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Damn, I mean he was just on PPV last night.

Terry Funk predicted that UFC/MMA would be the next phase of pro wrestling and will kill out the Sports Entertainment as well. He said eventually, that will end up being worked also. Cornette isn't alone in that thinking.

That's so bizarre considering he's probably spent most of his life in either Texas or Japan, which are two of the most conservative areas you could find. Hmmmm.... Texas is not THAT conservative. TX is so big it has huge conservative playgrounds and Democratic playgrounds. Also, the types of conservatives vary with your WASP Christian conservatives in North TX and your give me my guns/stay out of my backyard/no taxes conservatives in West TX. Then South TX is pretty heavily Latino and trends Democratic. East TX is heavily segregated and as close to old South as you are going to find here. TX is like 4 states in one.

Stan Lane said that Stan Hansen was a tried and true liberal. In a shoot, Lane said he was fucking with Hansen, arguing politics, and Hansen got so pissed off at Lane, he thought he was going to get a lariat.

So they give him the world title... go figure.

Sorry, had to edit this. I think the Mid South set proved Duggan was pretty damn great as being the main ass kicker.

I realize that I never answered the actual question... I don't have any real respect for the business itself. I mean fuck, there is a "What is worse... Pron or Wrestling?" thread just a ways down. Maybe if the business side wasn't so scummy, I wouldn't be so ashamed. However, as a fan of the on-screen stuff and finding the internet as an outlet for that fandom, I hold it pretty highly. I have met some really nice people because of my wrestling hobby. Wrestling has opened doors with people in the music industry (my other hobby) so I have made some cool friends and get free concert tix, T-shirts and music. I talk to Phil, Naylor and Loss nearly every week on the phone, probably more than my local friends. I have had dinner with Elwood, teke, Baker, and Tim Noel when they passed through TX. My comp shills have helped me pay for my new house and acquire a sick amount of wrestling. When I go to Philly/NY in July, I know I have a tour guide wherever I go. I could probably go and break bread with people in about 25 different countries through the comps. Fuck man, wrestling is good

I don't have any current friends in town who are wrestling fans. All of my wrestling friends are people I met online. I don't usually bring up wrestling around my friends and never at work. Many of the best points have already been made but I want to share this one story. I was having lunch with a good friend of mine I had not seen in about 5 years. I told him I was making cash selling some wrestling comps and he kind of laughed and asked me why I watched it. I explained the aesthetics of the moves and how I gather with other internet nerds and critique matches and rank them. He totally got it. It just so happens he was a dance instructor and he does the same shit with the mambo and tango and Dancing With the Stars shit. He criticizes dancers when they perform the wrong step the same way we criticize a guy for not connecting on a dropkick.

I disagree. When I was putting the set together, I thought the three Y2J-HBK matches included on the set were all great at the very least from a storytelling perspective if not from execution.

I have read the last two pages of this thread and have no idea what you guys are talking about. I blame myself.

I blame Tim Cooke

That is kind of the point of this thread... why aren't wrestlers/companies doing certain moves and what moves do we miss/don't miss.

Barry Windham had a pretty swank DDT. I agree completely though. I think it has been mentioned but the Nitro-lucha roll through DDT probably hurt the DDT more than anything. Completely disagree with Pegasus about the 10-count moves. Yes, it looks shitty if the guy has shitty punches. That is more a fault of the wrestler than the sequence. The turnbuckle face slamming is great esp. when the guy drops to his knees and you start ramming him into the middle turnbuckle. Fuck that. That shit is fun.

Childs, nominate this in the All Japan folder.

I don't watch enough current WWE to limit the topic to just WWE. However, what I have seen, the moves I mentioned are not really utilized at all. If they are being used, where? This topic is more about finishers (or moves) that you have seen in the past (gourdbuster, hanging chickenwing, etc) that you think was really effective (or ineffective) and would love to see make a comeback (or stay gone for good).

So, I have been working on the Four Horsemen set and, as a match finished, I was reading the "Same Moves on the Same Show" thread. Dylan mentioned that context was key and it got me to thinking... What moves would I love to see re-introduced as finishers and what moves are better left in the dustbin of history? This brings me to the Horsemen. Is there any reason the Gourdbuster isn't used anymore? Arn picking jobbers up and slamming them on their face seems like a credible finisher. With that said, I don't think I have seen anyone use it, even as a transitional move, in over 20 years. When you watch those slo-mo replays and see Gene Ligon or Ron Rossi's face bounce off the mat, it certainly seems like certain death. Then you have Tully Blanchard. The slingshot suplex seemed hokey to me in 1986 when I was a kid. I know Austin used it in WCW but I am kind of glad this one disappeared. It was put over way more than it should have been. A double team move I really liked was Ole coming off the top rope with a knee as Arn held the arm and then Ole applying an armbar. Depending on the jobber and the bump off the impact of the move, sometimes it looked really devastating. Other times, like Sam Houston collapsing before there was any impact, hurt the effectiveness. Anyway, other finishers I am surprised are no longer used, even though they were really over are the F5 and the Jackhammer. The F5 seems like it could still be used and I don't think Brock will be coming back anytime soon. I always thought the Jackhammer looked cool but I never bought it as a game-ender like the Stunner or Diamond Cutter. Discuss.

Ricky Steamboat... Mid-Atlantic/NWA/WCW World TV Title NWA World Tag Titles (3x w/ Youngblood and once w/ Douglas) NWA World Title U.S Heavyweight Champion Mid Atlantic Heavyweight Title Mid-Atlantic Tag Team Title (Did this become the tag belt or defunct?)

Dusty Rhodes... NWA World Six Man Titles (2x) NWA World Title (3x) NWA TV Title (3x) NWA World Tag Title (w/ Manny Fernandez) NWA United States Championship National Heavyweight Title Plus, Rhodes was Florida Champion and a Florida Tag Team Champion several times over.

Hmmm, there is the National title to consider as well so I would have to look at a list of National title holders who also held those other belts. .

I have a ton of TNA footage collecting dust here. Once I put out the NJ set and the 1996 yearbook, it looks like it might be time for a history of TNA.