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thanks. I'll add these folks at my list to sample.

Oh for sure, I see a lot of people will have him high. Any NJPW people to watch?

No NJPW watched, but a bunch of AEW. No way to Omega, he bores the shit out of me.

Just based on what I've watched so far it's Syuri and Utami ahead of everyone. However, I will do a huge amount of watching to really find out.

The next Maybe Not Taue will be me doing my top 25 list for 2021. The year is almost over, who do you have as the greatest wrestler of 2021?

Maybe Not Taue: ROH & 1997 ft. Matt Feuerstein Steven Graham is back with the second Maybe Not Taue podcast, the official podcast of the Greatest Wrestler Ever project. On this episode, Steven is joined by Matt Feuerstein (of thROH the Years) to discuss ROH's impact on wrestling and GWE. Steven also gives his top 25 wrestlers of 1997 and answers your questions. Feedback: [email protected] Twitter: twitter.com/ProjectGwe or twitter.com/StevenGrahamTWS Join the Discord: t.co/0pOARzaXHD?amp=1 Greatest Match Ever: gweproject.freeforums.net/ Stream episode Maybe Not Taue: ROH & 1997 ft. Matt Feuerstein by The PWOM Podcast Network podcast | Listen online for free on SoundCloud

Join the discord and the watch parties! Watching wrestling with friends is the best way.

It's the Lex Luger Watch Party this Saturday (December 4th). I think the myth he sucked has died, but I hope we keep dispelling it regardless.

How smart he was really surprised me. His offense is very focused on working a body part and the creativity of counters is amazing.

For sure, I'll post it on the weekend when I gather up Tim and mine.

Tim and Steven are back for the 74th Pro-Wrestling Super Show. Six years ago we made top 100 greatest wrestling match lists and now we are back with brand new lists! https://soundcloud.com/prowrestlingonly/pwss74

I am still working on my list, but.. I started thinking Bret Hart was the easy choice, but damn the more you watch of El Hijo del Santo from that year the more you are blown away. It's also the year of the NJPW Jrs being fucking awesome! Scott Norton has been a HUGE amazing surprise. Every match in NJPW has him being great, and the little WCW stuff is pretty fun too.

On the Maybe Not Taue podcast I am going through each year and figuring out my top 25 list in order to make my GWE list much easier. I will be recording my 1997 list within the next week or so. Who are the greatest wrestlers of 1997 for you? Who is an under the wire person you want to give some praise. I think a little thread discussing each year and debating them could be fun over time. We'll start with 1997 for now.

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CurtainJerker said: " Want to diversity your ballot this time, whether it be race, gender, or style? Kia Stevens is someone who was left off nominations previously. She played the monster heel exceptionally well, and had amazing power moves and awesome top rope spots. Believable, threatening aura. She went all out with total action and could have satisfying complete matches in 10 minutes. Had 800 recorded matches. Japanese cred, in demand in U.S., but never had a successful WWE/AEW run which hurt her recognition. If you are looking at non-joshi women to think about Kong actually is an excellent worker compared to the 2000s WWE's pre-Revolution roster, not to mention the 1990s divas. She ignited the TNA Knockouts division with Gail Kim. Kong was hardcore and took sick bumps, had a great spinning backfist and powerbomb, didn't no sell, and was more agile than the nostalgic 1980s male hosses who racked up votes last time. Worked intergender matches, had babyface runs, and exciting three ways. If you were running a league in the 2000s, who would be better to top the women's division as a heel, champion, and then turn babyface?" Amazing Kong vs. Aja Kong (4/30/2004) A warzone featuring the original and the new version Amazing Kong vs MsChif 4/7/2007 Sickest backbreaker you will ever see, really showcases how dominating Kong is but is also willing to sell. I dare say this fun match would rank in the top 1% of modern day WWE, NXT, and AEW women's matches. Amazing Kong vs Azumi Hyuga 8/26/2007 20-minute epic video game battle/legalized attempted murder. I broke down crying after Azumi got busted open. Awesome Kong vs. Gail Kim 1/10/2008 Sub-10-minute TV match that will leave your jaw dropped [You can watch any Kim vs Kong match BTW, since they perfected Monster vs Underdog] Awesome Kong vs. ODB (9/14/2008) Sick table highspots in a quick 10 minute match with a tough brawler

