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This promotion still isn't unredeemable. Right now, the Fingerpoke of Doom is a bad setback, not a failure. That will come in a couple of months.
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Goldberg means business--he'll never make the mistake of trusting Kevin Nash again.
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[1999-01-11-WCW-Nitro] Hulk Hogan and Kevin Nash vignette
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in January 1999
I really didn't *want* to like this, but Nash's "back and to the left--back and to the left..." legitimately cracked me up. Nash reveals that the CAT scans are negative and the internal bleeding from last week has stopped, but he still can't raise his left arm. This is a total 1996-style skit which is just another indication of what a step backwards last week was, but on its own it's pretty funny.- 5 replies
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Okay, *this* is a better example of Old Guard vs. New, even if it still makes no sense that suddenly Rey is totally committed to the LWO. This gets a lot of heat, both Rey's teased comeback and the attack on Konnan. Pedantic but still annoying point: YOU CAN'T HOLD A GUY WHO'S BEING TASED. The human body is a conductor--Luger should be getting shocked, too. Good segment in a vacuum but it ages badly because of course none of this leads anywhere.
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We begin with Raven and Sandman discussing Wittgenstein over a game of backgammon. Loss' comments about the commercialized video-camera usage rings true here as well. WCW is operating in a weird sort of in-between where the individual shots are still framed documentary-style but with a multi-camera set-up. The result doesn't really feel authentic but is too low-rent to be TV or commercial-quality like the Lucha Underground skits. No, I don't want to see Raven vs. Piper specifically either, but it'd almost be worth it to see *one* angle involving one of the Old Guard deigning to interact with a younger performer.
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[1999-01-11-WCW-Nitro] Chavo Guerrero Jr and Norman Smiley
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in January 1999
Crowd is into the idea of singing for Pepe. Goofy and silly, but at least Smiley and Chavo are committed, which makes this work for what it is.- 5 replies
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I guess Bischoff namedropping Jim Herd would have flown over viewers' heads. Bischoff's chemistry with Klondike Bill is the highlight. The start of several weeks of Bischoff outsmarting Flair for every menial job he's given.
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[1999-01-11-WCW-Nitro] Ric Flair, J.J. Dillon and the LWO
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in January 1999
Flair sets the tone by kissing up to Knoxville--good time to do it with Tennessee winning the national title and the Lady Vols at their...Summit, so to speak. He locks Hogan into a contract until 2001, reinstates JJ Dillon (yay), and Dillon announces that Scott Hall's stun gun will be suspended above the ring in a ladder match between Hall and Goldberg. Flair does more to put over the LWO than any of the announcers have since their inception, then asks them to disband for their own protection. I guess since Eddy's gone and their original raison d'etre is out the window with Bischoff out of power, the concept really is superfluous now. I'd pay money to see a series of skits of Flair and Juvy in Tijuana. Not a bad way to kill a lame-duck gimmick off while, Thunder notwithstanding, letting these guys keep their dignity. Of course Rey's reluctance makes zero sense. Chill-inducing video to close things out, that really feels like a labor of love on the part of somebody.- 4 replies
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[1999-01-10-ECW-Guilty As Charged] Shane Douglas vs Taz
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in January 1999
Telling stories, baby! Who the fuck wants to watch two guys fighting to determine who's better when we can have RUN-INS! And BOOKING! And SWERVES! And all kinds of stuff to focus on what a creative genius the guy in the back is rather than what great athletes the guys in the ring are! Sabu runs in, and while his new music is cool, why is it playing all this time when we already have a guy on the roster whose gimmick is that his music plays during his matches? Taz gets the worst of it and Douglas goes for the cover. Styles: "This one is over!" Well, that's proof that it isn't--yet another possibly genuinely dramatic false finish, killed by the World's Greatest Announcer. Then Douglas gets up and makes the Triple Threat sign in a spot that no one gets. Styles: "The Triple Threat is no more!" Then Sunny is in. Then Candido is in. Then we get a not-really-a-catfight. Styles: "Candido is here to save Douglas' title!" THUS RUINING THE SURPRISE WHEN CANDIDO TURNS ON HIM. Good Lord, how can a guy like Paul E. who proclaims that he doesn't insult his fans' intelligence continue to think that we're not going to figure this pattern OUT after five goddamn years? And why all the shock when you JUST SAID the Triple Threat was no more before Candido even showed up? Did you get your pre-written talking points mixed up, Joey? Taz wins the ECW title for the first time and it's a complete afterthought. ECW's most evil, nastiest heel goes down heroically in refusing to tap, passing out instead. What a big pile of shit.- 5 replies
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Pretty terrible. Dig how Dreamer is clearly thrown to the floor with the ladder around his neck, we clearly see Credible pull a second ladder out from under the ring, and then Dreamer comes back into the ring with the ladder again and Styles says with amazement, "Dreamer must have pulled a second ladder from underneath the ring!" Open your goddamn eyes, Joey--where was his voice-in-the-head Paul E. while that shit was going on? Dreamer is the first to climb the ladder and grab the Singapore cane, and just to get the stips over, he turns around to Credible and...dives off with a DDT. And drops the cane. I guess when you have a stip as dumb as "use the big giant metal ladder to build to grabbing the wooden stick," you may as well ignore it. Dreamer tries and fails to tie up Credible in the ropes to sink this match deeper into farce, but Funk shows up and whacks him with a trash can and That's Incredible gets Aldo the win. Not only does the ridiculous Credible push continue, we are also continuing to beat to death the lame and predictable "Dreamer can't bring himself to hit Funk" story. Which is a story that's been told more times than the one of Terry Funk and his jackass. All this does is make Dreamer look like an even bigger imbecile than he normally is. I'll break from everyone else on one aspect in that I don't mind using Funk as a heel--in theory. The problem is, I suspect they'll drag this out and in Paul E. fashion not even get to the blow-off before Funk shows back up in WCW--and in any case, Dreamer needs to stand up and put a beatdown on Funk *fast.*
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D-Von recites his 3-year-old "Thou shalt not fuck with the Dudleys" spiel, and Bubba Ray declares that they have to beat the Public Enemy to be the greatest tag team in ECW history. Yes, using a PPV to set up a regional house show reeks of 1990 WCW's obsession with the Omni. That said, if Rocco and Grunge are strictly cannon fodder I'm okay with this as a one-off.
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Funk cuts a more hardcore version of his old jackass spiel--instead of shooting an animal that's broken its leg, Dory, Sr. slits its throat because it kicked him. Funk compares this to Dreamer picking Jake Roberts over him as his mystery partner. Hard not to see the motivation for Funk. Terry Funk vs. Jake Roberts is one of those quasi-dream matches that apparently never happened. They never really crossed paths and wrestlingdata doesn't come up with any results.
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[1999-01-10-ECW-Guilty As Charged] Paul E. Dangerously promo
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in January 1999
ANGRY WRESTLING VOICE. It's going to take some doing to make up for Masato Tanaka being out, Paulie.- 4 replies
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Oh, this was great, and the new running #1 MOTY--at first I thought I was looking at an effective heel showcase, but then the babyfaces, after not being all that interesting for the first half of this, run off an incredible series of comebacks and near-falls that have me and the crowd biting on a lot of them, even though I figured simply from the lineup that there was no way Crazy Max was doing the job. The run of near-falls lasts just long enough and again, the match ends pretty much when it should. That said, while everyone plays their part, Shiima is by far the biggest star of the bunch and is really the one holding everything together. Not only does he have the most panache and starpower and best execution of the 6, he's good at a lot of little things, like casually sneaking in a quick kick to Yakushiji's groin as he's down on the mat. And he was the best seller--he was the precise reason we were biting on all those near-falls even though the babyfaces were tremendous underdogs, because of how he sold how much danger he was in. Awesome stuff that has me pumped to see more of Crazy Max in general but CIMA specifically.
