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i feel like there is a Pirata Morgan or El Satanico match in your future

Well, you've sold me on me turning in a ballot. However, it's gonna be without WOS and not a lot of Memphis guys. ok you are not allowed to turn in a ballot

I actually think tag worker is a weakness in Hansen's resume. He has been part of great tag matches but I always look at Hansen as a partner for hire instead of a true partner. When he had a "true" partner, Brody, they just guzzled opponents and both played the alpha bully. Not appealing to me at all.

If he worked that way the entire time, he might be my #1

I am game. I love the challenge. I went 11 shows and only dropped 4 F bombs. I think I can not say WWf for one show. JR and Dan? Probably not.

Kawada is also in the discussion. He was in two legitimately great standalone tag teams.... with Fuyuki and Taue. He has the great tag matches with Misawa and Hansen as his partner. I like his team with Fuchi too so yeah... Kawada.

We have seen killer babyfaces before. At the time, the Roadies and later Goldberg. For NIkita, the point was that he was having great matches just months before the Starrcade match. Whether it was Flair's fault or Nikita's fault or the booker's fault, it fell flat. We do have house show footage of the Dream Team working together against the Horsemen where the crowd is red hot so it wasn't a case of Nikita not being over. My argument was that lesser workers had better matches with guys like Gordy and Nikita than Flair. I also conceded that sometimes people just don't mix. As for the matches, my argument was that everyone on the great Flair matches list (save for Luger) will probably be in the upper echelon of my Top 100. Great workers should have great matches with great workers. If Valentine and Garvin didn't have great matches, I would be upset. If Lawler and Dundee didn't have great matches, I would be disappointed. If Jumbo and Tenryu didn't have great matches, I would be disappointed. My main argument, and maybe I didn't articulate it, but I did write it in the Lawler thread was that Lawler was the REAL Broomstick worker. He had great matches against shmucks who would never sniff the Top 100 let alone the Top 50. If you don't think the Bundy match was great, the Kimala 2003 match was great, the Idol cage match or the Bigelow match was great then we will have a difference of opinion and leave it that. I can probably watch those matches again and explain more in depth why I think they are great (damn DVDVR for going down) but that was the main point of my argument. I am not denying Flair had many, many great matches. My argument was Lawler did more with less. Then, when Lawler was giving the opportunity to pair up with great wrestlers (Dundee, Bock, Flair, Funk, Fujinami), we usually got something great out of it. Outside of Memphis, Lawler didn't have the benefit of being on national TV when he went to other territories. As Kris and goc pointed out, he ended up headlining those places (and being high on the card in Houston). As for Japan, I never said he was able to get a hold of the country the way other wrestlers did. My point referred more to the DVDVR project. When Lawler popped up in the AWA, Texas, Japan, etc., his matches usually found their way on to the set. The main point was that Flair being successful in different places wasn't exclusive to Flair. Dusty, the Roadies, DK, Abby like Loss said all got over in Japan and Puerto Rico. Doesn't mean shit if the matches aren't good. Even when Lawler wrestled Fujinami in silence, the match was pretty damn good. Kudos to Flair for not wrestling in front of silent Japanese crowds. Hulk Hogan was able to get over wherever he went at his peak. Doesn't mean anything to me. Negro Casas has only gotten over in Mexico. So what? He's awesome. It isn't a metric I am going to use in my criteria for GWE. I don't mean to pick on Will, but he certainly argues his case with fervor. He makes a strong case for Lawler's virtues, but when faced with his weaknesses, he relates to emotional preference and implies the weaknesses don't matter. Flair's every weakness is scrutinized (as it should be if we're making a case for all-time great), but it feels like Lawler's are taken off the table. I'd love to see him examine them, as I'm sure he'd make a great case. For me, the bottom line is the case for Flair holds up to scrutiny. Even when we acknowledge his flaws, the mountain of evidence left standing preserves his spot. This was the point where criteria is really important. I made this argument when I did Graham's show and made it again. I think the style of wrestling you enjoy is just as important as the wrestler itself. If I enjoy Memphis wrestling more than any other wrestling style and Lawler excels (or could be argued as the best) at the things I value most, what weaknesses do you want me to focus on? I have no problem saying Lawler isn't an elite mat worker. To be fair, I don't think Flair is either. It doesn't matter to me. If Lawler never went to the mat, it wouldn't affect my love for his work one iota. If Flair just chopped and punched the shit out of somebody, I would probably love the match. I enjoy Memphis wrestling, All Japan and lucha more than 30-60 minute world title NWA matches. I know Loss doesn't like the way Lawler carried himself as champion with the chain and shtick. Me and Phil Schneider ate that shit up when watching Texas. Sometimes what we value is just as important as the actual wrestler. What other weaknesses do you want me to point out? His shitty Stone Cold Stunner in 2003? Acknowledged.

