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Not only individual matches, but hand-picked individual matches most of the time. Don't really consider myself a big watcher.

I don't know if there's really a canon anymore. There was when I first got online but the newer fans today don't seem that interested in historical matches.

Shot reverse shot is done with a single camera. You shoot the dialogue from one side then move the camera to the reverse shot set-up and shoot the other person's dialogue. What you're suggesting would require the wrestlers to do multiple takes where they'd need to produce as close to the same performance as possible for continuity purposes, which would be even more demanding for non-actors. The two shot set-up they commonly use saves time and money and they can put it in the "can" so to speak as soon as they get a usable take. If you started using shot reverse shot it would look too much like a movie or television drama. It would be kind of weird.

I don't know about global warming denial, but having lived through a major nuclear disaster I can tell you I will never take activists at their word ever again. Holy non sequitur, Batman! I was referring to climate change deniers and the implication that climate change denial is somehow wrong.

I don't know about global warming denial, but having lived through a major nuclear disaster I can tell you I will never take activists at their word ever again.

Thought I'd start a thread for one of the most unique workers in the history of professional wrestling, Alan Kilby. Kilby, to my knowledge, is the only deaf wrestler to have ever worked in a major promotion. He was actually deaf-mute, though I believe the deaf community no longer approve of this term. In Kilby's day, they referred to him as "the deaf and dumb star, Alan Kilby." For the most part, his deafness was treated with respect. Walton never failed to mention it and there was a series of explanations he would go through from Kilby lip reading the referee's instructions, to having a corner man who could sign for him, and Kilby not being able to hear the bell and apologising for failing to release a hold. Occasionally, heel opponents would taunt him, but more so because he was a tremendously popular babyface and not because he was deaf. I can't remember too many overt taunts over his hearing, but heels loved to rile him up. In the far flung future, if a DVDVR Europe set is released, I expect Kilby to be popular. He was a fantastic worker (one of the best to debut in the 80s) and an even better babyface. His selling was excellent and he excelled at playing the fired up babyface. Whether it was because of his perceived disability I'm not sure, but he wouldn't take shit from anyone, which often led to some tremendously heated bouts. He was a mid to light-heavyweight, who wrestled the likes of King Ben, Dave Finlay, Chic Cullen and Rocky Moran in his own weight class. I'll add some reviews of those matches in due course.

I was confused because people were making out like Keith wrote it but he'd have no idea who Antifaz del Norte is. I was at one point a pretty major Dandy fan, but I think if I were to look at him critically I'd say that his work prior to '88 is pretty green compared to the Dandy we know from '89-90. That '89-90 period is truly outstanding. After 1990, his output is sporadic. That was partially because of CMLL's booking style, which tended to have cooling off periods, and because of the exodus to AAA which left CMLL pretty thin on quality workers, but mostly it was because of Dandy's physical decline. He had a nice little period around '96-97 where he contributed well to trios, but after 1990 I'd say he has pockets of good work here and there. I'm often critical of Santo, Panther and Casas, but they've been far more consistent. Dandy in recent times is one of the more awful veterans. In '89-90, you could make a case a strong case for Dandy being the best wrestler in the world but there were a number of workers in Mexico who more than rubbed shoulders with Dandy at the time. It was a bumper crop of talent. Dandy got the push at that time for his weight class but there were a lot of guys who were equally good. We're also limited by TV. Who knows what was happening live.

Check out: Sangre Chicana vs. Perro Aguayo, 2/28/86 Espanto Jr. vs. El Hijo Del Santo, 8/31/86 Trio Fantasia v. Thundercats, (Masks vs. Masks), 12/8/91 Pirata Morgan vs. Dandy, El Faraon and Masakre are worth watching. Satanico vs. Pirata Morgan is a thing of beauty. Check out Santo vs. Parka if you like masks turning crimson.

"I bet you wouldn't say that if I offered you a million dollars" could solve a lot of arguments on this site.

