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On message board hatred toward wrestling posting... This is the reason Pro Wrestling Only exists... for wrestling fans to talk about the pro wrestling. In early message boards we used to post at, we were getting that kind of resistance where wrestling would be the busiest aspect of the board but the mods/admins wanted to focus on the other folders like they were ashamed of wrestling. Tha tis the reason we don't have a politics folder, music folder, sports folder, etc. Talk mother fucking wrestling to your heart's content right here. Hell, I am considering dropping the dead MMA folder as it is because fuck it.. .the two aren't the same fucking thing.

I'll agree with the generic promos and angles that need improving but the characters in WWE are all actually pretty solid. Way more convincing then the cartoon era characters that were coming out in the late 80s/early 90s that made me and so many others tune out of wrestling for a long stretch of time. I am going to list the main wrestlers in the Fed that are getting pushes and if there were better writers/bookers/more freedom to speak on their own, I have no doubt this would be the strongest the WWE roster/character development has looked in years. John Cena - White rapper / Marine half-loved, half-hated by the audience. Batista - Pink polo wearing bitter heel. Shit, this is like Lex Luger circa 1987 and Batista rules in this role. Randy Orton - The Viper gimmick. Has done so much devious shit in the last 2 years that he is really only hampered by the Rated PG product being put out. Rey Mysterio - Mini-super hero; the little engine that could; ultimate underdog in nearly every match he is in. CM Punk - Straight Edge Messiah. It's no wonder that people use him as an example as what people like in wrestling since he is largely left to his own devices on promos and angles. Big Show - Knockout King. Way more interesting than Andre the Giant's son. Bodyguard of weaker tag team partners. Edge - Rated-R superstar pushed the boundaries of good taste and I'll admit he is stale right now in a Rated PG world. However, his work in E&C / husband of Vivkie shows he has the personality to stand out in general. Chris Jericho - Still has some of the best delivery for a heel 12 years after his masterful 1998 run. Jericho needs a change in appearance more than anything but his promos and angles in 2008 ruled the world as well as delivering in the ring. Christian - has absolutely come alive in the ring in the last year but I admit his character needs something dramatic to make him really break out. The Miz - Real asshole but I think people can relate to knowing someone like this in their everyday life who they wish would get their ass kicked so he would shut the fuck up. +++++ I am not saying that WWe is perfect and you can tell that the storylines/matches are dying a slow death when half the arena ia quiet for most matches. Still, the WWE's problem doesn't really have anything to do with the roster and more with the sanitized production of the shows. I agree that a large part of the midcard is really, really generic and that has been the difficulty in elevating new talent. Still, the main core group is more believable, more talented than any WWE roster has been in my lifetime. Really generic guys who need a personality /gimmick change and quick... Jack Swagger (I need to think more about this guy since he is the new world champ), Sheamus, Randy Orton and Cody Rhodes, Ezekiel Jackson, Dolph Ziggler, MVP, Shelton Benjamin, Kane. Kane and MVP had great gimmicks at one time but don't really have the wrestling chops to see them exceed. Sheamus as Celtic Warrior isn't really anything to get excited about. Legacy , Swagger, Jackson, Benjamin and Ziggler remind me of guys who don't really stand out in any way, shape or form. There is absolutley no reason for me to hate or like any of these guys. I am sort of neutral on guys like John Morrison and Kofi Kingston who have shown flashes of being over but have never really show me anything that says these guys deserved to be pushed, personality or ring-wise. I am ignoring guys like HHH, Undertaker, HBK etc. because those guys are instititutions and can become stale but can also deliver in compelling storylines.

I agree!!! Since WM 17, Mania really hasn't had a big miss. There were more than a handful of bad Mania cards prior to WM17. I usually exempt 1 and 2 because they were still finding their way. However, WM 4, 5, 6, 7, 9, 11, 12, 13, 15... all overall mediocre cards. Yes, each one had its memorable moments but the overall cards sucked.

My standards must be really low now because I enjoyed the show. Then again, I didn't stick by WWE through the lean years either, choosing to pass them by from 2003 to 2008. Any footage I watched from those years was after the fact and usually for comps. I just started watching WWE programming on a regular basis lately and have really enjoyed it. It's probably because I am not tired of the characters that others are calling stale and boring. I also don't have some pre-concieved notion of what WWE is supposed to be and kind of expect what I get coming in instead of having them try to hold up to my high standards.

I enjoyed this show way more than I probably should have. I agree that Punk-Rey and Tag Title didn't get enough time but both were good while they lasted. I enjoyed the three-way but thought there were some wierd stalling moments that kind of broke up the flow for me .I didn't know if they were selling doubt in attacking former friends or if they forgot what they were going to do next. HHH-Sheamus was a good RAW TV match but not a good PPV match. Trips shouldn't have gone over but whatever. MITB was not one of my favorites. Bret-Vince was a complete mess. They should have just been surrogates for Cena-Batista and had Bret lock Vince in the Sharpshooter after. I disagree with Edge-Jericho. I thought it was pretty good throughout and the build-up to the big finale was well worth it. Someone mentioned it at DVDVR, but they deserve credit for getting the crowd back in the swing of things after Bret-Vince killed the crowd. I really enjoyed the two main events.

Considering that was late 1985/early 1986 and not 1988, I cracked up at that shit also.

Wallets on a shelf... that covers an entire wall

I am nearing 14,000 DVDs in my collection. No way in hell I will watch everything. The point isn't to watch everything but to have it available in case I do want to watch it. Plus, it helps in trades when I do need something else. Unlike a ton of people who are tuned out of the current product, I am loving modern wrestling. As much as the 80s stuff? No, but fuck it, I enjoy it for what it is.

I don't mind the 1981 match at all and may have been the one who nominated it. It was the idiotic 1983 match that wasn't worth a shit. Also, for those who didn't see it at DVDVR... TAX DAY April 15th is the deadline for ballots.

There can never be too much wrestling I keep collecting. I keep watching. I keep meeting new people to share the hobby with. All is good.

Someone like Bix would know if that is rare footage or stuff that is widely available.

I agree that both shows were not good but someone summed it up nicely over at DVDVR... it was nice to switch channels between two wrestling shows for the first time in a long time. I am working on the Death of WCW comp right now and if I thought Dixie Carter would watch it, I would send it to her. Seriously, NWO 2010 is not new, not fresh, not different. It is just so disappointing.

When I see him on TV, I know who Ken Jeong was... but I didn't know his name was Ken Jeong. He was the naked dude in Hangover, the doctor in Knocked Up etc. Never bothered to find out his name from the credits.

Makes me want to read Matysik's book on Brody.