this sounds so weird coming from you. Read that last sentence.

Dylan, great post. On the issue of criteria, Parv and I go in depth on criteria and how critical it is in evaluating wrestlers. In that sense, the issue was addressed but one podcast later. We also discussed the idea of Flair not being able to hit his signature spots later on.

I will respond to all points tomorrow but tonight is the wife's birthday so it will have to wait.

Which means that both will be unceremoniously dumped by Stroman in about 12 seconds.

I have a plan for the next one that will be nuts.... over the top.

How long have the ads been on there? I went to watch Starrcade 87 and an ad for Draft Kings popped up.

That's a fair comment but we have only done it twice. The idea is to see something cool that happened that week and discuss it. I like to think that after the listing we have decent conversation on the topics.

OK, I have done my homework and have lots to say on a podcast with Parv. On Spanish pronunciations, Jose or Boricua may correct me but here is somethign super simple about the Spanish language. The single vowels don't have multiple sounds like English. A is always Ahhhhh E is always Ayyyyy I is always Eeeee O is always Ohhh U is always ooooh Santo - Sahhhnnn-toe Pirata - Peeerahhtah

Awesome. It can't be worse than my list. True. Your list will be the worst.

Also, si oem, the moment I was sure your account was not a spam account and you contacted me at DVDVR, you were immediately activated. I go by gut on what is and isn't a spam account when activating accounts. I have never seen the letters "si oem" together before and initially thought it was a spam account.

It wasnt. It was me, Phil and Dean.

I'm used to it.

Did you just call me a masculine, misogynistic, racist?

Number of PMs so far: ZERO. I don't need a PM to accept but I need time to listen to all of the podcasts. How much time do I have to listen to the podcasts before recording?

i know. The concern is that since they were playing up the event as a WWE moment that they would try to emulate the most famous Iron Man.

Sasha Banks vs. Bayley (NXT Women’s Title) - Shit, just showing Bayley waiting for her entrance added more gravitas to this match. - Christ, I marked out over them just mentioning their color schemes. - I loved the copy-cat roll up attempt early on but the constant flip pin stuff is lame - After that, this got good real quick even with the dangerous Japanese arm drag. - I don’t know how I feel about Sasha winning the first fall with a poke of the eyes. Roddy Piper tribute? - I really liked the Belly to Bayley counter for the 2nd fall - I like the fact that a countout led to a fall and they are avoiding the Bret-Shawn Ironman route. - I almost marked out when Bayley was about to be counted out twice. - I think Sasha going up 3-1 would have created more drama - Oh man, I love Bayley getting a receipt by attacking Sasha’s hand. The hand playing a part in the end was HUGE! - I think I liked the parts better than the sum of the match. I may need to rewatch this one. It didn’t feel like a MOTYC to me even though I really enjoyed it especially the super hot ending.

You know what I love about Regal as an authority figure... you just sound more respectable with an English accent. (This doesn't apply to Parv. He's Welsh.)

The post match celebration and Cody's speech were pretty awesome. Great moment.