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Refresh my memory. What was the Mag 7 storyline?
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Well, that and saying that Hitler had some good ideas. If there is one person people should not try and justify, it is Marge.
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Here is the full edition of last night's show for anyone interested... http://www.okwerdloathe.com/xboxpics/WOL%2...012-25-2005.mp3
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Here it is... http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/news/h...t.asp?aID=15068
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Last night on Meltzer's show Meltz was talking about HHH and Hogan holding people down and comparing the two. HOwever, I do not care about HHH holding people down. I am more interested when Meltzer made the following comment. "The bottom line is there was nobody ... I dont care who says what about anything... there was nobody in that period from 1984 to 1989 who put in the position of Hulk Hogan would have done as good as Hulk Hogan drawing the money. Nobody." Do you agree or disagree? Discuss.
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When he pushed Ron Simmons in WCW, he had several justifications for it. He felt Simmons' real athletic background was a plus (since Watts is a mark for football players) and that every other sport was dominated by black athletes and wrestling should be no different.
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Wrestling thoughts that probably don't deserve
goodhelmet replied to Coffey's topic in NMB Wrestling Archive
There are 2 Nikita shoots I know of The RF one and a Nikita-Magnum TA shoot where they discuss their feud. -
Only at NMB could a thread about Mid South turn into a thread about the McMahons
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Does "inside" knowledge sometimes hurt?
goodhelmet replied to sek69's topic in NMB Wrestling Archive
If I wasn't engaged in the backstage stuff or know beyond what I thought I knew then I would have stopped watching in 1999. I hated both products (WCW & WWE)until I discovered the internet, star ratings, the match within the match, and so forth. To me, it is the funny thing about wrestling. I have changed the reasons I watch several times in my life. It just happens that now I don't watch to see who wins or loses but how that affects the match itself and how it affects the person's standing in the company. I actually enjoy watching wrestling from this perspective. -
Wrestling thoughts that probably don't deserve
goodhelmet replied to Coffey's topic in NMB Wrestling Archive
You know, while going through and cataloguing the NWA TV, I have become an unabashed Nikita Koloff mark. I actually enjoy the Flair-Nikita matches, not for what Flair is doing, but because I actually enjoy watching Nikita wrestle. Add to the fact that i have just watched his shoot interview and how dedicated he was to kayfabe, I enjoy the hell out of his interviews, his squashes, his matches and angles. I'll admit, I don't really look for Nikita matches post 1987 but he is one of my current favorites. The point is that I think if I watch a Flair match with a guy I like (Reed, Kerry VE, Nikita, Magnum) then I am more interested in the match because of what the other guy brings to the table than what Flair is doing... even if the match itself falls under the Flair formula. -
Wrestling thoughts that probably don't deserve
goodhelmet replied to Coffey's topic in NMB Wrestling Archive
Maybe you should start a thread that correlates what WWE is doing now with specific examples listed in the book on the death of WCW. I found an old notebook of mine that has all of teke's shoots printed out and was reading through them the last few days. He gives so many examples of the Fed screwing up and making decisions and he wrote those in 2003! Maybe you can bring us up to date. -
Eddie Gilbert Eddie Gilbert was a talented, talented kid. I was intrigued by his talent but was always off wrong on the timing? Eddie needed somebody that was strong to be around him that could lead him and capitalize on the talent because Eddie could do anything in the ring. He had a gift but he just couldn?t overcome his own self-destruction Missy Hyatt Oh, Missy, we just had to have Missy but I don?t think Missy added one damn thing except problems. I can?t remember who she first came here with but every time she?d break up and start going with someone else you would have a headache and a problem. Missy never was one of my favorite ones at all. She was just part of where the thing was transitioning to. I don?t think it adds or takes away one thing. Well, I think we could have never had her and done just as well. I don?t think she added anything John Tatum I don?t really remember Tatum very well. I remember Tatum had problems. Oh yeah, I got my bad lawsuit over him being under the influence and having a major car wreck that killed somebody. So that?s my memory of Tatum. I wouldn?t even recognize him if I saw him so I didn?t think much of him.