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[1999-01-09-WCW-Saturday Night] Fit Finlay & Dave Taylor vs Disorderly Conduct
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in January 1999
It's not explained, but I'm guessing Disorderly Conduct got here with a convincing win over the Texas Hangmen, possibly in Rio. Call it a hunch. Great extended squash as Taylor and Finlay just brutalize these two guys at will, with both submissions and big bombs. Mean Mike and Tough Tom are professionals all the way and I loved how they were able to keep their jobs for so long because they provided 2 tag teams for the price of 1.- 7 replies
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Well, I think Stevie Wonder could have seen that opening angle coming. Lawler doesn't cover himself in glory standing in the ring picking his nose while Christopher and Stasiak are at the desk. Pretty perfunctory match, with an angle where Lawler is suckered into brawling into the back and locked in a shark cage. As we go to commercial, Christopher asks Stasiak if he remembers Lawler saying that Stacy was HOME ALONE. Christopher's Kevin McAllister face is kind of amusing, but we're kind of beating this home-invasion stuff to death. Buddy Wayne and Harvey Wippleman attempt to break the lock...you know, it's not that hard to find big bolt-cutters for a lock like that. There has to be an Ace Hardware store that's at least as close to WMC as Lawler's house. Stasiak's in the car and teases cutting Stacy's hair. Stacy, being a rare wrestling babyface with an IQ above her shoe size, tells Stasiak when he arrives that she's been watching him blow his big plan and naturally won't let him in the house. Stasiak tries to force his way in by keying her new car, but as soon as he grabs Stacy, the police show up and Sean bails. Maybe you shouldn't broadcast your plans to the nearest camera, guys. There's no question who Lawler and the PPW brass were drawing influence from with this kind of show-long, sportz entertainment angle. It's more logical than a lot of Russo's recent on-location stuff, but still a little much.
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Should we take bets on whether the Walkman and Watchman survive the end of the show or not?
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[1999-01-08-GAEA] Chikayo Nagashima vs Meiko Satomura
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in January 1999
Second-best match of the week, for sure. Really, really intense matwork that was fast-paced but never overwhelming, with both women staying true to their strengths and "wrestling within themselves" to borrow a sports cliche. And only a few 2.9s, with the finish coming precisely when it should. Yes, that armbar as Nagashima is in the fireman's carry is fantastic, probably a sleeper pick for 1999's Best Wrestling Maneuver Award. -
Trivia question: what was the first match in Raw history? Yoko vs. Koko.
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And the idea of banishing the Rock 'n Rolls and Roadies was pretty effectively shut down by the panelists.
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LOD were suspended (or at least Hawk was) around the same time as the title change--I would say that was part of it, but they were there at WM8 to do an interview anyway, so who knows.
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[1993-11-10-WCW-Clash of the Champions XXV] Ric Flair vs Vader
PeteF3 replied to Loss's topic in November 1993
The stabbing had already happened, and Arn would be out of action until the very tail end of the year. Roma was already scheduled to be turning heel at this point (Arn was his original Starrcade opponent), and was sort of in limbo with his next feud opponent on the shelf. Though I think at the Disney tapings he was already teaming with Orndorff.- 11 replies
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This angle started with some promise, but it's getting sunk by the overacting and verbal diarrhea of Raven's relatives. Sandman shows up in casual wear and glasses and we get an incredibly feeble Seinfeld reference before the big pool bump. This isn't going anywhere, it's just throwing random characters at the screen that we have no reason to care about.
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With Eddy out, I guess it's time to kill off the LWO. A mercy killing. Rey is allowed to leave without a beatdown, which I believe was supposed to lead to him being courted by the group. Hogan looks like he's dressing as Mick Foley for Halloween. After such fire shown by Flair earlier it's disheartening to see Nash and Hogan half-ass their way through this. Even the ironic "match of the year" discussion that's *supposed* to be insincere doesn't sound like they have their heart in it. Compare and contrast to the panache of DX doing multiple similar bits in late '97. I mean, Hogan sounds comatose. Giant and the B-teamers come out for a less-than-thrilling confrontation. Yes, this was the perfect time to cull the fat from the NWO and they don't do it. Hogan accuses Giant of DROPPING THE BALL--what year are we in again? Giant is playing out the string but somehow brings more fire to this than anyone in the Wolfpack.