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  1. Man, I'd risk a bet on the Rhodes at those odds. Especially earlier when it was 15/2. Only site I know of that lets you do it from the US though has a $50 minimum and I don't wanna put down that kind of money.
  2. I watched Claudio vs. Genercio from the Race to the Top tournament the other day, it was very well received at the time. Didn't much care for it. Lots of moves but not much build, sort of awkward progression, nothing really interesting outside the bomb trading in the final minutes. WWE style did those guys wonders.
  3. Bryan saying he's "trying to get in" the Rumble in a pretty kayfabe interview (name dropping Trips as COO and all) gives me some hope.
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  5. I still say Battleground's ending was better than all endings since. I'll take a mildly interesting non finish over soul crushingly dull finishes.
  6. Ha. I love that match and thought both looked phenomenal.
  7. tim

    Current WWE

    2 hours and 59 minutes late, and RUNNING to urgently get to the ring. Honestly, some things in wrestling don't have to make sense if they're good. But this wasn't good, and the stupidity just made it, well, stupider.
  8. That came back over the summer when Vince got involved in the Bryan angle. Specifically it made its return during Bryan's gauntlet on that one RAW. I myself was shocked it wasn't discussed at the time.
  9. OJ, apologies if this was already posted/answered in this thread, but do you think you could list the five or so best WoS matches in your view?
  10. tim

    Current WWE

    So Ryback is the best wrestler at using Twitter, yeah? What a man. He could be such a great character if they gave him some time to be himself on air, the bully skits were incredible as was a lot of the stuff with Heyman.
  11. For definitely being someone who has starkly opposite taste to the kind represented on Voices of Wrestling, there are only three matches I wouldn't call at least "very good" in that top 15: The January Okada/Tana match, which I thought was incredibly boring; the Undertaker/Punk match, which I thought was "okay" overall and have no interest in seeing again; and the King of Pro Wrestling match, which I thought was a quintessential match of two halves: the first half was really boring and nondescript while the extended home stretch I thought was very well done and pretty great. I did try to go off my beaten path and checked out that highly ranked Dragon Gate tag, and thought it was pretty bad overall. Some pretty spots, yeah, but man I wish they didn't try to work that long. Whenever they were trying to work a traditional match outside the runs of big moves I thought it was actively bad. Like anyone I can appreciate big dives and pretty spots but I'd appreciate it a lot more if they just dropped the pretenses and went out and just started hitting their spots and condensed the whole thing into ten minutes or so.
  12. Wow I actually couldn't watch or listen to the DX stuff, I had to switch over to another tab and take the headphones off.
  13. To be honest, nothing to me sounds as torturous as manually creating all those damn threads in the yearbook forums.
  14. I don't get what this argument is about. I'm sure Devitt's a great guy and fantastic to work with professionally. What does that have to do with the quality of his ring work?
  15. re: The interference in Ibushi/Devitt. Hell, I thought it added to the match. I'm not saying it was good or anything but it was filler for the opening portions of the match and served as a transition into the move-heavy homestretch. If the interference wasn't there instead we'd probably get the kind of mat wrestling, limb work, meandering and directionless middle half that a lot of juniors matches are characterized by -- and that stuff done by Ibushi and Devitt. Gimmicky interference sounds a lot better to me than that. It may be no good from an 'artistic' perspective but I kind of feel like it's a "worst thing other than the alternative" type of deal.
  16. If it hasn't been mentioned yet, the Big Japan "shopping mall brawl" from July 1995 (on Ditch's site) definitely needs to be on a project like this. Didn't see it in the 95 forum.
  17. I really liked the show. It's not really my style, and I don't know how much I'd have enjoyed if it I weren't watching it live in a stream/chat with a bunch of enthusiastic New Japan marks, and I don't know how much I'd like any of the matches in isolation, but as an overall show watching it live it was a great time. Which has pretty much been the case with all the New Japan shows I've watched live, much more than the sum of their parts. I mean, if I watched Goto/Shibata as a stand alone match honestly I'd probably call it bad but in the context of the show, with the build up videos etc, the stiffness was some good novelty that fit in nicely with the card. Even watching it from that perspective though fuck do they need to drop the US-indie offense. The Gracie match was very disappointing. I'm not sure I expected it to be good but I hoped it would. NJPW doesn't need matches like THIS but I'd love it if they had a few "legit" guys around to regularly put on matches like Sakuraba/Nakamura and add, I dunno, a little 'edge' to the product. Maybe I'm trying too hard to convince myself but I hold out a little bit of hope that something good can come from this given that this match was so uneventful and the feud is continuing -- makes me think maybe the Gracies are trying to put some work in to get decent at pro wrestling. They were obviously very limited here. At that point I was very tired but I enjoyed all the three big title matches. I don't know that Devitt/Ibushi was a good match but it had some good spots. Okada/Naito did a pretty great NJ style home stretch and I really liked the finish. The beginning was weird: the work seemed alright generally but it was weirdly spaced out and a lot of downtime. The main event actually seemed really good to me but I was almost struggling to keep my eyes open at that point. The videos and entrances were great, NJPW killed WWE in terms of Wrestlemania presentation. In general NJPW does "sports entertainment" better than WWE while I think WWE has the much better in-ring product, which is just a funny state of affairs. I liked the show a lot but when I'm watching a full show I tend to appreciate it more as an overall viewing experience rather than a collection of matches; not sure how much anyone not into the NJ style would like any of the matches in isolation.
  18. I have a friend who grew up in Japan and though he knows of a number of NJ stars, even Tanahashi, he says he's never even heard of Kobashi.
  19. tim