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Ted Dibiase I call him my catalyst. I wanted him in any match. Dibiase by himself would never draw the biggest bucks in the business but Ted Dibiase in the match always made the match. Jim Duggan Duggan is the kind of guy who could draw money but Duggan could get so screwed up he is not working with the guys right. I had a hell of an angle here one time with Dibiase and Duggan that was a classic, the best dressed man angle, and every town that was going in, the town was going down. I went and watched and I saw why and had to chew Duggan?s ass. He was guzzling Dibiase and Dibiase?s not going to fight Duggan for getting his own part of the match. Dibiase is going to go along with it but it was killing the towns. But as far as heart, you want a guy like Duggan. He split his head, he speared his own head in Houston where it penetrated the skull with the damn turnbuckle. He goes to the hospital and sews it up. He never missed a show and finally his wife calls me and said, ? I don?t know if he can make it tonight. He can?t even shut his eyes. I said, ?Why?? ?His head is so swollen and it?s all puffy.? I said, ?He?s got blood poisoning. Get him to the hospital!? Duggan, with his way, he would make it if he was going through fire. Warrior Sting was partnered with a guy that was a real jerk. He was a piece of shit... Hellwig and Sting got upset and walked out on me. I told Grizzly, ?Go get Sting and have him come back.? I didn?t want the other guy.
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The Memphis Trade (MX, RNR, Dundee) My territory was down because you get into the trees and cant see the forest. So I call my friend Jerry Jarrett and I ask him and Lawler ?Why don?t you guys come over and just watch one of my TV shows and tell me what is wrong??? So Lawler and Jarrett came to the TV taping at the Irish McNeil Boys Club in Shreveport and they watched the taping and came in afterwards and I said ?lets go get a bite to eat, what did you think?? and they said ?Where is all the blowjobs?? I said, ?Blowjobs? Let the boys take care of that. That?s not why I brought you over here. I want to go eat and I want you all to tell me what is the matter with my territory.? He said, "Where are all the blowjobs?" I said, ?I am missing it.? He said,? Bill, you have got the toughest athletes here. You are down to your hardcore base of fans. There is nobody that?s bringing the young girls. And where the young girls are, the young guys are. To have a healthy mix, you gotta have a mixture and you don?t have it. You got Hacksaw Duggan, you got JYD, you got Dibiase, you got Dr. Death., you got Hercules Hernandez, you got guys that could whip everyone out here." He said, ?Why don?t we work a trade? Why don?t you come look at some of my talent and I?ll look at some of your talent?? So I went to Memphis and he had a young guy named Jim Cornette and I was just mesmerized by him. Bobby Eaton was in one match and Dennis Condrey was in another match and they weren?t even teamed. And Jarrett said ?Would you take this Cornette for me? I want to keep Jimmy (Hart), I want to keep him but I need to get rid of Cornette. I don?t have anything for Eaton or this other guy to do.?? We were talking about Stan Lane and his partner who were the Blondes (the Fabulous Ones), and I was really interested in them but he wouldn?t let me have them but he had Morton and Gibson doing nothing and he gave me them. That was the greatest trip I had ever taken. He picked out of my group Rick Rude, who was a young rookie at the time and somebody else and he took them. Well we took the videos and we put Cornette, Condrey and them together? and I am telling you we electrified this place. Plus, he had a little bitty booker over there named Bill Dundee and he didn?t have a place for Dundee. So I made a deal with Dundee to come over and help me with the book except I wouldn?t let him wrestle. Dundee?s got the greatest ego in the world and he?d want to beat Andre the Giant when he?s less than 6 feet tall himself but he had the most fertile mind. Dundee was phenomenal and Jimmy Cornette was mind-boggling and Bobby Eaton, what could you say about Bobby Eaton, he could do it all and Condrey fit. Robert Gibson was good but Robert was just ok. Ricky Morton could make any match. And so we had these guys and that was like we had the icing on the cake. And we could do all the stuff we needed to do and we blew this thing open. The teenyboppers and everybody were coming. And we still had the tough guys trying to be careful how we booked them or book them with guys who would work with them. Magnum TA We had Magnum and we converted Magnum. We dressed him up and started getting him and image and everything else. He was a fine kid. We had him for awhile but then he left and went to the Carolinas and was doing good there. The Fantastics Fantastics we tried to follow (the Rock N Roll express) but they could never follow Ricky and Robert. They were good but they couldn?t take it to the level of (the Rock N Roll Express). You don?t have that many Ricky Mortons. Ricky Morton can do it all. There are lot of guys who can do the mechanics but don?t have the feel for the match. And there?s a big, big difference.
