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I just watched the last 10 minutes of 6/9/95 and given the selling, the individual characters of the 4 wrestlers, etc I could not disagree more about the last few minutes of the match. If you watch that finishing stretch and tell me Kawada is arbitrarily throwing out powerbombs until one randomly beats Misawa, then you and I are watching different matches.

If you're going to take a more critical approach to Kawada you should look at the things people actually praise Kawada for and see if they hold up. Things like: Best tag worker ever Best psychologist Best seller Best peak performances

"Best offense" could mean a lot of things but looking at your comments it looks like you're focusing more on variety of bombs and suplexes and being "dynamic" more than anything else. Keeping that in mind... Yatsu was the first guy to come to mind since I watched the famous match with Choshu vs Jumbo and Tenryu again tonight. Yatsu was really a go go go worker at heart but he was relentless in throwing bomb after bomb. He was the lowest ranked guy in that match but was determined to prove he could hang. The best way to do that was throw as much shit as he could at Jumbo/Tenryu. Misawa, Kawada, and even Taue should really be on a list like this if Kobashi and Jumbo are going to be mentioned. The All Japan heavyweights really have incredibly deep movesets. 2 Cold Scorpio is an under the radar sort of guy. Dick Togo is another one. Both guys could toss their opponents around with powerbombs and suplexes, but could crush dudes with high flying moves. Liger. I still love Shinjiro Ohtani's offense too. Really the same as the last two. Liger probably has more variety on offense than anybody that I could think of. I always LOVED Ohtani's springboard offense which looked brutal as fuck. Add in powerbombs, germans, dragon suplexes, the boot rake in the corner, etc Junior OHtani's offense was terrific. Lots of Joshi workers deserve mention. But I'll single out Hokuto, Aja Kong, and Bull Nakano. I almost forgot Randy Savage. I also wanted to give shout outs to Buzz Sawyer and mid 90s Barbarian when he added the powerbomb and was kicking dudes faces off. And Volk Han came to mind. Obviously he had a very different offense and threw bombs of a different variety. But Volk was easily one of the most exciting wrestlers ever to watch on offense. For Lucha guys, El Dandy and Pirata Morgan come to mind. Santo Jr's signature offensive spots are some of my favorite in wrestling and always look great so he deserves a mention. Oh mid 90s Rey Jr. Editing in Alexander Otsuka because GOTNW reminded me by saying Ikeda. Freaking Otsuka!

Can I submit two lists? One with Ric Flair #1 to piss people off and one without Ric Flair at all to piss people off?

I'll definitely be submitting a list but I can guarantee the moment I hit send I'll be like "Oh shit, I put wrestler x too low" and "wrestler Y is probably 30 spots better than they should really be ranked." If you've found this site, you're qualified to make a list. If you haven't found this site yet but hear about it before (or after) the deadline, you're still qualified to make a list. I think it is great that, since the beginning of the project, the architects of the project and mods of this site have made it very clear that they want as many people participating with as many different views as possible. The reason we're all here is because we like pro wrestling and talking about it with other people on PWO. How is making a list of "These are the 100 Best Wrestlers I've Ever Seen" not super fun? What's even more fun is 100 other people making a list and everyone's list getting tabulated by a beautiful mind math wizard (so the rest of us don't have to do it) and spitting out a "results" top 100 that we can talk about further. That fucking rocks! Seriously I've made 2 or 3 "top 100 rough drafts" already and theyve all been different and I've had fun making every one. I think people are getting stuck on the title "Greatest Wrestler Ever" and feel they aren't qualified unless they've seen and like everything. This project should be viewed as "Greatest Wrestlers I've Ever Seen."

Sorry if this isn't the right thread to ask this. Listening to the new (and awesome as usual) Exile on Badstreet, I'm really interested in learning more about old school lucha. Since there are voters here in the Mexico category on either side of the Huracan Ramirez candidacy I'm wondering if the the people who voted for and against him could talk a bit about him as a candidate. What was he missing for the non-voters? What put him over the top for the voters? So far everyone has voted for Karloff. What separates them as candidates? Thanks!

I actually think the majority of the Gordy matches I really like are in Texas. The absolute best matches he was involved in were probably in Japan but I feel pretty comfortable saying I think his best run as a worker was the Freebirds vs Von Erichs feud. I do like El-P's point about young Gordy being an overgrown Terry Funk. That's a really good call actually.

Before I get into the names, I wanted to say Gordy will make my list. I do think he was a very good-great wrestler in the 80s and he's been in a lot of matches I really like/love. But he's a weird guy to me because I think he had all the tools and opportunities to have a higher peak than he did. Adrian Adonis I would rate Gordy higher definitely. Its a good comparison because they share some similar qualities based around size and athletic ability. Gordy has more good-great matches than Adonis and has him beat as far as longevity and I prefer Gordy stylistically. There are some Adonis matches I want to rewatch (like vs Rose) and I could definitely be convinced that Adonis' peak as a singles wrestler was better than Gordy's but overall I prefer Gordy. Barry Windham I will absolutely rate Windham higher. This is possibly a case where Gordy has him beat as far as number of good/great matches but Barry takes it on performances/versatility. Barry also shares a lot of strengths with Gordy related to size and athleticism but Barry was a much more versatile performer. Heel, face, tags, singles, young up and comer, established vet, brawler, title match worker, short sprints, long sprawling epics etc etc. Barry could do it all. I think Barry smokes Gordy as far as great singles matches too. Easily Windham. Harley Race I would rate him and Gordy around the same range based on what I've seen. I've seen a lot of Harley but I've seen WAY more Gordy. Both are guys who I want to like more than I do and I always expect their matches to be better than they end up being. RIght now Push. Terry Taylor Gordy in a cakewalk. I like the idea of Gordy more than I like Gordy. I don't like the idea of Terry Taylor or the reality of Terry Taylor. Jerry Blackwell This is an interesting comp. I feel like Gordy should have been better. I don't know if Blackwell could have been better. Both have a really unique skill in that they can maintain their dangerous aura while taking lunatic bumps and putting babyfaces over in a big way. Gordy definitely has him beat on longevity but I'm not sure his peak performances are better. Sting Gordy was better. Gordy just looked stupid. Sting was stupid Seriously though, Sting's best singles matches were probably better but Gordy beats him easily on longevity as a very good-great worker and consistency.