Terry Rudge vs. Tiger Dalibar Singh (8/19/87) Highlights tacked onto the end of the show. Match looked like the usual Singh/Rudge bout. Terry Rudge vs. Ray Steele (6/10/87) It's kind of fun dipping into this original broadcast stuff as you're never sure what you'll get. In this case, they aired the entire bout as a preliminary contest before the freak show stuff. Rudge was a beast in Germany in '87 and finally got to show his wares on British TV. I was a little surprised by how good this was as Steele can be a buzz killer at times, but he pit his skills against Rudge for the full six rounds and this was about as good as he could wrestle. Steele was one of the most ordinary looking blokes in the entire run of wrestling on British TV. He looked how most people's grandfather must have looked when they were young -- short back and sides with a part, ears protruding. Funnily enough, for a territory that was built on the strength of some over-the-top television gimmicks, the heavyweights were often distinguishable by the colour of their trunks and little else. I'm not fond of the way Walton put Rudge over late into the TV run. Rudge played a sort of a tweener role and would throw the occasional inside shot, or in this case slap Steele to provoke him, and Walton would put it over in a really tired way, rehashing the same lines he'd used for dozens of tough guy workers over the years. It would've been nice if Walton had put him over with the same vigour as he put over Marino, but I guess that's over-estimating Rudge's station. Nevertheless, Terry carried Steele to a good, solid match with some great, original looking holds and this ended up being quite the gem for Rudge enthusiasts. Terry Rudge vs. Ray Steele (3/4/86) Finish only. Apparently, this was the only time Rudge was on TV in '86. Travesty. Terry Rudge vs. Len Hurst (10/31/85) This was another gem. It would be easy to overlook a match like this as Hurst wasn't an overly outstanding competitor, but this was another opportunity for Rudge to go long. The first few rounds, in particular, were quality rounds with Hurst more than a match for Rudge's guile. The bout petered out a bit as the draw began to loom, but all in all it would slot into the best of Rudge quite easily.

How old is Dave now?

Terry Rudge vs. Suni War Cloud (Hamburg 9/20/87) Suni War Cloud is the least interesting opponent I've seen Rudge face. There's been guys who have had successful Native American gimmicks in Europe, but Suni War Cloud wasn't one of them. Rudge is a great worker, but he couldn't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear on this particular night.

I haven't watched the Dandy/Azteca match in several years, so I'm not sure what he rolls out that is "shoot style" per se. If he just does armbars or what not, any number of luchadores could have picked that up on New Japan tours. Personally, I'm not sure why it would matter if Dandy incorporated shoot style aspects into his matches and it certainly hasn't had a long term influence on lucha libre.

If it's a troll then perhaps we can turn this thread into a Dandy thread. Did he really incorporate shoot style into lucha? Is he really the greatest singles match worker of all-time? Were his mat skills several leagues ahead of anyone else at the time? Was he the best at trios? Did he have durable workrate? Is his post-prime stuff any good? Was Santo turning heel the greatest angle and feud ever? All worthwhile questions.

I'm still confused over who wrote this. Is it a parody or was it sent to Keith by someone? What does "I'm honored that Dave and Bryan were also CC'd on this one" mean?

Bret's El Dandy crack was a great line so I have no problem with it being ironic. I'd also expect this corner of the Internet to have about as much interest or knowledge in Dandy as they do Naoki Sano or anybody else from the yearbooks. Keith is a relic like Angelfire or Tripod. More pertinent were how weak the pimping points were. I don't know who wrote that but it's not exactly balanced.

The rap with Kane sucked, but the ninja thing was all right due to them trying not to crack up and Regal calling Hornswoggle a grubby little swine. Danielson's line at the end was pretty good. But if I were a fan, I'd want him to do better shit than this.