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Your new wrestling power couple for 2006....
goodhelmet replied to sek69's topic in NMB Wrestling Archive
Possibly. I think Punk made the argument that promiscuous sex was bad but monogamous sex was ok. -
Your new wrestling power couple for 2006....
goodhelmet replied to sek69's topic in NMB Wrestling Archive
You obviously have not read up on CM Punk. -
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I pulled all of this from the Watts shoot. Once I compile enough quotes from Mid South wrestlers, I'll have the Thoughts ON Bill Watts thread... Wrestler A: He was a bully Wrestler B: He was a bully Wrestler C: He was a bully... and a racist Wrestler D: He was a bully
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Bumped because Boondocks mentioned it in the Watts thread. If you haven't read this, read it!
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To be honest, I think that was when Parish dropped off the face of the earth. At least I do not recall him ever finishing it up.
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I know we have probably done one of these in the past but I am going to resurrect the topic for some of the guys who have just joined recently. So, what is your favorite promotion and what time period? I have two so I'll respond later with my own thoughts.
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In my own personal Mid South project, I am transcribing the words of the Cowboy and his thoughts on various wrestlers. As I go through the shoot, I'll post the Cowboy's own words and hopefully you can respond with your own thoughts. This is what I have so far.... The Freebirds The Freebirds, we found them. Gordy and Michael Hayes, I wanted Gordy. I didn?t never think Michael was worth a shit in the ring but Gordy wouldn?t leave Michael. So Michael came and we had him but Michael was such a phenomenal talker and had such psychology on the mic but he always wanted to wrestle. He had that pride. Michael has a lot of drive and I love him to death but to me he was never what I needed in the ring. He didn?t compliment Gordy in the ring. Gordy was so awesome but then Gordy had to have Michael. They were co-dependent. So, I?ll never forget, Buck Robley was my booker then and he was going to trade them to Florida for 2 guys in Florida and I said ?the hell you are?. We?re going to find somebody to go with this team and Michaels going to start just doing the interviewing and managing. Then we got Buddy Roberts who was perfect and that team just took off as the Freebirds. Junkyard Dog JYD, he was in Calgary as Sylvester Ritter. We found him, brought him here. I saw his charisma. I named him. I gave him his music and did everything. He was so dynamite. He wasn?t a good worker, he was terrible. Matter of fact, by that time, we got him going and we were selling out everywhere but Ernie Ladd was having a big influence here. Ernie one night said ?I got your new star and he can?t handle it. We put him with Scott Irwin and Scott ran him ragged and his tongue was hanging out. He just can?t compete.? I didn?t understand Ernie completely but Ernie was the greatest human being in my life. Ernie, not only as a person but as an athlete but as a fabulous human being, Ernie taught me about black. All the things I was trying to learn at that time, a white man can never learn black. We don?t ever have to go through it, we can only observe it. I learned so much from Ernie Ladd and he had such a great heart but he didn?t want a black man to fail. So he was afraid JYD would fail. I fired Ernie for what he done that night to JYD with Scott Irwin. Ernie got the message and it never happened again and of course the rest is history. JYD became the biggest star I ever had. Paul Orndorff Orndorff battled me every day he was here. He was such a unique piece of talent. He was a tough guy. Couldn?t wrestle that well. We stretched his ass down in Florida when he came but Eddie Graham wouldn?t let us hurt him because he was a friend of Mikes. You saw he had guts. Orndorff was an athlete but he had guts. But he argued and fought me all the time. I?ll never forget, I had him and Ted Dibiase scheduled to go an hour broadway, both of them were babyfaces in Jackson, Mississippi. You should have seen the whining. ?Oh you?re going to kill our careers. We can?t do that. We can?t go an hour that way.? I said ?You two pussies or babies. Let me give you a finish that if you cant do it you can use it but you can?t use it until 5 minutes until the end of the hour. But I want this, this is what I want, but here is the finish. If you two sissies can?t do this and you chickenshit out, go ahead and cop it and do this.? That got them so dang mad at me. They were so mad at me they went out there and tore the joint down. They tore the joint down. They could have gone 2 hours but they grew. They both grew that night because they both realized ?Gosh dammit, we can do it. We can do it? and it changed both of them. And they both know it now and they both know that was pivotal. Paul Orndorff called me years later after he was in New York ?I was so damn mad at you I didn?t realize how much you taught me until I got away from you.?
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That is what tape trading is for