    Current WWE

    I agree the match before was very good.
  20. tim

    Current WWE

    Why I think it was shit: - It's Bryan in a midcard feud. - Bryan looks weak for giving in. The feud didn't seem too heated to begin with and was especially diluted by Bryan's involvement in the Orton/Cena story in some of the past few weeks feeling like a much bigger deal than this. Then out of nowhere he gives in against something that didn't really seem like a big deal. - Essentially telling the fans that their wild cheering for him, the biggest thing he's got going for him, doesn't really matter. - It was that cheesy, over-written, awkward WWE dramatic stuff. And it was just weird. Bryan gets a weak beatdown, "gives in," Bray acts way creepy man and then hits his move on Bryan because whoa so mysterious before leading Bryan out. - The crowd was sitting on their hands while that angle played out. They were hot chanting for Bryan at the end but I saw that as just them taking the cue from Bryan looking out at them on the ramp, and they'll take any excuse to go nuts for Bryan. But they could have cared less about the angle. - Bryan should be doing something interesting and high profile going into Mania season. - This might mean Bryan not in the Rumble, this might mean Bryan in a lame midcard match as Mania.
  21. tim

    Current WWE

    For my money that RAW ending is on the shortlist for worst things WWE has ever put on television.
  22. I'd been watching for this quite a bit, probably will be taking a break for a couple months now. Might try to get a top 100 together, but for now this was my tentative top 50 as of when I'd finished my initial spree of watching: 1. Kenta Kobashi & Tamon Honda vs. Jun Akiyama & Akitoshi Saito, NOAH 06/06/2003 2. Kenta Kobashi vs. Tamon Honda, NOAH 04/23/2003 3. Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Jun Akiyama, AJPW 02/27/2000 4. Yuki Ishikawa, Munenori Sawa & Alexander Otsuka vs. Daisuke Ikeda, Super Tiger II and Katsumi Usuda, BattlARTS 07/26/2008 5. Toshiaki Kawada vs. Kensuke Sasaki, NJPW 10/28/2000 6. Yuji Nagata & Takashi Iizuka vs. Toshiaki Kawada & Masa Fuichi, NJPW 12/14/2000 7. Tatsumi Fujinami vs. Osamu Nishimura, MUGA 09/25/2006 8. Toshiaki Kawada vs. Shinya Hashimoto, AJPW 02/22/2004 9. Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Yoshihiro Takayama, NOAH 09/23/2002 10. Toshiaki Kawada vs. Naoya Ogawa, Zero-One 12/14/2003 11. Daisuke Ikeda vs. Yuki Ishikawa, FUTEN 04/24/2005 12. Katsuyori Shibata vs. Jun Akiyama, Wrestle-1 04/08/2005 13. Jun Akiyama vs. Masao Inoue, NOAH 04/23/2006 14. Kenta Kobashi vs. Yoshihiro Takayama, NOAH 04/25/2004 15. Tamon Honda vs. Daisuke Ikeda, NOAH 09/01/2001 16. Kiyoshi Tamura vs. Hiroyuki Ito, U-Style 08/18/2004 17. Fujita Hayato vs. Koji Kanemoto, NJPW 12/22/2009 18. Yuki Ishikawa vs. Kazunari Murakami, BattlARTS 11/26/2000 19. Toshiaki Kawada vs. Genichiro Tenryu, AJPW 10/28/2000 20. Tiger Mask IV & Alexander Otsula vs. Carl Malenko & Ikuto Hidaka, BattlARTS 02/13/2001 21. Kenta Kobashi vs. Yoshinari Ogawa, NOAH 11/01/2003 22. Yuki Ishikawa vs. Carl Greco, BattlARTS 06/01/2008 23. Jushin Liger & Wataru Inoue vs. Yoshinobu Kanemaru & Tsuyoshi Kikuchi, NOAH 02/17/2002 24. Genichiro Tenryu & Nobutaka Araya vs. Taiyo Kea & Kiyoshi Miyamoto, AJPW 04/27/2002 25. Stan Hansen & Taiyo Kea v Toshiaki Kawada & Genichiro Tenryu, AJPW 07/23/2000 26. Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Yoshihiro Takayama, NOAH 03/15/2001 27. Shinya Hashimoto vs. Masato Tanaka, Zero-One 11/07/2003 28. Tamon Honda vs. Akitoshi Saito, NOAH 03/30/2003 29. Genichiro Tenryu & Jun Akiyama vs. Kenta Kobashi & Go Shiozaki, NOAH 04/24/2005 30. Jushin Liger & Takehiro Murahama vs. Naomichi Marufuji & KENTA, NOAH 7/16/2003 31. Mitsuharu Misawa vs. Takeshi Morishima, NOAH 03/02/2008 32. Shinya Hashimoto vs. Masato Tanaka, Zero-One 03/02/2002 33. Kenta Kobashi vs. Kensuke Sasaki, NOAH 07/18/2005 34. Yuji Nagata vs. Akira Taue, NOAH 06/06/2003 35. Aja Kong vs. Meiko Satomura, GAEA 12/15/2001 36. Dick Togo vs. Tiger Mask IV, Michinoku Pro 08/25/2002 37. Shinya Hashimoto & Takashi IIzuka vs. Kazunari Murakami & Naoya Ogawa, NJPW 01/04/2000 38. Yuji Nagata vs. Kazunari Murakami, NJPW 12/12/2002 39. Akira Taue vs. Naomichi Marufuji, NOAH 03/05/2006 40. Jun Akiyama vs. Hiroshi Tenzan, NJPW 08/17/2003 41. Osamu Nishimura vs. Hiro Saito, MUGA 08/02/2006 42. Yuki Ishikawa vs. Alexander Otsuka, Big Mouth Loud 09/11/2005 43. Jun Akiyama, Akitoshi Saito & Juji Izumida vs. Takeshi Rikio, Takeshi Morishima & Daisuke Ikeda, NOAH 03/16/2003 44. Daisuke Ikeda & Takeshi Ono vs. Manabu Suruga & Takahiro Oba, FUTEN 04/09/2009 45. Jushin Liger & Minoru Tanaka vs. Yoshinobu Kanemaru & Tsuyoshi Kikuchi, 04/07/2002 46. Shinya Hashimoto & Yuji Nagata v. Mitsuharu Misawa & Jun Akiyama, Zero-One 03/02/2001 47. Osamu Nishimura vs. Koji Kanemoto, NJPW 08/08/2004 48. Kenta Kobashi vs. Akira Taue, NOAH 09/10/2004 49. Mitsuharu Misawa & Yoshinari Ogawa vs. Akitoshi Saito & Masao Inoue, NOAH 09/10/2004 50. Yuji Nagata vs. Giant Bernard, NJPW 04/30/2006
  23. Funny that you mention these specifically. When I was young I always had in my mind a very specific hierarchy of suplexes and the level of damage that should do: Vertical > Butterfly > Gutwrench. The gutwrench is the easiest to lift a guy for, because you can get the most leverage out of the positioning, but you can't lift him quite as high. The butterfly gives you more a chance to hoist him up, while sacrificing some leverage; still, though, you have the arms to hold on to and pick him up with. The vertical though has to be thought of as the toughest lift. Not as much to grab onto and you have to hoist him straight up onto your shoulder -- at the same time, that's the move that gets him the highest and therefore should have the most impact coming down.
  24. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Train_de_Nulle_Part
  25. WWE started caring about putting on good matches in 2000 and 2001 but they weren't "workrate" matches like the Smackdown six was. This stuff is hard to properly define but I'm sure everyone knows what that means. Think of the pimped matches from WWE 2000 and 2001, you have the TLC stuff, gimmick matches like Trips/Jericho and the 3 stages of hell (to what extent any of this holds up, of course, is up for question), and story/atmosphere-driven stuff like Rock/Austin and Austin/Angle(which I think is a legit great match anyway). That stuffs a lot different from what was going on with the Smackdown six which is something that appealed more to smarky sensibilities of what good working is.
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