Toni slaps Chris and storms off! Clips from Toni vs. Jeannie, Austin & Chris barred from ringside. Percy Pringle isn't, though, and waddles in for the DQ. Toni gets in some offense, including tearing off Jeannie's sports bra, but gets overwhelmed until Chris Von Erich makes the save. THAT brings out Austin who whales away on Chris--"An obvious mismatch" as Joe Pedicino candidly points out. NOW Chris Adams finally comes out, but too late to save Chris from an Austin/Pringle spike piledriver. Percy has a great look on his face as he tears a Chris & Toni picture in half. Austin references what's either the come-as-you-are street fight we saw or another one where Austin wore his football gear. Jeannie is getting better and better on the stick, giving a fabulously gloat-heavy promo. Percy cuts another scathing promo on Chris Von Erich, and he cracks me up with an obvious but still inspired gag by producing Chris' "first publicity photo"--a midget shot of the "Modern Day Smurf." Von Erich takes out Percy but yet another babyface makes a run-in into a war zone. The Other Chris quickly makes the save and it's a crazy scene at ringside. It's supposed to be Austin, Pringle, & Jeannie vs. Chris, Chris, & Toni on Friday night--but they tease that Toni won't be there. Chris and Chris make nice with each other and Adams screams that Jeannie is GOOFY! GOOFY! YOU'RE GOOFY! Von Erich makes nasty faces...sigh. He really, really tried. This is getting better and better, though Adams has always come off as a bit of a hotheaded dumbass throughout and his accusing Toni of more or less being stupid isn't doing him any favors either.
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				[1990-08-04-NWA-World Championship Wrestling] The Pearl vs Joe Cazana
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in August 1990
ORIGIN UNKNOWN: THE MYSTERIOUS PEARL. I'm trying to dispense with the sarcastic all-caps, but sometimes it's hard. Caudle trenchantly points out that he "must be an Oriental." White gloves + black and white mask + martial arts pose = Asian? Pearl runs through the throat slash, the handspring elbow, the power elbow drop, and the moonsault all spaced out over a squash that feels about 8 hours long. Did even the densest mark really buy that this was Muta? - 
	
	
				[1990-08-04-USWA-Memphis TV] Eddie Gilbert vs Bill Dundee
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in August 1990
A NUMBER TWO CONTENDERS' match. Is Snowman still even around? This is perfectly workmanlike and nothing actively bad at all, but it seems like its spinning its wheels until the inevitable run-in finish. It's DWB, but the 2-on-1 is quickly broken up by Lawler...until BUNDY THE GORILLA attacks from ringside. I approve of any rehashes of legendary Bill Watts angles. Bundy unmasks to reveal John Tatum, miraculously recovered from his horrifying, crippling neck injury. This stuff normally doesn't concern me, but I'm glad Loss brought up all the baseball bat shots. One shot of a bat--especially an aluminum one--will fuck you up, big time. I guess I'm selfishly more concerned about bat shots not meaning anything than influencing kids, but that's a legit problem as well. Even Sting tended not to swing it at people--most of the time he just threatened guys with it and that was enough. Gilbert and Tatum gloat over at the desk. Nobody makes a monkey out of John Tatum! We then get taken backstage to see the real Bundy the Gorilla gagged and tied up backstage. Great little attention to detail.- 10 replies
 
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				[1990-08-29-USWA-Evansville TV] Interview: Eddie Gilbert & Dirty White Boy
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in August 1990
Gilbert's brilliant planning could save Kuwait! Great stuff from all THREE people--yes, Kimberly actually delivers a genuinely good promo. Gilbert begs her to strip Tessa naked. The promise of female nudity is getting way more play than the stretcher match. - 
	The PHOTOGRAPHER who had his camera taken by Gilbert has turned heel and cost Lawler & Dundee the match at the MSC. Glorious--I'd have paid honest to God cash to see this angle run with Bill Apter somewhere. This sets up a stretcher match for this Monday. In addition, Tessa meets the Dirty White Girl in an 8-years-before-its-time first-to-get-their-dress-ripped-off-loses match. Tessa sends in a taped promo. Eddie Marlin has banned her from the studio on account of her promising to strip the Dirty White Girl the next time she sees her.
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	Brody's Winnipeg promo where he dances a jig to impersonate Greg Gagne >> any Sid promo, whether ironically or unironically enjoyed.