Been watching and thinking about Terry Gordy lately and I like the idea of Gordy more than I actually like Gordy. He's been in a lot of great matches (mostly 80s tags) and he has a lot of great tools but I always end up feeling underwhelmed. He's great on paper. Good size, great punch, great bumping, knew how to sell and put guys over. But there's just something missing and I can't put my finger on what it is. He should have been a top 20 worker but the pieces never really came together like I would have hoped.

HOLY SHIT! I have no words.

vs Takada from the 4/19/84 gauntlet was absolutely spectacular. But yeah, what else? Yatsu is a lock for my list but it is because of the tag work. Would like to check out any good-great singles stuff.

I definitely want to run that 24 hours again. It was my favorite playlist so far. Wahoo vs Magnum in a Cage is fucking epic. Definitely watch Heenan/Bundy/Studd vs Hogan/Andre too. I am all in on Wahoo at this point. Old Wahoo was Old Tenryu before Old Tenryu. Si is a madman and coming up with new playlists everyday. I'm pushing for an "Under-discussed great worker day" with 24 hours of Eddie Gilbert, Matt Borne, Butch Reed, Chris Adams etc.

Si meant PM! Not AM! We're starting in 18 minutes. http://www.taima.tv/r/losttotime

We are under 2 hours away from the start of our Wahoo, Tommy Rich, Buzz Sawyer, Mocho Cota, Bobby Heenan marathon! Wild punches, stiff chops, furry boots, afros, blood, comedy, insane crowd heat, etc etc etc. Get ready for your fill. Wahoo vs Atsushi Onita Tommy Rich vs Buzz Heenan vs Koko B Ware Heenan teaming against Hogan and Andre Wahoo vs Dick Murdoch Wahoo vs NAILZ Wahoo vs Valentine (Greg and Johnny) Cota vs Rocca The Tommy Rich and Bill Dundee team! etc etc etc. Come join us at 9pm Eastern for some great wrestling and bad jokes. Link coming.

Si is doing the lords work but he needs a hype man. SO YEAAAAAAAAAAAA BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYY! GET READY FOR THE NEW PLAYLIST! You know those guys who make you go "Fuck, I wish we had more footage of those guys" well Si and I decided we tend to really like those guys and thought 24 straight hours of a few of them would be the most reasonable thing to do. So we've put together 24 hours of Wahoo McDaniel, Tommy Rich, Buzz Saywer, Mocho Cota, and Bobby MotherFucking Heenan for your viewing pleasure. We've got Heenan vs Midgets, Wahoo in cages, Buzz Sawyer crushing jobbers, Tommy Rich bleeding, and Mocho Cota existing in the world. We're starting at 9pm Eastern Time September 24th. BE THERE. BE READY. WE'RE GOING OLD SCHOOL. Link coming.

Ok, i watched the tag and it was awesome. Now I need to watch this Flair and Tully vs Wahoo and Dusty Double Bullrope match that popped up in my suggestion box. Si, I would like to suggest "Wahoo Wednesday" as a future playlist

Of all the matches I sent you for the tag marathon, this was the one I was most excited to watch with everyone

How could you forget Jim Ross dressed in an adult sized adolescent sailor suit?

All day at work in the back of my mind I've been hoping my Internet will be working tonight because I'm dying to jump back in. Such a fun way to watch wrestling. If you don't give this a shot you're making a mistake. 3 more hours

Had a total blast spending time watching these matches and chatting until my computer had a stroke during Murdoch/Fujiwara. I hung out for several hours, watched a huge variety of workers and saw a ton of matches I had never seen before. Couldn't recommend this highly enough. If my computer would cooperate I would jump back in. Everyone should give this a shot. Really fun way to watch stuff. Kudos to si oem for setting this up and doing a terrific job picking a huge and interesting mix of matches.

Resurrecting this thread with this insanity driven Who's Better comp... Sayama Dory Funk Jr HHH Bruiser Brody

Hahahahahahahahaahahahaha! Holy shit! Quote of the century.

Really interesting turn this thread has taken. I'm not sure. It's not something that's been properly explored. This is sort of a catch 22 because how much of All Japan being what it was came down to Baba's personal legend? Those two were the writers/producers/directs/leading men of NJ and AJ respectively. NJ created in the image of Inoki and AJ created in the image of Baba. Baba was a bigger star than Inoki in JWA. Baba was a bigger star worldwide than Inoki. That Inoki went from being secondary to Baba when they were both employees to running the biggest company in the country for all but what 5 years, suggests that the promoting and storytelling in New Japan was more effective than Baba's. That New Japan created more stars than All Japan during Baba's life also suggests the NJ booking/promotional philosophy was more effective than Baba. It carried beyond Inoki and Baba. In this case, slow and steady came in second, but still beat a bunch of other people

In ring, absolutely. The main events were often great-all time great matches. The overall booking of the promotion, unless outside forces were pushing his hand, was disappointing relative to the main event talent. Kurosawa showed more creativity in 90 minutes of Rashomon than Baba did in 30 years of All Japan. I won't hold Baba's uninteresting booking against him in the GWE poll. He'll rank really high for me. As will a lot of his disciples. I like them as workers. I wish they had a Riki Choshu type booker.