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It bumps Terry down from 1 to somewhere in top 5.

I feel like it was Poffo or SD Jones or someone like that. Can't recall now. Like I said above, it's not purely that. All of his matches are filled with things that make no sense to me.

If he stopped the bomb throwing with no selling, then yes. I can't get over the piledriver on the floor as a normal spot in a match. That spot basically never hit. It is Harley taking a backdrop 99% of the time. I believe I've watched every match of Harley's on tape up to 1983. He did it in the WWF against a JTTS. Seems like a good reason to disqualify him from your list. If any wrestler thinks a piledriver on the floor should be treated like a bodyslam in the ring than they are wrestling morons. That's not the only reason though. Harley wrestles matches in ways that make me always ask questions. When I am constantly thinking to myself that "this made no sense" or "why would you do that" then I don't see how you are a great wrestler.

It feels odd that someone could be thinking of rating Christian very highly but have Matt Hardy on the bubble. They feel very lateral to me as far as their careers and abilities. If I was doing a singles ballot I'd probably have Matt Hardy over Christian to be honest. I have Christian comfortably over Hardy. I think he is a much better babyface work. Really his ECW run is all-time great as a face.

If he stopped the bomb throwing with no selling, then yes. I can't get over the piledriver on the floor as a normal spot in a match. That spot basically never hit. It is Harley taking a backdrop 99% of the time. I believe I've watched every match of Harley's on tape up to 1983. He did it in the WWF against a JTTS.

The forum says it prevents it, and you do have to enter a name. Not sure if it does it by IP address or if it's an honour system. If someone is making up fake names and changing their IP addresses to vote more than once, then I don't know what to say.

Sarcasm is fun. I do understand that the journey is more the point of this project than the end result. I probably won't end up submitting a list now, especially since some people seem to be dismissing lists submitted by non-pwo regulars before they see them. But the process has been valuable to me already since I discovered that I absolutely love World of Sport. Dylan, Charles, and I have all said we want ballots. If you enjoyed the process at all, we would love to see your ballot. We've got 15 singles ballots in already. With 11 different people voted in the number one slot, including one number 1 vote for a guy that nobody discussed as even a top 20 guy. All ballots are worthwhile.

That's exactly how I feel.

Yeah, filling out the ballot takes time.

People still debate Gretzky vs Orr, stats are there.

I really really do hate watching Inoki, like he fucking sucks, but can anyone really look in the mirror and say he wasn't "great"? This is a serious question at the heart of this. I don't think Inoki was great. He was super charismatic and a good draw and well protected by booking. When in the right setting could pull off a really good match. I don't see how he is great in the ring. Okay, but being put in those positions over a 20+ year period he had a lot of very good and some even great matches. And you say "yeah, but great matches isn't a metric I care about". It's excatly the thing that says "I prefer watching Big Bossman and so I think Big Bossman is better than Inoki" that I see as making the list much more of a crap shoot and "favourites list". I understand this is not a popular view. But it is exactly my issue with the process as it transpired. Like I've kept saying, it is what it is. But the more things go towards that the more crapshoot-y things become to me. Just telling it like I see it. I think there is a big difference between listing categories and saying Inoki is better in this one, Bossman in this one, and someone saying Bossman was great at this stuff that I value more importantly. That is not picking favourites, that is just people using different criteria. "Stuff that I value" feels pretty favourite-y to me. or stuff I value is the criteria someone thinks is important for being great. Replace "stuff I value" with "stuff that is important for someone to be great".

If he stopped the bomb throwing with no selling, then yes. I can't get over the piledriver on the floor as a normal spot in a match.

I really really do hate watching Inoki, like he fucking sucks, but can anyone really look in the mirror and say he wasn't "great"? This is a serious question at the heart of this. I don't think Inoki was great. He was super charismatic and a good draw and well protected by booking. When in the right setting could pull off a really good match. I don't see how he is great in the ring. Okay, but being put in those positions over a 20+ year period he had a lot of very good and some even great matches. And you say "yeah, but great matches isn't a metric I care about". It's excatly the thing that says "I prefer watching Big Bossman and so I think Big Bossman is better than Inoki" that I see as making the list much more of a crap shoot and "favourites list". I understand this is not a popular view. But it is exactly my issue with the process as it transpired. Like I've kept saying, it is what it is. But the more things go towards that the more crapshoot-y things become to me. Just telling it like I see it. I think there is a big difference between listing categories and saying Inoki is better in this one, Bossman in this one, and someone saying Bossman was great at this stuff that I value more importantly. That is not picking favourites, that is just people using different criteria.

We did do stats at the front of the ballot about if you participated during the 2006 vote, when you started watching, and what type of wrestling you considered for the list. Those will be easy to calculate. The other things like podcast hosts and stuff will be interesting too.

I really really do hate watching Inoki, like he fucking sucks, but can anyone really look in the mirror and say he wasn't "great"? This is a serious question at the heart of this. I don't think Inoki was great. He was super charismatic and a good draw and well protected by booking. When in the right setting could pull off a really good match. I don't see how he is great in the ring.

I'm putting Flair in the top 15, and I don't like Flair. Although I do enjoy watching his matches, so it's not like Dylan and Jumbo. I can't think of a wrestler I hate watching that I will be ranking. Although I can't think of a wrestler that is great that I hate watching.

It's not a list of favourites at all. I'm not putting Bret, Muraco in my top 3. There might be a rare person doing favourites, but people are trying to list the greatest ever. Our bias' are affecting rankings, of course, but that can't be help for any list ever.

Part of me enjoys old man Regal more than prime Regal.

The build to Roadblock in Toronto continues. What are they going to do to load up the card to make Steven a happy kid in attendance?

Just to let you know it's not abandoned. GWE has just taken over my free time. New show will be posted after WrestleMania with the reveal of what the four fingers mean.

I think post death is fair. Lots of great Tenryu, Kawada and Mutoh to come. Plus I like the Jamal run and today is pretty good with Akiyama as the star.

Is anyone else putting Waltman on the list? He's easily on mine anywhere from 50-90. He's just an amazing babyface with great offense, selling and hope spots. Add to that he was a great slimy heel too with some subtle offense changes to get that over. He had great tag and singles matches. You think the peak is short, but it was 5 years at minimum. Lots of good stuff post peak (96) too. His X-Pac run is really under rated, especially carrying a team with Kane.

Ok. I just want to get Waltman higher on more ballots than mine.

I'd include some modern action from time to time. Generally not your cup of tea but if you can stomach a random modern WWE or NJ match it could be fun. Parv wants to keep the name, so AJ focused. 1) Steven's Pick 2) Parv's Pick 3) Going forward (AJ & NOAH) 4) AJW Steven & Parv's pick will be AJ, NOAH or AJW.. or the rare Kawada in NJPW match. That's my vote. Lots of room for modern AJPW.

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