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	I'm definitely more towards Loss' views on this subject. My wrestling viewing now more or less consists of the '80s sets, stuff specifically pimped out/recommended to view on Youtube or DailyMotion, and now the yearbooks. In other words, stuff that was specifically noted by somebody after the fact as, "This is something you should watch." That pretty much requires you to go into everything with an open mind. A top 150 AWA '80s match involving Big John Studd? Jimmy Valiant working in 1990? 5-10 years ago I'd groan and FF but now I have to go in thinking, "Let's see why other people thought this was important to see." Obviously I have some preferences over others when it comes to wrestlers. But my Fav Five thread would change every other week and included guys who could hardly be considered "favorites"--just the guys like Angel Azteca I was most interested in seeing more of. My musical interests are nothing whatsoever like this. There are acts where I will absolutely swallow up every ounce of output I can get. Don't ask me to explain this.
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	No anger. That post deserved a smiley of its own.
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	So's DiBiase's career. Who the fuck cares how the state of kayfabe in 2012 relates to DiBiase? We can discuss that in the "John Cena: Brawler or Technician" thread.
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	"A running team" in football used to be the old three-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust, grind-it-out, Woody Hayes offense--passing only when necessary. Now, particularly in the NFL, you're a "running team" if you rush on 50% of your plays. These things can happen. This is a performance art not a sport. Is this sort of how Nickelback became metal or something? My view is in that in pro wrestling perception is reality. DiBiase in kayfabe terms was a technician--so that's what he is.
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	"A running team" in football used to be the old three-yards-and-a-cloud-of-dust, grind-it-out, Woody Hayes offense--passing only when necessary. Now, particularly in the NFL, you're a "running team" if you rush on 50% of your plays. These things can happen.
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	The Puerto Rico match sounds interesting, but I thought Perez was a gigantic pile of shit in both World Class and Mid-South and other than that Abby match I have no desire to watch him again. He has a match with Tito on Prime Time that I thought was okay.
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	1. Jerry Lawler - Even though I used to think he was the greatest ever at being either a heel or babyface I'm now convinced well into the 1990 set that he was better as a babyface, and oddly better as a babyface champion than heel champion which is pretty backwards. That said, Lawler's high-end stuff is more versatile than he gets credit for and as the Snowman feud indicates the dude is full of surprises. Not everything hits (I really didn't like that Fujinami match at all) but you're always at least glad you saw it. 2. Terry Funk - See above, but more versatile. Would be a #1 GOAT if I had to do a ballot right now. 3. Steve Veidor - Really one of the all-time great babyfaces--sadly I don't think a ton more footage is going to turn up of him that isn't out there already, unless someone digs out the Inoki match that I think he had or that damned missing third fall from his match with Pete Roberts. Veidor vs. Gwyn Davies is still my favorite WOS match (or at least my favorite complete one) and it's about as epic as the style ever got. His matches that exist never fail to be less than awesome when he's not albatrossed by Haystacks and Daddy. 4. Stan Hansen - Not really a pick that I feel the need to explain. My plowing through of the All-Japan seasons died out at the beginning of '93, so what I really want to see are the last vestiges of Hansen as the aging, respected veteran. 5. Angel Azteca - Because I'd never heard of the guy before starting the 1990 yearbook and he's had a MOTYC that some people are calling a GOAT candidate and looked really awesome in the trios matches, too.
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	I mute or DVR-FF ads at almost every opportunity nowadays. But when I got my SNME set, I was positively giddy when a particular show still had the commercials.
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	I'm about the only guy online who still likes Dory, it seems. Even on Classics he's invariably the top guy mentioned in a "Most Overrated" thread. I thought Dory was the MVP of the '75 Open League, which is not a small feat considering that was a tournament that included Baba, Jumbo, Destroyer, Harley, Murdoch, and Horst Hoffman--not to mention Dusty and Abby. Dory/Horst is a MOTYC, Dory/Jumbo looks great even though we only have the last 10 minutes of a 30-minute draw, and he even has a fun match beating the shit out of Abdullah the Butcher and actually showing some fire. It's sort of damning with faint praise but that tournament also had the best Baron Von Raschke match ever.
