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So, this is the second podcast that involved me that I actually listened to myself (the Thanksgiving Special was the first). What became clear to me is that we need a wrap up to the show. Whether it be some awards or what have you. We can't rank the main guys every episode. Suggestions? What do you guys want to hear?

http://placetobenation.com/pro-wrestling-super-show-ecw-living-dangerously-98/ Host: Steven Graham Guests: Marc Clair & Glenn Butler On this episode we continue down the extreme path and look at ECW Living Dangerously ’98. We get to see a match so extreme that it almost gets ECW kicked off of PPV. Not to mention a match we need to watch before we die in Bam Bam Bigelow vs Taz. Join us as we open up the Extreme Vault!

For a period when they were doing the shitty stuff, yes. I came back to the WWF in 2000, after Russo was gone.

For WWE you have regular MSG, Boston Gardens, Spectrum and Maple Leaf Gardens to look at. The problem is, they often repeat matches move for move from one show to the other. However, sometimes, they were completely different programs.

I feel like slapping myself for defending him but quite a few attitude era guys have given russo credit for helping with their characters. His wcw run was a stain on wrestling but i was a massive ovw fan at the time (use to get the tapes shipped) and greg gagne killed it dead. He helped some characters, but also produced the worst TV in the history of wrestling. Even if you discount WCW, his TNA stuff is hideous. Not to mention that for all the money '99 WWF made, it is unbearable to watch. I still believe most people with that talent would had done better. Greg Gagne killed a small development territory, Russo produced the worst wrestling ever in WCW and TNA and some of the worst ever for the WWF. It's a no contest. If you don't think its Russo, then you need to go re-watch stuff because its almost unbelievably bad. From fake shoots, to him winning the world title, to miscarriages and incest, to VKM to fat oily guy, etc...

Russo, easily. No argument. Any success he had was Rock/Austin/McMahon related. A monkey could book those guys and make money.

I'm going to call Chad my back up in this series. When I disagree with Parv, Chad always comes to the rescue to defend me!

That's certainly a part of it. I have a few 2015 viewing goals. 1) GWE viewing 2) 1997 yearbook 3) 80's Project 4) Minis 5) Current That's getting to be quite a bit.

I posted the facebook link, so feel free to play along at home. I am glad you enjoy the show, it's a lot of fun going through this stuff with Parv.

Here is the youtube playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLwyfqDYR6j9lSMnWCUlyA2_DyFwnVRmU2 Here is the link to PTBN: http://placetobenation.com/all-japan-excite-series-3/

It was a win-win for both. Cabana got the big scoop, Punk got his story out and didn't have to deal with some annoying interviewer. They both knew what they were doing.

Hennig vs Hansen from AWA (May 31, 86) is the best short match in history. I think he'll make it for his baby face work. AWA, Portland and I like Hennig 92-93 WWF.

He just doesn't work, he's financially set for life.

Same with Toronto, if your belt buckle can get through customs.

Great post and something I had never thought about before. The heel/face dynamic may be dated. I'm not advocating the shitty Vince Russo shades of grey bullshit as a replacement though. Maybe most people are faces and there are few heels. That could work out well, of course eliminate the heel authority figure too!

Forever. How often did we see Jack Tunney on TV? How often does Gary Bettman or other sports GM's show up? It should be once or twice a year to make an announcement. Why can't a championship committee just make the matches without appearing on TV. The other aspect of that is I HATE when they book the show on the fly (ie the show starts without a main event). It's so insulting to the viewing and incredibly stupid.

I daydream a lot and a month ago I was thinking about this topic. How could someone compete. Here is the idea for a new company I had. It's based off tours, something like 12 shows in 3 weeks than take 2-3 weeks off. You own or rent a tour bus (model after music tours) rent hotels, give food vouchers etc... 3 of these shows are taped in higher quality and edited together for your weekly "TV" show. Another one is your live "PPV" show. The rest are all taped, maybe not at same quality, but taped. If you can get a TV deal you air your TV shows there and do these other things online. If you can't you set up your online/platform streaming service. You can subscribe to get every show for some value or you can pick and choose shows for certain values. Say.. It's 9.99 a month for everything or you can get the iPPV for 9.99 and the other taped shows for 1.99 and the TV is free on that service. TV is not live to air, it's like ECW's where you can show things from the past, music videos, etc.. Even show some footage from the smaller shows in lesser quality. You have a base set of talent and the rest of the folks needed to round out the shows are local guys from where you are touring. Diverse talent too. You need women, minis, puro, lucha, european, black, white, fat, muscle, techniciains, brawlers, etc.... You have an online champion where every title defense is put up online, not only on your platform but on youtuibe/dailymotion, etc... Should be up the next morning, like every show that is on demand. That's all I can think of.

He certainly used the claim he was losing money to renege on Bret Hart's 20 year deal one year into it.

Oh, I also want to apologize to all of the awesome people I couldn't get on the special. People like Kelly, Brad, Dave, Dylan, Johnny, Rich, Scott, and I am probably missing some that we couldn't just find time. Although, there will be a Christmas Special coming in December!

Awesome! Lots of fun discussions and lots of PWO plugs.

Like I said, you can argue Bret is more talented, although Flair had better results and that can't be denied. I have to agree, I believe that Bret, os a better in-ring technically, however, Flair tells a better story. Flair is a better talker. I do see one fly in the ointment, if it were. You say Bret had not a lot to work with in WWF(as him on top), Flair in Crockett, had as much shit to carry(dusty, nikita, road warriors,etc). I believe that Flair has had more top level matches, I lived more Bret as a kid, and lean toward Bret.(personal choice) Flair had shit too, but Flair had Windham, Steamboat, Luger, Magnum, RIcky Morton, etc.. to work as champ. Bret had Shawn, Austin, Kid... not much else, maybe Taker.

Like I said, you can argue Bret is more talented, although Flair had better results and that can't be denied.

We aren't pitching babyfaces, Parv.

That is really your take away from this? WWE employed a doctor who ignored his staph infection and then fired him on his wedding day and you are painting Punk the bad guy? You really think he didn't want to put Shield and Bryan over too? He clearly stated he wanted to work with The Shield and Bryan in that very interview. A few weeks ago people were claiming you were nothing but a troll and your WWE bias was there. I didn't believe that, because I like to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. I guess I was wrong, because you are clearly nothing but a troll with a WWE bias due to your interviews. EDIT: Shit, not even the bad guy but a sociopath. All credibility is gone, sorry.

Any chance that doctor gets fired, because that's insane.