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kas said: " Her strong babyface energy makes her easy to root for, but she can believably snap and be more heelish when the situation calls for it. She's an amazing tag worker - with a particularly stellar tag run with Arisa Nakajima - she's consistently good to great in singles matches, even when working with rookies, and she is really great at elevating her opponents. Offensively she can be a little clunky and slow, but her strong striking along with her creativity more than make up for it - she has this one move which I can only describe as a body scissors hurricanrana roll-up which I had to replay about 10 times the first time I saw it just to understand what just happened. Definitely a contender for best ace in the modern era." Matches Vs Arisa Nakajima 12/13/2017 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buTS2SlebE8 (entrances start at 1:02:45) Vs Maya Yukihi 08/03/2019 - https://www.bilibili.com/s/video/BV1x7411k73E w/Arisa Nakajima vs Nanae Takahashi and Emi Sakura 05/04/2016 - https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1F54y1b73s/

kas said: "Lack of footage hurts her but in every match I see from her I come away thinking she was the stand-out performer. She's probably the best offensive wrestler in the world today, with good mat-work, great striking, a varied moveset, and excellent execution (she's a contender for best superkick ever). She's great at changing up her moveset to fit the situation, sometimes going strike heavy and other times emphasising her size and power advantage with big power moves. She's also incredibly selfless and generous, often giving her opponents enough time to shine and bumping big to get them over." Matches w/Sareee and Nanae Takahashi vs Maria, Mei Hoshizuki, and Mikoto Shindo 07/22/2019 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viV75EHK_JI vs ASUKA 08/19/2018 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fKIurblUj0&t=1272s vs Mayu Iwatani 02/08/2020 - https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV147411F78Z/

NotJayTabb said: "May seem an odd choice on the surface of it, but he's got a near 20 years career at this point, and he's been good for the vast majority of it. Probably tied with Kingston for the best Chikara graduate, he's an interesting case where we've pretty much got his whole career on tape, especially in his formative years and he just gets wrestling very quickly. He has good matches with the likes of Mr ZERO in his first year, and managed to get a rare good match from Joey Janela in 2019, with plenty of good stuff in between. Good tag worker, reliable singles wrestler, and still one of those names that interests me when he'll pop up on a random indy card. Not saying he'll make my list, but he's definitely due consideration" vs Mr ZERO (International Invasion of the International Invaders 2003) vs Eddie Kingston (Anniversario? 2007) vs Joey Janela (Chikarasaurus Rex 2019)

El-P said: "Because she spent most of her career in TNA, she's one of the most overlooked great worker of the last 20 years. In 2007 TNA made her their first woman champion, and she had a bunch of great matches against Awesome Kong, which were basically the first time women's pro-wrestling was taken and treated seriously in the US in decades. That was the real women's revolution, if you will. Gail Kim is great at everything she does. She's an *incredible* bumper, a quality that is less talked about now that most pro-wrestler do much more big athletic stuff, but Gail still is striking in how she would bump in really brutal and explosive ways (without looking like she would kill herself like Sasha Banks). She can take a beating like no one else and at the same time showcase that attitude of always fighting back. Great seller. But she's also a great bitchy heel with tons of details in her game in term of character work, hell, she's probably a better heel actually even though her most famous matches were as a babyface. She can make a spectacle of a match if necessary against a super green worker, as showed by the Taryn Terell match at Slammiversary, and basically always made everyone around her look better than they were. I'm not done with exploring her second TNA stint yet (in which the context was much less favorable as the first one, at least for a while), but to me she was clearly a great worker whom, transferred into current WWE or AEW, is right up there with the best women. Her last match at 41 years old in 2018 against Tessa Blanchard showed that she was still excellent by this point." Gail Kim vs Awesome Kong (12/02/07 - TNA) Gail Kim vs Awesome Kong (01/06/08 - TNA) Gail Kim vs Taryn Terrell (06/02/13- TNA) Gail Kim vs Tessa Blanchard (04/28/2019 - IMPACT)

El-P said: " *in-ring only* people. She's apparently nuclear, but people still enjoy the work of people who are without a shadow of a doubt, terrible human beings. One of a kind pro-wrestler. She would outwork any woman in WWE, AEW or IMPACT (if she went back). Unmatched intensity, great as a babyface as showed by her feud against Sami Callihan (two MOTYC in a row for the promotion) and oh yeah, she is the first woman who actually won a man's world title and made it work. Great heel also, and not just IRL. Awesome at pretty much every aspect of the game (offense, selling, bumping, she can do it all), has the presence of a star, works like one. Probably won't ever reach her potential in the business because of her rep. One of the greatest "in limbo" workers ever ? " Tessa Blanchard vs Gail Kim (04/28/2019 - IMPACT) Tessa Blanchard vs Sami Callihan (07/07/2019 - IMPACT) Tessa Blanchard vs Sami Callihan (01/12/2020 - IMPACT)

What I more meant was not given the opportunity to have great matches, not that he didn't show his great skill. He clearly showed that he was awesome, just that it wasn't coming out in great matches due to his booking/opponents. Hansen same kind of boat. You are right, there may be some bias there. I'll re-evaluate that. Thank you!

Thank you! I tried to fix it, but it was in the recording and couldn't. Turns out recording through skype makes things sound better than recording directly through audacity. I'll try to fix it for next time.

I have started a new process, doing it on the Maybe Not Taue podcast. I'm going to rank the top 25 wrestlers of each year, as far back as I can until 2025. Then use a weighted system to form my initial master list. Obviously intangibles will affect things after that, but that will be my starting point.

I answered some of these questions on the first episode! Will answer more on future ones, but keep them coming!