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Smart business strategy... sucking up to the new TV execs.

Are you being facetious?

I despise these 70 page threads. If you haven't noticed, I have actively been trying to get members to create new threads. Why is it such a big deal for you? Create a new thread.

WRONG! The purpose of the thread is to quote RE material to entertain me since he will not be coming out with any new material.

OK, so I went and re-read the thread and the term "self-conscious epic" is stupid. Wrestlers have always been told to go long / broadway/ whatever. The ideal should be to give the fans their money's worth. It seems to me that this idea of a SCE is an excuse to slag styles of wrestling or wrestlers we don't like whether it is MITB or Edwards-Richards or Misawa-Kobashi or Flair-Windham.

I disagree. Create a new thread next year. If people want to read the old threads, they can use the search function or link to it in the new thread.

You become a friend of Dave's.. or apparently a current voter vouches for you.

One of the scummiest moments in wrestling history. Everyone who bought this set needs to watch this ASAP!

There is nothing wrong with creating new threads.

I'll be the parent who smacks the kid in the grocery store when they want to climb the top shelf to reach that box of fruit loops.

Let it go. I'll monitor this thread. This is my baby.

I don't really understand what you are getting at.

Loss, we all agree that wrestling is better when you can see feuds build, see characters develop and have exciting payoffs ( like the MITB match). I think where the WWE guys deserve a lot of credit is that despite the limitations and obstacles that the wrestlers face, they are still able to go out and deliver great matches within the suffocating corporate structure of the WWE. When I send you a package, I will send you the TV discs of my MOTY sets that you don't already own for more examples.

I should ban you for getting my One And Only RE thread closed.

It's not completly, but... mostly irrelevant? Largely irrelevant? Quite a bit irrelevant? I want to point out that this cut and paste misrepresents Dylan's post. He was responding to a post above that used the term "completely irrelevant". I didn't read that Dylan was even implying that execution was irrelevant. They are not the same but the very use of the word "not" implies negative connotations. Someone mentioned the words 'solid', 'ok', etc. earlier. If that is what you were implying then say those words. "This lasagna is not very good" "This lasagna is ok" One is clearly a negative and one is clearly neutral/positive. You do sound like a bitter old man. I would honestly prefer to hear about what you do like because most of your recent posts are all about your hatred for WWE. Create a thread of awesome matches El-P would like us to watch. PPV, SD! and RAW. They were not house shows. Live TV! (except for SD!). No one is really disputing the over-production of WWE TV. For Dylan, myself and others, it isn't a dealbreaker. I mean fuck, how many tapes of shit VQ did tape traders own back in the day but they accepted it so they could watch a match? You hold the WWE production values against the wrestlers, I don't. None of this applies to Punk-Cena except to people who are already predisposed to hate the current product anyway. Honestly, I don't know the answer, have you even seen the match? As long as that isn't the match-up for the October Uprising PPV, I am ok with this. He is. Tomorrow, while my student teacher is doing all the work setting up my classroom, I'll try and finish this comparison of Punk/Cena and Austin/Hart I am working on. Maybe that would be a better comparison to work off of.

Then give me another U.S. based federation in the last 15-20 years that was putting on week to week quality matches. Give me YOUR view on what was so great week to week instead of knocking this down. It is really easy to be dismissive yet you give no example of what you consider better. Come on, you can be critical but at least be constructive. I am not separating RAW from the product but I am not ignoring the other shows either which was my point. The same could be said for WCWSN/Power Hour/Main Event/WWW/Pro era WCW. IN the history of wrestling television in the USA, it is surprising how little quality has come from TV on a weekly basis. Yeah I know. I was talking about US TV. Maybe I didn't make that clear. 1993 All Japan is still great. No one is taking that away. That isn't the case at all. We are just as excited about finding undiscovered gems from 20 years ago as we are at seeing the next Bryan Daniels match. The awesomeness of modern technology means you can do both. Go gaga over new stuff and old stuff. This only reinforces the point that the TV matches are better quality today. Also World Class and Portland both kind of destroy that horrible idea of running squash matches for 6 months with the occasional marquee match that was still going when TV time ran out to dust. They were both successful and ran top match-ups on TV every week. Do me a favor. Make a new post discussing that ten year period from 1989 to 1998 and support your opinion with some examples. I would love to branch on a new discussion about the era you are mentioning. One of the values of the yearbook is that we can remove all the horseshit and keep the good stuff in order to enjoy the product. How is that any different than recording a RAW, watching the good stuff, fast forwarding through the shit and enjoying the good-great matches? If we were to do a yearbook for this year, leading up to the MITB Main Event, we would include Punk's Greatest Promo Ever, the contract signing, the Cena-Vince stuff and it would pay off. We would include a video package summing up the Sheamus-Mark Henry feud to get to the Summerslam match. With access to the internet, DVR, etc., you can easily understand a character, his motivations, the history of a feud without having to sit through it. There is no requirement that you have to sit through every promo to understand the workings of a match. Also, Dylan never said he ignored previous matches in the feud in judging a current match. He just chose to skip all the bullshit... something we have always done and continue to do with wrestling. To Dylan... I'll make that Punk/Cena comparison to Hart/Austin soon.

I have been to three live WWE shows in the past two years, sitting no further than third row and never got the idea that the impact in the matches was a production trick.

If your criteria begins and ends with RAW then you would be right. When you take Smackdown and Superstars into account, you are getting more quality free TV matches than at any other point from one promotion. Add the now-defunct WWECW and the number increases greatly. Early on in the yearboook process, 1992 Dangerous Alliance era WCW may have been the best era for matches with the Saturday Night Show, Worldwide, Pro, Power Hour, Main Event and random Clashes thrown in the mix. 1983-84 era World Class could be thrown in the mix for at least featuring marquee matches week in and week out. Portland in the late 70s and early 80s had great marquee matchess every week. At this point in the conversation, name another point in time where wrestling fans have had a wealth of good-great matches every week from one company? As much as I love peak NWA from 1985-1987, you could go weeks before you would even get a full marquee match and even at that point, there was no guarantee the matches would be good. At what other point in WWE history can you point to where you got so much great wrestling on a weekly basis? Maybe 2000-2001 post-Russo WWF when they were pushing the Vanilla Midgets and there was an influx of Invasion guys. Prior to that point, great TV matches in the WWF were a rarity.