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Warrior inspires us all.
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This match more than made up for the Beware of Dog fiasco and was just a step below the Bulldog/Bret matches for me. Bulldog's dive was awkward and he had a few other shaky moments but he also had some great moments of athleticism and I really enjoyed seeing the powerslam to the outside that sets Bulldog up for offense. Shawn again does a great babyface comeback and picks up a victory that feels well earned. Portions of the post match felt a little out of control with some people out of position but it did a good job setting up the main event of International Incident. ***1/2
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Decent enough storyline driven match to put Austin over. He seemed courageous himself to come back after getting all busted up in the Mero match and return. Jake does well in getting him over and Jake overall was a selfless worker. *1/2 The promo afterwards is infamous but it is really good and the cutting edge tone that WWF really had to have to at least counteract all of the interesting stuff happening in WCW right now. Austin probably would have become Austin without this moment but it is a great place to point to as the genesis of one of the biggest draws of all time.
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I noticed the Bushwhackers cameo too and popped for it. PIllman's promo felt unhinged but more scatterbrained than a loose cannon than it should have been.
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Ahmed was over but man does it feel a little disappointing with what has happened to Goldust in a few months. He was a character with such uniqueness and it feels like we are foregoing that at this junction for the next muscled up fanboy from Vince.
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Fun finish and a decent looking match that really worked to put Mankind over as a serious threat.
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I may be the low vote as some of the awkwardness of Mero being slightly out of position took it out for me. Austin did have a great gameplan targeting the back and felt really calculated and cold during this match. It was a nice feat for him to hand the Wildman his first loss. I still enjoyed this and the time given but it wasn't as good this watch as I remembered it being. ***
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Yeah it is under the Place to Be Podcast feed. Am I the only one who finds having two feeds confusing? Yeah it is under the Place to Be Podcast feed. Am I the only one who finds having two feeds confusing? It would either be this or not near enough content as one feed wouldn't have the storage. -
Love seeing tamura in there Tim
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Memories from the video rental store
soup23 replied to Cross Face Chicken Wing's topic in Pro Wrestling
My go to was a local mom and pop video store called Greene's Video. They had pretty much everything WWF/WCW tucked away in a separate section along with the adult section. They did a 5 for $5 deal that I was able to share with my brother and load up on stuff. In addition, i still miss the Kroger carrying videos and I would use that and Movie Gallery if Greene's didn't have what I was in the mood for renting. -
I think this is definitely 98 and a lot has to do with presentation but I think Booker held his own. He has the Superbrawl double shot and also the GAB double shot that really got him over in a "hardest working man in the company" type of way. I think the Saturn match from Superbrawl is a good look for Booker as that was as entertaining as anything else Saturn did in WCW minus the Fall Brawl 98 Raven match and maybe the Goldberg Spring Stampede match. I also think his King Booker run is underrated as he was competent there. I guess I like Booker more than the consensus of comments here but I still don't see him having a chance at my top 100.
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Fantastic effort all around. The top five lists was interesting and a good way for each host to bring their own wrestling viewpoint without it becomming confrontational. Savage I think would have helped benefit WWF more than he would have hindered WCW if he hadn't left. Putting house show business aside, the Flair feud in 96 has been disappointing for me on rewatch. I think the Savage vs. DDP feud is still great but I'm not sure if DDP couldn't have also gotten over if someone else higher up like Nash/Hall(if sober) would have been in the same role. Match quality could dip a bit but I feel lower on that series in-ring than most. Savage in 99 is awful and should have been retired for sure. It is understated just because how much BAD there is in WCW at the time but I think it is right up there with Hogan vs. Dungeon of Doom for wrestlecrap. Good deep dive on Tenta, he has become quite the favorite of a lot of the PWO/PTBN contingent. Instead of the swear job we may have to institute a "Will references Memphis" jar.
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Good for them continuing with the ropes in the shape they were in but man are these matches hard for me to watch. This may have been the best of the series but that isn't saying much at all. **1/4
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Cool pop for Gordy and a shockingly fun smoke and mirrors type match that felt more true to form than the Savage vs. Flair match from Nitro. It also didn't overstay its welcome. The finish dramatic stuff was whatever but effective. **1/2
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Good match for sure. Douglas coming out feels like a pivotal moment in retrospect with what happens in the history of ECW. Jericho looked good feeding into Pitbull's power spots. **3/4
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Good progression here with Lawler and Dundee fighting fire with fire with another masked gimmick. This results in the eventual unmasking and a big time backstage brawl around the studio. This feud has lasted for a while now and remained effective.
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This match was a complete mess for me and went on FOREVER. There was so much going on but no overarching story, lacking execution, and moves just for a moves standpoint. Extremely disappointing since I tend to really enjoy all four of these women at different points. **1/2
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Good edition of Pulp Fiction. D-Von especially got to show off some of his personality.
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Gene announces the main event. This seems like a good spot by him but something in the delivery didn't quite carry the gravity that they hoped. Maybe it was just an off crowd, but this wasn't the slam dunk everything else in this angle has been up to this point.