She's certainly not in it for the money as a) she doesn't need any and she's writing cheques out of her own pocket, but distribution companies are most certainly in it for the money and if she wants to continue to be a successful producer and not just a financial backer then she's going to need to be smarter at the business side of things. She's quite an inexperienced producer and really the only difference between her and every other hopeful is that she's a film buff with a two billion dollar inheritance. I didn't know P.T.A had gone to Warner Bros. Evidently, he cares about money. Apparently, he's quite the carnie and might have pulled one over Ellison a bit, to make this wrestling related.

Yeah, she's going to fund him again as she's clearly setting her company up as one that funds directors like Anderson, as opposed to her brother who is commercially driven, but she got burnt on The Master and from all accounts has learnt from it. It doesn't sound like she has aspirations to be a money mark (or "dumb money" as they call it in Hollywood.) It seems like she wants to be legitimately successful. From what I can tell, Ellison is a mark for P.T.A, but The Master was expected to do better than it did and it wasn't entirely the case of Ellison being altruistic. Last Temptation ended up breaking even, but the studio went to great lengths to try to make money from it. They took out full page ads in newspapers to try to combat the negative attention the film drew and as I said they had the theatre release deal in place. Anyway, we better can the movie talk.

It does matter because it's not the norm and she's paying for it out of her own pocket which is not the way that production companies usually operate. Obviously, she bankrolled Anderson based on his artistic merits but there's no way an ordinary producer would have been able to scrape together that much money and a studio wouldn't have bitten on that type of film. She's a special case and even then they had to have been disappointed in the box office return, though I believe Zero Dark Thirty made back the money they lost on The Master. EDIT: Case in point, she was having trouble funding films until she got her inheritance from dad. And a quick scan of the movie rags reveals that The Master's box office performance was a bone of contention with Weinstein. Seems like she wants to be a player and will learn from her experience on The Master.

She's the daughter of one of the richest men in the world and wants to make art house films. There's one line of thinking that she invested too much money in Anderson's film and that indie films will suffer as a result. By and large, a studio wants its money back even on a project like Anderson's and will budget accordingly, so if Ellison is to continue working in Hollywood she'll need to start producing mainstream fare to cover the losses that her art films make.

It was a bit more complicated than that. Scorsese's agent was a long time colleague of the head of MCA. MCA had bought close to half of Cineplex Odeon Corporation, who MCA convinced to become equal equity partners in Last Temptation. That guaranteed that it would be shown in theatres, which was the big reason why Gulf+Western canned it in the first place. Despite backing the project, MCA slashed the budget and shooting schedule. Their real intention with Last Temptation was to lock Scorsese into a picture deal since Colour of Money had been successful at the box office.

I think he went to Calgary in '81 then returned to the UK in '82 and '83 the way that Dynamite Kid would sometimes reappear. These are the matches from after his move: Young David vs. Dave Finlay (Hemel Hempstead, 13/3/1982) Young David vs. Pete Roberts (Bolton, 17/4/1982) Young David vs. Bernie Wright (Leamington Spa, 19/2/1983)

Young David is a teenage Davey Boy Smith. We have footage of him from '78 through to '83. John Quinn had a fun run as a loud mouth Yank, though he was actually Canadian. He was unceremoniously jobbed to the fat man, but it was a good run all the same. He cut promos before his matches, which was rare in the WoS format, and was so over he turned Pat Roach face, and Roach had been somewhere near the top of the tree of rule breakers. He ended up jumping to All-Star with one of the belts, if I remember right. I ignored Daddy, Haystacks and the rest. I don't mind Kendo Nagasaki, but Daddy isn't something I seek out. He did have a really good technical match with John Elijah, though, which surprised me. If he'd worked like that more often he could have been as good as Otto Wanz.

Jerry, I've watched a few matches from Belgium, Germany and Austria. Overrated is worse than average in my view, though I suppose if I were to redistribute those names they would fall between decent and average. Saint and Rocco were capable of excellent matches against top opposition and occasionally they carried a lesser, inexperienced worker to something good, but I don't think they were excellent in and of themselves. The other guys are hurt by not living up to their reputations. Wright is just flat out average in nearly all his matches.