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	I guess I see Sheamus, Sarge, and Gordy as "power wrestlers." At some point suplexes and backbreakers went from being finishers to being "regular" moves and thus the technician/power-wrestler divide got blurrier. I don't think having a submission finish in and of itself is de facto proof of a technical wrestler. Sheamus' big thing is kicking people's heads off more than the Cloverleaf. Gordy was about picking you up and throwing you down again as much as it was the Asian Spike. Sarge at least had the kayfabe Marine training but was still about knocking people around than taking it to the mat. Valentine? I don't see any issue calling him a "technician" at all. Not only did he have the figure 4 but MOST of his matches were about methodically setting the opponent up for it, Anderson-style. That's an indication of a true technical wrestler. Piper doesn't even come close--his background (kayfabe, at least) was boxing and he was all about how he grew up as a guy literally fighting his way up from the streets. That more than counteracts the fact that he had a sleeper--and earlier, a swinging neckbreaker--as a finisher. Savage and Shawn are high-fliers--hit and run guys. I can't think of either guy using a submission at all outside of maybe slapping the figure four onto Ric Flair. DiBiase's "technician" status is probably a triumph of hype and marketing and gimmickry over actual ability, but I guess he passes the Potter Stewart "know it when I see it" test with me. On top of just having big moves, "smoothness" is an indication of technical ability in a pro wrestling sense and DiBiase certainly had that. He had a sweet powerslam that looked like he was leveraging his opponent over than doing a Steve Williams/Davey Boy-style show of strength, and he still had a submission finish pre-MDM (the figure four--the "official" finisher which still applies even if most name opponents were finished by a glove to the head).
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	Hype for SummerSlam: 2/3 falls, only 2 members of Demolition at ringside. Then they move on to daring the Legion of Doom to come jump them. They then decide to dedicate their tag title victory to Brother Love, "their good friend," for some reason.
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	PEACE IS FOR PANSIES. SGT. SLAUGHTER IS DECLARING WAR ON PEACE AND ON YOU, VOLKOFF. I know Steve Beverly absolutely flipped his lid at the closing shot of Slaughter pointing an assault rifle at the camera, basically threatening to shoot any fan who supported peace or Volkoff. It's doubly disturbing now. Ventura says he completely agrees with Slaughter's stance which is also pretty crazy when heard with 2012 ears. This is actually a pretty hilarious combination of a classy ceremony with the most un-PC wrestling promos seen in the WWF in years. Ventura invokes noted political stalwart Andrew Dice Clay and says that if Volkoff can't speak the Pledge of Allegiance he should get out. I'm going to miss Jesse on this yearbook.
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	This was pretty good. Onita gets fucked up early with several explosions and eats most of them throughout the match, which only exacerbates the effect when Goto gets whipped full-on and tangled into the ropes. Onita's fired-up facials as he's trying to fight out of the figure four really sell this as much as the gimmickry. The fucker still won't go down until Onita basically just DDTs and power bombs him into oblivion. What fucking kills this for me is the overdubbed commentary. I know FMW has long had an issue with its golf-style announcing but it's still not any easier to take.
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	In a way I now wish I hadn't listened to the USWA-TX/Global podcast because that spoiled the Lawler babyface turn. This is a really fun match nonetheless with some great stooging from Young and even Falcone was perfectly okay. Awesome finish as the heels use a riding crop on both Lawler and Jarrett, but Lawler retaliates by pulling out his trusty chain as well as a SECOND chain to give to Jarrett. Spectacular. Unfortunately Tony Falk only sees the chain and not the riding crop, leading to a DQ win for Devastation, Inc. and a piledriver on the referee. Like Loss I wonder if that's going to be a factor in this "deal with the Devil" that Johnson and Pedicino were hyping.
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				[1990-08-03-CWA] Dave Finlay & Marty Jones vs Mile Zrno & Franz Schumann
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in August 1990
Zrno is in the short trunks, Schumann in the tights. This will be fun as it's my first chance to see Marty Jones as a heel. This crowd is absolutely jacked for Zrno, chanting "MI-LE" non-stop every time he's in the ring. Schumann isn't really that good and is basically just a big musclehead but his reversal of the Hart Attack where he gets Finlay to clothesline his own partner is absolutely fucking brilliant and gets a huge reaction. The third fall takes a really unexpected detour when Schumann gets busted open and Finlay & Jones go from rather routine heels to being particularly vicious in going after the cut. Schumann ducks a flying attack by Jones and he and Finlay both tumble to the floor for the countout. This is a tag title change that the crowd pops huge for and is treated as a Big Deal. Fun match. If not the most Southern tag match in continental European history it's not far off.