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Will be the low vote on this as some of the outside brawling was fun I guess with the food and stuff, but it didn't really get over the hate and violence this feud has had and felt like two old guys going out and relying on way too many tricks considering their skill level. **1/4
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Misawa vs. Kawada vs. Kobashi vs. Taue - Comparing the Four Corners
soup23 replied to benjaminkicks's topic in The Microscope
The thing that challenges me with Taue is that while I love all his series with the other pillars and stalwarts in All Japan 1990's, they pale in comparison to the other series IMO. Taue vs. Misawa would be a landmark feud for almost any worker. One ***** all time classic match, other **** matches throughout, hardly any stinkers. Still I take Misawa/Kobashi and Misawa/Kawada over it as they reached that tip top level multiple times. Taue vs. Kawada was a fun, violent feud in 1991 that does bring something to the table. When they revisited that match throughout the years, it was always intense and struck me as something different. Taue vs. Kawada against Kobashi vs. Kawada is a close comparison but I am really on board with thinking that the 1995 draw, 1996 draw, and 10/93 match is close to everything that Kawada vs. Taue did with the possible exception of the 95 Carny match. Even with that match, I still don't think it is as good as 6/12/98 so I will give Kawada vs. Kobashi the slight nod. Taue vs. Hansen never got much of a showcase and the one that comes to mind is the ribs Carny 94 match. This is miles away from the top matches that Hansen had with Kawada and Kobashi and a decent comparison to the disappointing Hansen vs. Misawa series. Taue vs. Doc from Carny 96 is great. Better than 7/94 Doc vs Misawa, Carny final 94 vs. Kawada, or 8/93 vs. Kobashi. I tend to think not. Taue has this awesome little moments sprinkled throughout the 2000's like the match vs. Nagata. Kobashi has the top matches of the 2000's, Kawada and Misawa have the singles matches early in their career vs. Jumbo. All of that is to say that Taue was a super worker that does present a unique flavor to his matches that may be more aesthetically appeasing on the onset, but he still strikes me as the clear #4 in this argument. -
Don't see this one at all. Essentially the NAO of ECW with a longer stretch run. The angles and entrance is debatable on the entertainment and overness, the matches are not and I can honestly say I have probably been more impressed with more Ultimate Warrior in ring performances than Sandman.
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Misawa vs. Kawada vs. Kobashi vs. Taue - Comparing the Four Corners
soup23 replied to benjaminkicks's topic in The Microscope
Man I love Taue and wrote around 8k words last year on why he deserves to be in the WON HOF on a candiacy that is largely based on quality work. That being said my order is as follows: MIsawa (#1 candidate and guaranteed top 3) Kobashi (outside shot at #1 and guaranteed top 10) Kawada (Top 10 candidate) Taue (possible top 25 pick) Kobashi seems to be taking a beating in this thread compared to the others so I wanted to focus on him. Any huge candidacy for him hinges on the NOAH run but for the vast majority of it, I love it. I have the 12/2000 Akiyama match high, 2003-2004 is littered with great stuff including classics vs. Misawa, Honda, Taue, Takayama, Ogawa, and Akiyama. I need to take a closer look at the 2005 stuff vs. Sasaki, Tenryu and Joe matches but I know I was high on them when I watched 5-6 years ago. Even his 2008 farewell tour vs. K-Office matches was entertaining. Essentially, I think Kobashi is a Jumbo level candidate with the same amount of longevity. Kobashi took 2001 off and 2006 but between that we have essentially his career from 1989-2009 which covers a twenty year span. In 1989, he was already in MOTYC as the 7/15/89 match indicates. His appearances in 1990-1991 have had him starting to put things together on his own but certainly not bad as a #3 on Misawa's group and being a compelling prospect underdog. 1992-1993 is where he really shines first in the tag team with Kikuchi where he turns in his first ***** match and performance in the 5/25/92 tag and then 1993 is where he broke the doors down and has a legit claim at being top in the world in a loaded year. 1994 showed him continue to develop in his role with Misawa and have great matches when asked upon as a singles star. Ditto 1995/1996. In 1997, with both Misawa and Kawada faltering a bit, Kobashi shot above them. He had by far the best match with Hase out of all three and really pushed Misawa to limits that I don't think even the Kawada feud reached. 1998 is where the branches of Kobashi really start to stray. I know some dislike this portion of Kobashi but he is neck and neck with Tamura for my WOTY for 1998 and would have to be #1 for having 3 of my top 5 matches of the year. All three matches (vs. Kawada 6/12/98, vs. Akiyama 7/24/98, vs. Misawa 10/31/98) are wrestled differently. Ditto another great outing vs. Taue in September. He is still high end in 1999 with the great Burning matches, vs Vader in the Champ final. 2000 has the Omori Carny final. I think for Kobashi to be rated this low, you essentially have to discount everything 1998 onward. I think his comp from 1990-1999 vs. Kawada is interesting as I struggle to see how Kawada comes out ahead unless you vastly prefer the Misawa vs. Kawada feud and the Jumbo vs. Kawada matches. -
Video package was great. Action here wasn't too bad either and we get Bossman lifting the briefcase and screwing Austin. Awesome celebration by the McMahons after winning.
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We cut to a perfect JR line about a LAZ A BOY. Crowd is dead and Billy wins with a fameasser from the middle rope after X-Pac called him a motherfucker.